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So I was ready to leave the Wiki behind entirely given certain recent events. But given OTHER recent events, I might as well try to see if I can salvage parts of this verse. Let's try by starting small-ish.
So our profiles current use three infinite speed feats for our rating of infinite speed. And all three of them are suspect to varying degrees. I think that at the very least, some of them should be trimmed out of the profiles and the Infinite rating either removed entirely in favor of MFTL+ or reduced to a "possibly".
I also think that the amount of people who scales to Infinite should be cut back drastically. The current scaling is just way too generous.
These three feats are: The protagonists of Imperishable Night fly through an infinite corridor and reach the end of it. The protagonists of Undefined Fantastic Object catch up to a ship flying to the edge of an infinite realm. And the protagonists of Wily Beast and Weakest Creature fly across the infinitely wide Sanzu River. Let's go through them from most suspect to least.
Palanquin Ship Feat
The least valid speed feat is definitively the Undefined Fantastic Object feat. It involves the Palanquin Ship flying to Hokkai, a specific location within Makai. Makai being an infinitely large alternate realm. Now I don't dispute the fact that the protagonists caught up to it, that much is obvious. I also do not dispute Makai being infinite in size, the statement is straightforward enough and infinite realms are not rare in Touhou. What I do dispute is the idea that the ship had to travel an infinite distance to reach Hokkai.
This scan above is the only really important one of the bunch, as it contains the crux of the argument. It describes Hokkai as "a corner of the infinite area of Makai". This is being interpreted to mean that Hokkai is at the very end of Makai and thus that the Palanquin Ship had to travel an infinite distance to reach it. But both of these are wrong, I think. The obvious issue is that we have no reasons to assume that the Palanquin Ship entered Makai near the center of it, or even infinitely far away from Hokkai. It's not clear how the Palanquin Ship travelled to Makai, but given how this is another dimension entirely, it didn't simply sail to it normally. Since their goal was to get to Hokkai, they really had no reasons to enter the realm in an area infinitely far away from their target.
But the very notion that Hokkai has to be at the edge of Makai is flawed too. It's described as being in a corner of Makai, but I don't think it has to means literally in one of the absolute corner of the place. First off because infinite places don't really have corners. But secondly, it can also easily be used to describe a random closed place in a greater area. Like, if you say that someone lives in a random corner of a city, you wouldn't necessarily think that they live at the very edge of the city. Just that they live in a small secluded spot of it. And I think that interpretation makes a lot more sense, given how this was a hiding place for Byakuren to be sealed at.
So for this speed feat to be infinite, you'd need to do two big assumptions in a row. The assumption that the Palanquin Ship entered Makai infinitely far away from Hokkai (no reasons to assume that, it would go against the goals of the characters piloting it) and that "in a corner of Makai" means at the edge of an infinite plane (no reasons to assume that, the other assumption makes more sense for multiple reasons). So really this should not have been accepted at all and should definitively be removed.
Infinite Corridor Feat
The next feat is somewhat more valid and harder to debunk. But I still don't think it is valid. This is the infinite corridor feat in Imperishable Night. In this game, if the protagonists chose the bad ending choice, they will be lead to an unnaturally long corridor. Eventually this corridor will end and they will find themselves in outer space, near the Fake Moon set up by Eirin. This was a trap set up by Eirin in order to distract the protagonists. This corridor is stated to be endless and eternal in this game, and later games describe the same corridor as being composed out of infinite bits of space-time stitched together to make an infinite trap.
Now once again I will not debate this corridor being infinite. This seems rather explicit with the scans from Miko provided. But what I will debate is that the corridor is always infinite and thus that the version the protagonists travelled through in Imperishable Night was in fact infinite. I think the most obvious argument here is that, no. The corridor is visually and logically not infinite. Not only does it end (endless things don't tend to just end), but it ends in space. A finite distance away from Earth and not even having reached the Moon. In fact check out these two scans:
After this infinite corridor, the protagonists explicitly end up in-between the fake Moon and the Earth. This situation is even explicitly described as the Earth being essentially sealed away. In general, Eirin's plan was to stop Moon people from reaching Earth and vice-versa. I don't have to tell you that the distance between the Moon and Earth isn't infinite, and that you can't keep going infinitely in a sealed up space forever unless you curve around. And if this was a curved path the protagonists wouldn't have reached the end even with Infinite speed. So this corridor in this specific scenario being infinite in length wouldn't work. I also don't think that the alternate explanation of "the corridor just looped space infinitely" works either, since the protagonists definitively did move some distance by the end of the corridor. And given what I'll say soon, this bit of the protagonists moving away from Eientei was definitively intentional.
Now even if I say this, this doesn't prevent the statements that exist from existing. And the above could be just ignored as silly fiction inconsistencies if the statements are that explicit. But I do think that we do in fact have good reasons to think that the corridor was not meant to be infinite, even by its creators. Eirin's plan with the corridor was explicitly to lead the protagonists astray. To lead them towards the Fake Moon and away from the true Moon. Eirin says this rather explicitly. The corridor in this instance was explicitly meant to be used to lead the protagonists to this specific place. And so I believe that the corridor "ending" was not the protagonists reaching the end of it. Rather, it was simply the spell being cancelled once the protagonists were put where Eirin wanted them to be.
To further drive the point home that this is the accurate interpretation, the idea that every protagonist and major character can outdo an infinite corridor trap like this with raw speed makes little to no sense. The fact that Eirin and Kaguya even bother putting this up as a defense shows that it's actually effective in its intended purpose, and not something easily defeated. Eirin also shows no surprise whatsoever when the protagonists reached its end. This was not "Oh no, the protagonists are fast enough to outdo my trap!". This was "my trap successfully lead them away from their goal". And the trap did in fact work on Miko, a character who easily should scale to such levels. She only defeated it with her space-absorbing powers. Not through raw speed.
At the end of the day, this corridor was only flown through in a time where the corridor had the specific purpose of bringing the protagonists towards the fake Moon. In other situations, it's treated as a good defense mechanism or defeated in other ways. So while the idea of Kaguya and Eirin stopping the corridor at some point is speculative, the idea that this infinite corridor only led the protagonists into Earth orbit AND that everyone can easily fly through this corridor despite it being treated as a useful way to defend against intruders is even more speculative. In this context, infinite speed protagonists just breaks the narrative entirely and makes no sense with what we're shown. So this feat should not be used.
Sanzu River Feat
Finally, we have the third feat. This feat involves the protagonists of Wily Beast and Weakest Creature flying over the Sanzu river and reaching Higan at the other side. The Sanzu river is a river noted for its variable length. It can easily reach infinite lengths when the ferry isn't paid, and it was stated that the length of the river is infinite for still-living humans, which our protagonists are (mostly, ignore Youmu). This feat is a lot harder to debunk and I almost considered just allowing it. But thinking it through further, it has its own fair share of inconsistencies.
Now the Sanzu river having the potential to be infinite is not something I'd argue against. Once again, we have rather explicit statements of such multiple times. There are also many statements of the river holding infinite water, but I'll be ignoring those because the volume of water doesn't have to go to the width. These are just supporting statements for its potentially infinite length.
The calculations by Ran Yakumo are the most precise details we have over this width. It's still not very detailed, but basically: the less the ferry of the river is paid, the closer the width of the river reaches infinite. So presumably, if the ferry wasn't paid at all, the width would be infinite. It's also said that the pay of the ferry isn't calculated using regular money. What is considered "wealth" in the other world isn't specified and seems to include a ton of equations that involve the histories of the dead soul. So in the end, the length can only be truly calculated by an advanced intelligence like Ran herself, and in practice the width of the river is impossible to calculate for normal humans.
Komachi's statement is more direct. Upon Marisa trying to cross the river to reach Higan, she is told that the width of the river is infinite for the living. This might seem enough to determine the feat in the later game to be infinite. But there are some issues here. Most notably, the protagonists aren't alone when they cross the Sanzu River. They're all possessed by an animal spirit. The plot of that game revolves around these spirit, who escaped from Hell and explicitly crossed the Sanzu River. Now that means that either every spirit has Infinite speed (which would be ridiculous, since that basically means that anyone can cross the Sanzu river via raw speed) or that the animal spirits get the Sanzu river width reduction effect, like the deads do. While we aren't sure if being possessed by a spirit would mean that the still-living humans get a Sanzu River width reduction, I think it's a better alternative than raw Infinite speed.
To further add to the above, there is also a decent chance that Komachi's statement was exaggerated, since this was basically a pre-fight one-liner about her defending the river from being crossed... which she wouldn't need to do if the river was infinite anyway. And just, the general fact that sources like PMiSS and the inhabitants of the river itself consider that still-living people crossing the river is highly improbable. If this many people could cross it, these statements wouldn't make sense.
This feat is admitedly seemingly more valid than the other two. The other explanations are still somewhat speculative compared to the raw speed assumption. But I still think the other explanations are more likely, on top of not breaking the setting in half. It doesn't help that it'd be the ONLY infinite speed feat in the verse. And having your only speed feat in a verse being a hugely interpretable feat that CAN be explained otherwise is not great to have.
The Scaling for Infinite
A bonus thing regarding scaling, also. We scale infinite to WAY too many people, even if you want to agree with these feats. Admittedly some of it is my fault, since I was a bit too generous with scaling back in the MFTL+ days, but still. Namely, the fact that we scale Cirno (and thus basically everyone) to Infinite speed. The reasoning being that she shouldn't be behind moon rabbits like Rei'sen. Which only made sense back when people were MFTL+ for the Dream World passage feat, which includes regular fairies. But now it's just absurd and has zero actual reasoning. All fighters are scaled to that level now. Which is beyond ridiculous. Cirno should just not scale to Infinite, and instead only possibly scale to the MFTL+ speed for possibly being comparable to dream Fairies. The same goes for anyone who upscale from her. So basically every 8-B, 7-B and High 6-A. Rei'sen and thus Reisen would get to keep their speed, but since they are in an ambiguous scaling situation no one else in their tier should scale from that. Even if we were to keep Infinite, this overwhelming amount of scaling needs to go. There is no way around that.
Conclusion
So basically, all three of those feats are bad. I do not think the first one should be here at all, it is very bad. The infinite corridor one makes sense at first glance but looking at it deeper, it just falls apart. The last one could be seen as legit, but there are alternate explanations that just make more sense in general. I could do with leaving the Sanzu River feat be and making our new stats be "Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite". But if given the choice I'd much rather ax the rating entirely and go back to Massively FTL+ days.
Most of the verse should also get that speed rating removed. Only Reimu, Marisa and Youmu directly scale, so only the people who scale above them (aka 2-C people) should scale. Rei'sen and Reisen get a pass, but no one else scales to them. Especially not Cirno.
So our profiles current use three infinite speed feats for our rating of infinite speed. And all three of them are suspect to varying degrees. I think that at the very least, some of them should be trimmed out of the profiles and the Infinite rating either removed entirely in favor of MFTL+ or reduced to a "possibly".
I also think that the amount of people who scales to Infinite should be cut back drastically. The current scaling is just way too generous.
These three feats are: The protagonists of Imperishable Night fly through an infinite corridor and reach the end of it. The protagonists of Undefined Fantastic Object catch up to a ship flying to the edge of an infinite realm. And the protagonists of Wily Beast and Weakest Creature fly across the infinitely wide Sanzu River. Let's go through them from most suspect to least.
Palanquin Ship Feat
The least valid speed feat is definitively the Undefined Fantastic Object feat. It involves the Palanquin Ship flying to Hokkai, a specific location within Makai. Makai being an infinitely large alternate realm. Now I don't dispute the fact that the protagonists caught up to it, that much is obvious. I also do not dispute Makai being infinite in size, the statement is straightforward enough and infinite realms are not rare in Touhou. What I do dispute is the idea that the ship had to travel an infinite distance to reach Hokkai.
This scan above is the only really important one of the bunch, as it contains the crux of the argument. It describes Hokkai as "a corner of the infinite area of Makai". This is being interpreted to mean that Hokkai is at the very end of Makai and thus that the Palanquin Ship had to travel an infinite distance to reach it. But both of these are wrong, I think. The obvious issue is that we have no reasons to assume that the Palanquin Ship entered Makai near the center of it, or even infinitely far away from Hokkai. It's not clear how the Palanquin Ship travelled to Makai, but given how this is another dimension entirely, it didn't simply sail to it normally. Since their goal was to get to Hokkai, they really had no reasons to enter the realm in an area infinitely far away from their target.
But the very notion that Hokkai has to be at the edge of Makai is flawed too. It's described as being in a corner of Makai, but I don't think it has to means literally in one of the absolute corner of the place. First off because infinite places don't really have corners. But secondly, it can also easily be used to describe a random closed place in a greater area. Like, if you say that someone lives in a random corner of a city, you wouldn't necessarily think that they live at the very edge of the city. Just that they live in a small secluded spot of it. And I think that interpretation makes a lot more sense, given how this was a hiding place for Byakuren to be sealed at.
So for this speed feat to be infinite, you'd need to do two big assumptions in a row. The assumption that the Palanquin Ship entered Makai infinitely far away from Hokkai (no reasons to assume that, it would go against the goals of the characters piloting it) and that "in a corner of Makai" means at the edge of an infinite plane (no reasons to assume that, the other assumption makes more sense for multiple reasons). So really this should not have been accepted at all and should definitively be removed.
Infinite Corridor Feat
The next feat is somewhat more valid and harder to debunk. But I still don't think it is valid. This is the infinite corridor feat in Imperishable Night. In this game, if the protagonists chose the bad ending choice, they will be lead to an unnaturally long corridor. Eventually this corridor will end and they will find themselves in outer space, near the Fake Moon set up by Eirin. This was a trap set up by Eirin in order to distract the protagonists. This corridor is stated to be endless and eternal in this game, and later games describe the same corridor as being composed out of infinite bits of space-time stitched together to make an infinite trap.
Now once again I will not debate this corridor being infinite. This seems rather explicit with the scans from Miko provided. But what I will debate is that the corridor is always infinite and thus that the version the protagonists travelled through in Imperishable Night was in fact infinite. I think the most obvious argument here is that, no. The corridor is visually and logically not infinite. Not only does it end (endless things don't tend to just end), but it ends in space. A finite distance away from Earth and not even having reached the Moon. In fact check out these two scans:
After this infinite corridor, the protagonists explicitly end up in-between the fake Moon and the Earth. This situation is even explicitly described as the Earth being essentially sealed away. In general, Eirin's plan was to stop Moon people from reaching Earth and vice-versa. I don't have to tell you that the distance between the Moon and Earth isn't infinite, and that you can't keep going infinitely in a sealed up space forever unless you curve around. And if this was a curved path the protagonists wouldn't have reached the end even with Infinite speed. So this corridor in this specific scenario being infinite in length wouldn't work. I also don't think that the alternate explanation of "the corridor just looped space infinitely" works either, since the protagonists definitively did move some distance by the end of the corridor. And given what I'll say soon, this bit of the protagonists moving away from Eientei was definitively intentional.
Now even if I say this, this doesn't prevent the statements that exist from existing. And the above could be just ignored as silly fiction inconsistencies if the statements are that explicit. But I do think that we do in fact have good reasons to think that the corridor was not meant to be infinite, even by its creators. Eirin's plan with the corridor was explicitly to lead the protagonists astray. To lead them towards the Fake Moon and away from the true Moon. Eirin says this rather explicitly. The corridor in this instance was explicitly meant to be used to lead the protagonists to this specific place. And so I believe that the corridor "ending" was not the protagonists reaching the end of it. Rather, it was simply the spell being cancelled once the protagonists were put where Eirin wanted them to be.
To further drive the point home that this is the accurate interpretation, the idea that every protagonist and major character can outdo an infinite corridor trap like this with raw speed makes little to no sense. The fact that Eirin and Kaguya even bother putting this up as a defense shows that it's actually effective in its intended purpose, and not something easily defeated. Eirin also shows no surprise whatsoever when the protagonists reached its end. This was not "Oh no, the protagonists are fast enough to outdo my trap!". This was "my trap successfully lead them away from their goal". And the trap did in fact work on Miko, a character who easily should scale to such levels. She only defeated it with her space-absorbing powers. Not through raw speed.
At the end of the day, this corridor was only flown through in a time where the corridor had the specific purpose of bringing the protagonists towards the fake Moon. In other situations, it's treated as a good defense mechanism or defeated in other ways. So while the idea of Kaguya and Eirin stopping the corridor at some point is speculative, the idea that this infinite corridor only led the protagonists into Earth orbit AND that everyone can easily fly through this corridor despite it being treated as a useful way to defend against intruders is even more speculative. In this context, infinite speed protagonists just breaks the narrative entirely and makes no sense with what we're shown. So this feat should not be used.
Sanzu River Feat
Finally, we have the third feat. This feat involves the protagonists of Wily Beast and Weakest Creature flying over the Sanzu river and reaching Higan at the other side. The Sanzu river is a river noted for its variable length. It can easily reach infinite lengths when the ferry isn't paid, and it was stated that the length of the river is infinite for still-living humans, which our protagonists are (mostly, ignore Youmu). This feat is a lot harder to debunk and I almost considered just allowing it. But thinking it through further, it has its own fair share of inconsistencies.
Now the Sanzu river having the potential to be infinite is not something I'd argue against. Once again, we have rather explicit statements of such multiple times. There are also many statements of the river holding infinite water, but I'll be ignoring those because the volume of water doesn't have to go to the width. These are just supporting statements for its potentially infinite length.
The calculations by Ran Yakumo are the most precise details we have over this width. It's still not very detailed, but basically: the less the ferry of the river is paid, the closer the width of the river reaches infinite. So presumably, if the ferry wasn't paid at all, the width would be infinite. It's also said that the pay of the ferry isn't calculated using regular money. What is considered "wealth" in the other world isn't specified and seems to include a ton of equations that involve the histories of the dead soul. So in the end, the length can only be truly calculated by an advanced intelligence like Ran herself, and in practice the width of the river is impossible to calculate for normal humans.
Komachi's statement is more direct. Upon Marisa trying to cross the river to reach Higan, she is told that the width of the river is infinite for the living. This might seem enough to determine the feat in the later game to be infinite. But there are some issues here. Most notably, the protagonists aren't alone when they cross the Sanzu River. They're all possessed by an animal spirit. The plot of that game revolves around these spirit, who escaped from Hell and explicitly crossed the Sanzu River. Now that means that either every spirit has Infinite speed (which would be ridiculous, since that basically means that anyone can cross the Sanzu river via raw speed) or that the animal spirits get the Sanzu river width reduction effect, like the deads do. While we aren't sure if being possessed by a spirit would mean that the still-living humans get a Sanzu River width reduction, I think it's a better alternative than raw Infinite speed.
To further add to the above, there is also a decent chance that Komachi's statement was exaggerated, since this was basically a pre-fight one-liner about her defending the river from being crossed... which she wouldn't need to do if the river was infinite anyway. And just, the general fact that sources like PMiSS and the inhabitants of the river itself consider that still-living people crossing the river is highly improbable. If this many people could cross it, these statements wouldn't make sense.
This feat is admitedly seemingly more valid than the other two. The other explanations are still somewhat speculative compared to the raw speed assumption. But I still think the other explanations are more likely, on top of not breaking the setting in half. It doesn't help that it'd be the ONLY infinite speed feat in the verse. And having your only speed feat in a verse being a hugely interpretable feat that CAN be explained otherwise is not great to have.
The Scaling for Infinite
A bonus thing regarding scaling, also. We scale infinite to WAY too many people, even if you want to agree with these feats. Admittedly some of it is my fault, since I was a bit too generous with scaling back in the MFTL+ days, but still. Namely, the fact that we scale Cirno (and thus basically everyone) to Infinite speed. The reasoning being that she shouldn't be behind moon rabbits like Rei'sen. Which only made sense back when people were MFTL+ for the Dream World passage feat, which includes regular fairies. But now it's just absurd and has zero actual reasoning. All fighters are scaled to that level now. Which is beyond ridiculous. Cirno should just not scale to Infinite, and instead only possibly scale to the MFTL+ speed for possibly being comparable to dream Fairies. The same goes for anyone who upscale from her. So basically every 8-B, 7-B and High 6-A. Rei'sen and thus Reisen would get to keep their speed, but since they are in an ambiguous scaling situation no one else in their tier should scale from that. Even if we were to keep Infinite, this overwhelming amount of scaling needs to go. There is no way around that.
Conclusion
So basically, all three of those feats are bad. I do not think the first one should be here at all, it is very bad. The infinite corridor one makes sense at first glance but looking at it deeper, it just falls apart. The last one could be seen as legit, but there are alternate explanations that just make more sense in general. I could do with leaving the Sanzu River feat be and making our new stats be "Massively FTL+, possibly Infinite". But if given the choice I'd much rather ax the rating entirely and go back to Massively FTL+ days.
Most of the verse should also get that speed rating removed. Only Reimu, Marisa and Youmu directly scale, so only the people who scale above them (aka 2-C people) should scale. Rei'sen and Reisen get a pass, but no one else scales to them. Especially not Cirno.
