Only one staff member has given an opinion so far. Tbh, even what I'm discussing with Joe is mostly repetitive stuff, so unless he's gonna bring something new, I seriously believe the reply I just gave to the debate should be the last one so the staff members don't waste any more time reading trough yap and just decide what they agree with
I am quite literally quoting his words
And I have told you already I am not. I am not concerned with how he came to the conclusion that it was quincies. What I and the OP are talking about is the specific statement about how ONLY quincies are capable of erasing hollows from existence
I never claimed Mayuri was not replying to his question. That is also irrelevant to my point. You are ignoring that he says “They are the only ones” in reference to what he says right before. Am I crazy for looking at the statement of “To be able to erase the very existence of hollows they are the only ones” and being able to derive the meaning of “they are the only ones able to erase the very existence of hollows”? You do understand dislocated clauses, right?
There is no context I am ignoring that would change the meaning of Mayuri’s statement. Him responding to a question or the amount of hollows being erased is not something that has to do with what I am talking about. Mayuri does not mention those factors in his statement about quincies being the only ones.
Yeah, that’s why I said technically
That wasn’t really my line of thought there. I wasn’t saying “If haien is ee, then why don’t soul reapers use it on hollows often?” My point there was that if haien exists as ee and is something multiple soul reapers have, then that would make a statement like saying quincies are the only ones able to erase hollows from existence contradictory.
Looking at the punctuation and using machine translation (though it isn’t always accurate) the translation in the OP aligned more with the original manga than the one you provided. Either way, both translations imply the same thing.
What? Do you know what you were replying to here? I asked how you questioning how Mayuri came to his conclusion is relevant to the thread because no other argument in this thread really even cares about that.
How does it nullify the relevant arguments? The relevant arguments are based on the statement he says and not the conclusion he comes to from it.
You still haven’t explained how it’s fallacious btw. I am not purposely ignoring anything you are saying. You are the only one questioning how Mayuri came to his conclusion. Nobody else in this thread is questioning that, and it’s pretty irrelevant to the current arguments because of that.
I am taking Mayuri’s statement about them being the only ones, and applying that to the previous line he was referencing with it.
Mayuri does not directly and only reply to Akon’s statement with “They are the only ones” what you are doing here is what you are accusing me of doing, ignoring the context of the statement. Now apply that “They are the only ones” statement to the context of what Mayuri said right before that.
You keep saying that, but that is what Mayuri attributes “They are the only ones” directly to.
Where are you getting that they weren’t sure about the identity of the culprit? They only question anything about the culprit because quincies were thought to be almost all extinct. The erasing of the hollows was also happening incredibly fast.
Can you get a translation helper to translate that? No official translation of my knowledge translates that as erase, and wasn’t it already argued previously in this thread that Mayuri only killed them?
Only footprints being left behind really don’t add any further justification for them being erased. We don’t knkw how they were killed or even if they were killed on that spot.
Can you prove that claim that the other captains didn’t know what he meant by destruction? And he later further clarifies by saying their souls were extinguished.
To extinguish their souls would though would be. As that’s what quincies do and that’s what leads to a soul imbalance.
I’ll respond to both of these at the same time. If the erasure or destruction or whatever was not a clue then why would it even be mentioned in the first place? Both times right before Mayuri refers to quincies in reference to the hollow erasure he specifically mentions erasure.
Not true. You say the ability to erase hollows is a different story but that is what he specifically mentions before saying that “they are the only ones”
Yeah, I never disregarded that. But he never mentions any other clues besides the ability to erase hollows when he explains to Akon why quincies are the only ones.
Which both follow the same context in this scenario. Mayuri’s statement is just phrased a little bit differently.
I’m pretty sure that is an official translation, and other translations have the exact same implications.
I can look at the anime myself. I have even directly quoted it multiple times in this thread.
I never do.
By that logic it makes no sense for him to even mention hollows at all.
I was referring to the scene with Akon
With the only clue he accentuates is the ability to erase hollows from existence.
And these attack do not have a strong enough case for being ee. That is the whole problem.
Then why would he even mention the ability to erase hollows from existence? According to you it isn’t a clue
That’s what I am telling you in all of my replies
“ Plus the wording is, like for Zanka no Tachi: East, not necessarily indicative of Existence Erasure either, as someone "disappearing without a trace" is super vague.”
But it still does not really contribute to your argument at all.
We are currently debating about whether it is ee or not, yes? So that means you cannot use the basis of, “it’s ee” within your arguments here, because that is what you are arguing for in the first place.
But how does it support any of your current arguments?
I don’t need to. Not only is db irrelevant to this thread, but I never stated that ee can’t leave anything behind.
Okay then, can you re-explain how orihime’s healing points towards haien being ee?And I literally told you to read the 3rd page of this thread again… I refuted all that
Do you know what scans you are referring to here? You were said aizen mentioned ee when talking about orihime’s abilities.Now I wonder if you actually read those scans. Last line before we return to the current situation in Muken.
That’s because they cannot definitively say any character has a hado they have not used. But it would be illogical to say that tosen is the only one capable of using haien.
You know what an appeal to possibility is, correct? Stating something is a possibility is not an appeal to possibility. I am arguing against you stating that there was nothing left of grimmjow’s arm in the manga without sufficient proof.
Yeah? That’s what I said.
It looks like to me that they are just moving away from the pov
Can you provide sufficient proof that anime only additions would be considered canon in this scenario by the rules? And you have yet to prove that there is nothing left of it in the anime.
Yeah, I am arguing that you can’t argue that there wasn’t anything left behind without sufficient proof.
Your claim that there was nothing left behind would also need sufficient proof.
That is a false dilemma. I am arguing that you need proof before you can claim there was nothing left of grimmjows arm in the manga
I am not concerned with the amount of hollows or timeframe. Nothing in my argument relies on that.
I know.
You didn’t break that parallel at all. Shinigami still primarily and have it as their job to purify hollows. Quincies still primarily and have it as their job to erase hollows
I know. This really doesn’t address the point I made at all though. He uses being removed from the soul cycle and erased from existence interchangeably
So then why argue about the amount of people who can use it then?
It wouldn’t. Ichibe uses his concept manipulation of black to give him the ability to use ee. That would not classify the ee for being any higher level.
I never stated people are able to use any kido a number lower than what they’ve been shown to use.
You didn’t really even respond to the point about Mayuri’s statementWhy do you think I told you to read page 3 again? Saqphire replied with what you just linked, then I answered with this, to which he answered with this, to which I replied with this, which he didn't refute. This is basically the same situation here only that you keep ignoring what I say and keep insisting on your interpretation without providing any proof for why it's valid. Instead, you keep asking me to prove negatives
You’re the one who claimed there was nothing left. That is not a claim you can make without proof. Otherwise, you could just claim any offscreen attack is ee by claiming there was absolutely nothing left.
Did you miss the part about different versions of the same feat? And ad hominem, you seem to like using those.
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I never said those were fire type kido
That’s what the list above was for
Haien isn’t a fire type hado. You even prove this yourself. But this is still a testament to the supposed effectiveness under your viewpoint
The exact number of people doesn’t really matter to my argument but the fact there is a number at all
There are a few others I think I missed also.
One has in approval. A few others have interacted with the thread but have not voted for whatever reason. That’s why I earlier asked for some of the mods’ input
I could say the same thing. Neither of us have really brought anything new for the past few responses
You quoted them in one sentence, unlike how he actually said them.
And I am telling you he doesn't state that
Again, he's saying they are the only ones in refference to akon's question, not to one clue
You do commit the mistake of assuming 2 different sentences are one.
Well yeah, because he doesn't mean what you try to argue he means to begin with
Because they are right infront of him? And once again
I asked you for a member of gotei13. The fact an ex member of gotei 13 was only ever shown to use it after he left gotei 13 combined with the fact no member of gotei13 was shown to do that although a select few should be able to implies that:
There's no such statement though
I tried mtl too and this was the result: "Isn't it decided? Being able to erase voids(hollows*)… It must be them!" Basically the what the anime says.
Pretty sure I already explained that: My argument is that the very interpretation of mayuri’s statement which represents the main argument in the op is wrong and I show a better interpretation which doesn't go all the way to contradict 10 canon statements and narrative implications.
The statement he says is that the quincy are the culprit, not that only they can erase hollows, that's what I kept saying for quite a while.
Ima just quote wikipedia: "Logic chopping fallacy (nit-picking, trivial objections) – Focusing on trivial details of an argument, rather than the main point of the argumentation"
Again, the main arg of the thread is the interpretation of mayuri’s words in the op
I already explained why erasing hollows isn't a clue specific enough to mean it can only be the quincy though. Not to mention that even the wording sounds strange when you do this. Why say in 2 separate sentences what can be said in only one? Like, he could have very well just said "Isn't it obvious? Only the quincy/they can erase hollows." or "The only ones who can erase the hollows are quincy/them." or literally any other way possible. I'm saying this interpretation is wrong because:
Why would I apply "they are the only ones!" to a clue that isn’t considered important enough to even mention when explaining to the captains the identity of the culprit?
Can you prove that?
Quincy weren't considered almost extinct, many people knew yamamoto failed to kill yhwach a thousand years ago. They may have been driven into the shadows, but even after the second quincy genocide 200 years ago people still knew yhwach was alive.
Exactly, far too short for the very few people in wotl who may know haien to do it. If anything, that's another clue mayuri had.
Actually pretty sure mtl translations are accepted as long as they are used for a single word.
Already linked ee?
The footprints thing is literally mentioned because the footprints show they were all gathered in one place and then they were erased.
Can you prove they would assume destruction means erasure? Again, extinguish≠erase.
Extinguish. Quincy erase.
I didn't say it's not a clue. In fact, I repeatedly stated it is but a mere clue. And there are many reasons for it being mentioned: such as the unnatural disappearence of a lot of hollows to be even more strange, the narrative role of greatly reducing the possible culprits(as not many people besides the quincy have ee though) and suggesting it's the quincy(based on the fact quincy do always erase hollows and no spiritually aware entity/race besides them does that), without outright saying it, hence the "them" part.
Only one time and the other time, when listing the actually important clues to people unaware of the situation in wotl, he doesn't even bother mentioning ee.
As a mere clue. And don't forget the … between the 2 sentences and the fact "They are the only ones!" Is a separate sentence.
Akon also had all the other clues right there.
The anime statement does. Op's version of the manga doesn't.
I don't know where all the versions presented here come, but it’s clear some of them aren't official and op's clearly isn't, even the word "only" is in another sentence than in the anime
As someone who read the bleach manga in like 6 versions including the official one, I can confidently say, that's not official. And they do not have the exact same implications as you can see.
Then you know the lines. However, for whoever reads this, just in case:
How does it make no sense?
Ik, just decided to say again what the actually important clues are. Yeah, these last replies are just repetitive stuff.
Already explained the narrative role of this clue. I don’t deny the narrative portrayal of the quincy eeasing souls.
I never said it's not a clue.
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We already discussed the wording for soi fon's:
It literally does? It shows shinigami have ee which is a direct debunk to your interpretation of mayuri’s words
Almost correct. We are discussing the interpretations of mayuri’s words. Unlike your interpretation of mayuri’s words, luppi's statement is 100% canon and not contradicted by anything except your interpretation of mayuri’s statement. Manga>guidebook in terms of canonicity via the wiki's rules. Not to mention there's another guidebook statement supporting the manga statement, making it extremely solid. Facts>interpretations which should already be a debunk to your interpretation.
It directly debunks your interpretation of mayuri’s words.
Finally adressing that arg. I agree on this part. Now, it's up to you to support the ashes guidebook statement with a manga statement or feat. Because so far, manga statement>guidebook statement with nothing backing it up and random interpretation(debunked by the character himself btw) of a character's words. Not to mention the manga statement is also supported by another guidebook statement and a narrative implication.
Orihime's powers are stated to be beyond spatial and temporal regression, being straight up event rejection, not mere healing. And while the temporal regression is more debateable and it depends on the form it takes, spatial regression can't bring back what was erased. Had it been merely atomisation or any lower form of destruction than ee, those particles could have been pulled back with spatial regression. The only case where it doesn't matter is pure ee as nothing is left behind to be regrouped as grimmjow's arm.
No? I never claimed that. Following up through the direct chain of quotes, you can see I tell you you need to read the scans again then. The scans. Nothing specifically about orihime. This was about the cfyow part.
So you can't say that either, case closed. At best, you may get a "likely" rating.
Yes, I did say I believe he likely learnt it from aizen considering he's the only one using it but no shino academy student besides him ever used it.
Never said it is? I said that if you argue for it just because it's a possibility, then that's appeal to possibility.
You're aware you're replying to your mayuri possibly not knowing about ichibe's mausoleum, right?
Ok
Their movement maintains the same direction and while in a 3d movement they may be getting away from the pov, we can also see they move in around the same direction as the other blood drops as fast as the others, with slight differences based on the amoujt of blood in each drop.
It's not an anime addition, just the anime showing the full erasure process, which is confirmed to have happened in the manga and in the guidebook
You literally have the scene recorder, you can see it's gone.
1. That's a negative, the BoP would be on the affirmative.
Why? Also, I have all the proof needed.
How so?
Proof that I have brought
But part of my argument does and you are the one arguing against my args
Then?
I meant the parallel the op is trying to draw. I don’t say shinigami don't usually focus on purifying holows. I just say the way it's presented seems pretty restrictive towards shinigami's other methods of killing hollows, which is what I break.
No? He uses being erased by a quincy as a removal from the soul cycle. Bot simply being erased.
Because it's too few to be them which is another clue that leads towards the quincy.
It's still ee via conceptual manipulation at the very least. Which, again, is far more op than simple mere, even if we assume both of them only erase the same aspects. Like saying thay because you can resist normal power nullification, you can also resist conceptual power nullification.
Yet you're trying to argue there are such people.
I've been responding to your repetitive points about it for quite a while
The proof lies within the canon statements and the arm being fully shown to disappear with no debunk to them
No? Without statements you can't just claim ee in the first place. And right now, via this comparition, you are directly arguing it's offscreen
It's not a different version? Both the manga and the anime support the erasure and show nothing left from it and it is completely normal for the anime to have more frames than the manga.
I don't especially like it, and I am not attacking you instead of your args. This is merely me stating my impression, unrelated to the arguments, to which I fully reply
Ok, a hado higher in the number than danku may have bypassed it had it not been aizen the one using it. How does that mean haien can bypass it?
Fair, I thought you were replying to the thing right above it.
I see. There's also the nature part of their ranking. Like, if you ask me, I don't see how how hado 91 is better than kurohitsugi.
Haien is stated to be a flame. It's name also literally is abolition flame.
Your very argument against it that also uses the number of users is the interpretation of mayuri's words, which I repeatedly debunked.
Ngl, most of the debate is like this at this point
Let's hope they come, idk
Well, I did bring some scans, but yeah that's all. Tbh we should just end this now. If you reply to this one(ig you will but idk) and bring nothing new, I probably won’t reply back since I do believe I made my points pretty clear.
The anime scene is 100% usable. In fact, the anime episode aired in 2007, 3 years before the second guidebook(where the ee statement in the OP comes from) was published. The fact the anime crew knew since then that there should be nothing left of Grimmjow's arm further proves how this is actually EE and how Kubo's manga depicts Haien as EE.
And after Tosen saying he wants his konpaku destroyed, Aizen promises him that he will certainly erase him. Also Tosen asks not only for destruction, but for the destruction of the entirety of his konpaku, erasure, no trace of him remaining as Aizen wipes his existence out of the world.
, that's why he had high godly previously, but it was too vague to keep any fundamental aspect at all since it got removed.
So is it repetitive or is it new?
That’s what the ellipses are for. It’s a continuation of what he said prior. “To be capable of erasing the very existence of hollows” is not a complete thought or sentence. Separating the second part, “They are the only ones” like you do, would not make sense at all in this scenario, as the line “To be capable of erasing the very existence of hollows” is not a line that can stand on it’s own grammatically
Yeah, I know. This is what you have been doing the entire time. And what I am doing is explaining to you that he does.
Is there not a line that he says in between saying “Isn’t it obvious” and “They are the only ones”? A line that specifically ends in an ellipses? If the sequence went like “Captain, could this be” “isn’t it obvious? They are the only ones” then I would understand your viewpoint, because with this structure it is clear that by “only ones” he is referring to the previous line. But alas, Mayuri inserted a different line before “They are the only ones”, one that specifically ends with an ellipses and fits grammatically before “They are the only ones” in a sentence. “To be capable of erasing the very existence of hollows” is a sentence fragment, not a complete sentence. For it to become a full sentence, it would need something before it or something after it to complete it. It obviously can’t be before, “Isn’t it obvious to be capable of erasing the very existence of hollows” is not a complete sentence, however, what Mayuri says directly after not only completes the sentence in a way that makes sense, but aligns with the exact context of that exact same statement in the manga. So to say that the line “to be capable of erasing the very existence of hollows” is a different sentence is just blatantly false. And did you ignore my point about the dislocated clause? And under your assumption that it is a completely different sentence, what would the supposed sentence “to be capable of erasing the very existence of hollows” mean or matter in this context?
He does as I explain above. It also echoes the manga.
The hollows being erased is also right in front of him. So why would he only mention the capability to erase hollows? And having it right in front of him is still not a good enough excuse. Mayuri starts his reply by saying “Isn’t it obvious”, which now implies that his next response if he has one is going to explain why it is obvious. He then says “To be capable of erasing the very existence of hollows” as if that is the explanation as to why it is obvious. This heavily implies that the capability to erase hollows is an explanation that makes the answer obvious. If the clues Mayuri had in front of him were the most relevant clues, supposedly unlike the ability to erase hollows from existence, then why wouldn’t he say something like “Isn’t it obvious? With the amount of hollows being destroyed and it being in the world of the living… They are the only ones!” It wouldn't matter if it was in front of him. By your logic it should make more sense for him to either mention what’s in front of him, or just not mention any clues at all.
Option A doesn’t seem really implies. There are plenty of hado that are used just a single time.
Option B seems most likely. I mean you could say this same thing about multiple other hado.
There effectively is.
Mine gave a different result. But either way, both mtls, the official translation, and the anime, all point towards my interpretation. In fact, you are the only person I have seen take a different interpretation of the statement.
But what does questioning how Mayuri came to his conclusion have to do with any of that? And you still haven’t given 10 canon statements and narrative implications that support your argument.
Yeah, his statement does imply that quincies are the culprit, but just dumbing it down to that ignores what he specifically says within that statement, and completely ignores the line “to be capable of erasing the very existence of hollows”
I wasn’t even really focusing on that. I was just simply asking you to explain how it’s fallacious like you said it was. This response pretty clearly indicates that you yourself didn’t even know how it was fallacious, and just said it, I guess, just because. Wouldn’t it be simple to just state what fallacy it was?
I know, but that is not the only argument.
Then why would he mention it right after saying “Isn’t it obvious”?
Because it isn’t 2 separate sentences. That simple. The first “sentence” does not constitute as one and can not make sense as one.
He effectively did, he just used a dislocated clause.
He literally does. He says “to be capable of erasing the very existence of hollows, they are the only ones” he just adds a dramatic pause in the middle of the sentence, hence the ellipses and grammar. This sentence takes place at the beginning of the arc, the “they are the only ones” part is supposed to build suspense and hype, which is why they dislocate it and create a pause in the sentence it takes place in. I could also ask you a very similar question to the one you ask here, in fact, I do above.
You just keep saying this without listing or explaining.
No, it isn’t. I explain the wording above, including how there is no room for other interpretations.
You need to prove that.
Because that is what he says literally right before saying “they are the only ones”. And if the clue wasn’t important enough to mention, then why did he mention it there? He also did mention it to the captains, he specifically mentions souls being erased.
Yes, that is what I am doing a good chunk of each of my replies doing.
So… almost extinct then? They did not know of that many quincies being alive.
That’s not really relevant to any argument. I never said Mayuri had no other clues.
Aren’t the meaning of kanji changed by the context and other kanji around them though? And that doesn’t necessarily translate to erase either
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We don’t know that they were erased, or even on that spot.
I can actually. The kanji said by Mayuri is the exact same ones used in reference to haien as support for it being ee. 消滅. So either Mayuri meant erasure, or haien was never stated to be erasure in the first place.
How would this be a reason for it being mentioned?
But aren’t you repeatedly saying that it is not one of the necessary clues, and that he didn’t even need to mention it to the captains? If that was the case, what would be the need to mention that as if it was the main clue there?
He does. At the end. Right before saying it’s obvious that the culprits are quincies. He uses the kanji 消滅 which are the same exact ones used to justify haien being ee. So this is just blatantly false
It was one sentence. You act as if the ellipses is just a pause between two completely separate sentences, but the first “sentence” cannot possibly be it’s own stand alone sentence without any other context being added to it. “To be capable of erasing the very existence of hollows.” Is not a viable stand alone sentence. You act like ellipses aren’t used to add a pause in the middle of a sentence.
I know, and?
All of them do, as I am repeatedly explaining
The official lines up with it as well, so this really doesn’t matter.I don't know where all the versions presented here come, but it’s clear some of them aren't official and op's clearly isn't, even the word "only" is in another sentence than in the anime
The official one carries the same implications. Didn’t you provide a scan of it?
You forgot to put anything here
Because he also had that right in front of him. A radar of hollows
You only showed an anime only scene
I must’ve forgot or missed it. The problem is not that it can’t mean ee if taken hyper literally, or that it has any anti-feats, but that the wording itself is not necessarily indicative of ee. So it doesn’t have a strong case for being ee in the first place. Especially since we’ve seen that same wording be used for something you agree is not ee.
This point is pretty ridiculous. Shinigami just technically have the ability to harvest 100000 souls within a small radius to forge oken, which would erase those souls, though technically not since they became oken. And it’s a question of whether Mayuri would even know how oken’s made.
How does luppi’s statement contradict Mayuri’s?
What guidebook statement are you referring to here?
Saying “Facts>interpretations” doesn’t debunk anything. I could say the same thing
I have been proving my stance throughout this thread now. What do you think all of these replies were for?
How?
I have. Mayuri’s statement
Exactly my point
I could almost copy and paste this whole paragraph and use it in my argument. This whole thing is pretty meaningless.
Okay? So how does this mean that grimmjow’s arm was erased? You are basically trying to argue: Orihime’s healing is beyond spatial regression->spatial regression wouldn’t be able to heal ee->Orihime was able to heal grimmjow’s arm-> grimmjow’s arm must’ve been erased from existence. By that line of logic everything that orihime has ever healed was erased from existence.
What you told me to read the scans about was about your orihime point. Go back and check.
No, because it would not be ridiculous to assume that there is at least someone who is in the gotei 13 has the ability to use haien.
So then you just brought up something irrelevant? That’s like if I said, “using an argument to prove itself is circular reasoning” to one of your responses, and you said “I never used circular reasoning” for me to reply “I never claimed you did, just that using an argument to prove itself would be circular reasoning”. Like yeah, you are technically correct, but then what was the point of bringing up appeal to possibility if I was not using it? And that is also just a blatant lie. You clearly said “that’s just an appeal to possibility” and then when I ask you how, you now say that you never said it was an appeal to possibility? What’s next, are you gonna say “I never said I Never said it is, I just said “Never said it is” without clarifying WHO never said it is”?
My mistake, but you still never explained how my point about that was an appeal to possibility.
I am struggling to understand what you were talking about here.
Showing something that was not shown in the manga, aka, an addition?
This is presupposing that it was erased in the first place which is what we are currently arguing about
My bad, I meant the manga. You stated there was nothing left of it in the manga.
You would still need proof for that claim. That would not be a negative claim. Again, otherwise you could just state there was nothing left of any offscreen attack.
All of these I have countered.
No you don’t. And I already explain why above.
Because I am arguing that you can’t argue that there was nothing left without sufficient proof. That was not included in your dilemma.
Again, just saying you brought proof without actually bringing it.
Which part of your argument relies on the timeframe?
The OP is never restrictive towards shinigami’s methods of killing hollows though.
I know, but that’s not the point. The point is that he uses removal from the soul cycle and being erased interchangeably
And? I never said there were no other clues.
Ee via conceptual manipulation wouldn’t magically allow it to erase more if it still has the same level of erasure in the end.
No I am not. I am trying to argue that it is reasonable to assume that a decent amount of people has access to haien.
I could say the same thing
The canon statement is contradicted by statements on the same level and higher levels of canon than it, and the arm is only shown to fully disappear in an anime-only scene.
Saying there is absolutely nothing left is a statement, isn’t it? And no, I am not directly arguing it’s offscreen.
The manga does not show that there is nothing left.
Because one of your arguments was that haien could be blocked by danku because it blocks all hado below 89, but hado below 89 can bypass danku.
It could just be stronger, however that is not something that can apply to haien.
Then why wouldn’t it be in the 30’s?
Again, just saying you debunked it without actually debunking it
Exactly
My fellow JJK fans!?!?
What do you think of Aizen's mid godly rating that's being debated here as well
That’s fine, so you think coming to a conclusion for where Aizen’s regen should be will require its own thread rather than something we can figure out here?
Does there need to be an entirely different thread? Three mods in this thread already agreed on removing it, and I don’t think Ichibe is even currently accepted as justification for his mid-godly regen
It wasn't proposed any other value for it in the OP, nor did the OP propose its removal
I'd say so. It is possible for a value to be discussed here and agreed upon, but I believe a separate thread is better as more time can be placed within researching a new value, allowing time to craft better arguments for that position, which should result in a better and more definitive outcome. All the while decreasing the pressure to get it out quickly, as to not hold up an already long thread that should've been closed by now.
Not even half of them if we're being honest
Low godly before the mid godly blog was accepted…
Arrancars are purely Hollows, its just that with their Mask off, they attain powers SIMILAR to that of Soul Reapers. Not that they Inherently Are that of Soul Reapers.
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This is fine by me. We can remove the EE from Yamamoto, Soi Fon, and Haien for now, like the OP wanted, and save where Aizen's regen should be moved to in a thread dedicated to that (and anyone else whose abilities are affected by Aizen's regen change)
I was asking for a link for an image for the QnA... Even then, they were defeated by Soul Reapers. Who don't upset the balance at all. Only Quincies do that
Grimmjow's arm was not Erased. it was just burnt to ash.
It's on klub-outside.com which only members can get in. Soul reapers can upset the balance by purifying too many hollows sending them to soul society. They killed a lot of high level arrancars who hold millions of souls. So that should have a affect on the balance. However kubo said they don't affect it once they became arrancars which are close to that of Soul Reapers. It's also stated in unmasked that arrancar are more like soul reapers.
She was killed by rudobone before her powers fadded. Afterwards her corpse was the preserved by Szayel .Mayrui later found her corpse and Resurreccion her into zombie.
That doesn't mean you debunked my argument. You cling on to a hyperliteral statement by mayuri who is known to exaggerate at times. Even if the statement is true grimmjow is not a normal hollow to the point where he doesn't even affect the soul balance
