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The Black Fog (Yin Tian Shen Yin) vs Captain (Granblue Fantasy) - 3rd Strongest 5-A
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So there's a new thread huh. Guess I'll give a Destiny update. For Low 7-C there's a few new Destiny pages that can probably take the 4th spot. They're all smurfs to some extent and most of their stuff has layers. From what I'm seeing on the Sacred Eclipse and Cat Boy pages, each of the Destiny...
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Is there a method on how the freeze works? when coming in contact
Granblue have multiple resistance to freezing and sealing and such which some even works to conceptual level and such
also I wanna ask here
So did they attempted to use that 1-A ability or they did not cause it might drag them?
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They used it to make the seal and suppress the Black Fog's abilities.
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Copying would not work with Proto-Bahamut an identical enemy has performed similar feats such as Wardant. especially because they are powers that exist outside Providence or define Providence itself. while Wardant power also exists outside Providence he is a counteraction to Providence which makes up everything in the verse.
Absolute Zero is common in granblue so I doubt it does anything and can be overcome. As the nature of Proto-Bahamut is change and evolution even Primal beast who are immutable and supposedly unchanging and will always revert to their base physical form can be changed by the nature of the Sky-God itself or by simply being in Sky-realm which is governed by Sky-God and since Proto-Bahamut basically heralds this same power he would be able to affect it.
as for the Offensive, this one will be difficult for Captain but since all the primal beasts he summons are merely copies it shouldn't really matter much and they often are used to be in a defensive state.
I also want to contend the Absorption if it is layered and how far/how high because Absorption is also one of the key things in Granblue and if the absorber isn't strong enough to contain its power it would go berserk and outright cause self-destruction to someone attempting it as they would be rejected if they do not have the authority
btw for the context Primal Beasts are already 4D. so if this blackhole doesn't have the physical capacity to hold it let alone the authority he wouldn't be able to use it since the Profile only says he is a black hole and nothing more and being sealed by a multidimensional seal was even enough to lock him which further implies his physical limitations
then I guess he doesn't resist them
Absolute Zero is common in granblue so I doubt it does anything and can be overcome. As the nature of Proto-Bahamut is change and evolution even Primal beast who are immutable and supposedly unchanging and will always revert to their base physical form can be changed by the nature of the Sky-God itself or by simply being in Sky-realm which is governed by Sky-God and since Proto-Bahamut basically heralds this same power he would be able to affect it.
as for the Offensive, this one will be difficult for Captain but since all the primal beasts he summons are merely copies it shouldn't really matter much and they often are used to be in a defensive state.
I also want to contend the Absorption if it is layered and how far/how high because Absorption is also one of the key things in Granblue and if the absorber isn't strong enough to contain its power it would go berserk and outright cause self-destruction to someone attempting it as they would be rejected if they do not have the authority
btw for the context Primal Beasts are already 4D. so if this blackhole doesn't have the physical capacity to hold it let alone the authority he wouldn't be able to use it since the Profile only says he is a black hole and nothing more and being sealed by a multidimensional seal was even enough to lock him which further implies his physical limitations
only this one?
then I guess he doesn't resist them
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I don't see any resistance to power mimicry on the page, mind explaining why it wouldn't work?
How exactly does the ability work? Depending on what it is, Black Fog may just resist it.
But how about Captain himself? Even if they make summons, I assume if they die, the summons disappear as well.
Considering 'Steel' is the origin of all abilities, including Authority, it should be able to handle it. But how Grandblue treats authority might be different than in this verse, so clarify if you have to.
When I say suppress, I mean using all of their various 1-A Abilities to stop it from doing anything, and even then it was resisting
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Take it like Sky and Stars are dualities that cover the entirety of the verse but that ability is outside of it.
yes the copies disappear and they can be summoned again since Primal beast can make copies of itself as many times as it wants as long as the Main source or original is alive or present and all the main sources would be in their respective islands simply heeding the call or connecting to the copy that Lyria absorbed.
If Captain dies the summons will disappear but not instantly as Lyria can survive for a few moments which is the one channeling this power.
as with most things, there are Authorities within providence and Authorities outside of it.
the verse doesn't just have a singular origin for everything. so authority in Sky-realm does not mean authority in Astral realm and Authority of Astral realm are superior for being in a higher plane. The reality of Sky and Star have one origin which is the Omnipotent. But there exist powers outside of it such as Sun Realm's Phoenix, Otherworlder's corruption, and Precipien entity.
Phoenix cannot be killed by anything no matter what except the Omnipotent which is the Origin of all of Sky and Stars and has survived multiple reset of the universe before The Omnipotent first arrived to change some things.
Precipien Entity is capable of slaying the Omnipotent for no longer existing within the confines of the Omnipotent's power or Providence and are paradoxical
Otherworlders are still of unknown power but all forms of Philosophy, idea belief, and timelines of every dimension exist within them and they are also capable of actually contending with the Omnipotent except they are always rejected and closed off by it yet when they gain a direct connection via Captain they managed to absorb it(Its clone).
so in a nutshell there's no one singular source but this multiple sources are the source of many things and are capable of harming and affecting each other.
So like even if Sky-essence makes up all the rules and logic and such of Sky-realm and is the source of it. it's still secondary to the Omnipotent's power of the boundary
resisting can mean two things
like struggling from it or outright resisting it.
If he struggled and didn't work I wouldn't normally consider it as resistance at least now how We treat it in Granblue as no matter how powerless Primal beast against Astral they still have the willpower to try to resist and often they would try to make themselves self-destruct or make their powers go berserk as a way to rebel against the power so even if Astrals have full control of their programming if they make that irrelevant then they have to do a different thing to control them again.
but your mention of it risking them of being absorbed into the center implies they cannot fully utilize it completely else they would be closer to the center of the multiverse or something
you're right it doesn't exist. i guess I probably settled with Power absorption or absorption rather than power mimicry when making it
but this the guy that cannot replicate it and is even fearful of it cause it is more potent than 2 infinite size cannons that fires energy to cause nuclear fusion which is the power from where the world is created from
which lyria then calls Proto-Bahamut to bless their blade with his power
Granted the power shown here are combined but everyone's power combined minus Bahamut was only able to go equal with Wardant and are stuck in stalemate and only when Bahamut blessed them with their own power they managed to overcome that difference so the potency of Bahamut scales to it
for more information on how this unknown substance Wardant acts
He go where he please
Analyzing or observing it causes you to be consumed by it
knows your move and copies it before you even use it
can use them as he wants
the underlying principle of the cosmos
not confined to a single existence
he thinks therefore he is
even then he cannot resist Bahamut's power even if he resist everything else the gang threw at him including the power which is the origin of the World
This is my final reply for today since I had a long day so I'll read up the response tomorrow. Is speed equal btw or not?
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Alright, so there is one main method I can see for Black Fog, in character.
- It tries to kill the Captain before they can perform their summoning or moments after they do. It's extremely intelligent and should be able to figure out most of the Captain's abilities right away.
- If that fails, then it's going to run with dimensional travel, while leaving behind clusters of itself to fight, playing the long game, which it tried to do when the Nine Gods showed up. It's more than capable of fighting like this for years if it needs to, especially if it's constantly being fed energy from the clusters it left behind.
- Although it may not be able to mimic certain abilities, from Bahamut, I see no reason why it couldn't mimic Captain's, and make its clusters resistant or straight-up immune to their abilities. And their absorption should be able to handle mostly anything thrown at it, besides maybe Authority-based ones, as you mentioned.
Yes, I equalized it.
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I was busy for the past 2 days.
If his dimensional travel is going through the void the option to chase it would be possible for Protobahamut since he went and visited Beelzebub directly just to enact punishment or some sort and this is while Proto-Bahamut is still bound. Do note that this empty dimension is different from Crimson Horizon or Otherworld or the void since it is actually meant to lock someone out
and seeing Protobahamut is also the one that banished Beelzebub here he could do the same for Black Fog.
Since Speed is equalized i guess Captain's Speed ranging from sub relativistic to MFTL would be equalized to just sub relativistic. (Speed unequal captain would blitz since it is assuming the strongest form in this key which would include his MFTL+ speed)
Captain's ability at 5-A are mostly from his class masteries and such. he would only be able to learn about the other primal beast abilities if Captain summons them. and one of the Summons Captain can also spawn is Vesselago which makes copies of its enemies.
If his dimensional travel is going through the void the option to chase it would be possible for Protobahamut since he went and visited Beelzebub directly just to enact punishment or some sort and this is while Proto-Bahamut is still bound. Do note that this empty dimension is different from Crimson Horizon or Otherworld or the void since it is actually meant to lock someone out
and seeing Protobahamut is also the one that banished Beelzebub here he could do the same for Black Fog.
Since Speed is equalized i guess Captain's Speed ranging from sub relativistic to MFTL would be equalized to just sub relativistic. (Speed unequal captain would blitz since it is assuming the strongest form in this key which would include his MFTL+ speed)
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Well seeing how reliant Captain is on the summons to stay in this fight, the Black Fog will definitely be targeting the hell out of them, if it doesn't just straight-up kill them before they summon anything at all.
Again, assuming it gets summoned. Assuming Captain manages to summon Proto, then Black Fog is most definitely going to make sure to stop them from summoning anything else. Whether it does that itself, or through its clusters, either way, I don't see Captain surviving for long.
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Protobahamut is often always summoned especially against large threats seeing how massive Black Fog is. It would be considered as such.
It is their go-to summon and they can summon it in thought. they can even summon multiple at once as like they did with Crimson Knight and Golden Knight.
some summons also redirect attacks toward them or often modify them like Yggdrasil who can redirect attacks towards her, Celeste can also set up her own Fog that steals people's deaths allowing her to manipulate them or straight trap people into a place, and also said to be capable of devouring and eat out the world to become one with her in her Omega form and as Celeste steals people's death. even those without death she can kill or destroy the same way she can destroy or devour those she stole death from
Captain also have multiple methods to avoid attacks like setting up an Otherself, Mirror Image, Acrobatics, Fake Death.
5-A Key also has access to Fissionism capable of separating someone from their powers, concept, mind, soul, etc
at best it also splits someone's Sky and Star dualities which does a lot of things as the Duality of Sky/Destruction and Star/Creation encompasses anything within reality.
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Then, ya in that case the Black Fog is gunning for Captain.
Black Fog's resistance and absorption will deal with that.
Other self, isn't listed on their page from what I can see, and neither is Mirror Image. I don't know how good their Acrobatics are or if they can dodge Danmaku, and I'm not sure what you mean by Fake Death. The fissionism would end up being absorbed, as well as any attempt to affect them through dualities.
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It is actually listed just not written as any other abilities other than invulnerability (with Sidewinder as used for example)
it is treated as Invulnerability but it is actually considered Otherself which is making a substitute for your own self so you don't take any damage or afflictions etc.
some of their descriptions are further explained in their techniques section
As for the Evasive maneuver
He is capable of evading even AOE that covers the area where he would be and not take any damage or affliction at all.
That includes attacks like Colossus's Dimensional Cleave and such. only a few attacks are something he is not capable of dodging while in this state
Redirection isn't just your average redirection it is literally substituting for the character so they get affected instead before it even reaches them so much so that even AOE attacks with affliction do not affect them and only the people who substituted.
Mirror image is on the Ninja branch but that section is too long that I did not elaborate further but considered it as one of his abilities
Illusion Creation and Smoke Manipulation (Capable of dropping smokes, creating illusions[19]).
I don't see Black fog's resistance to Fissionism nor is it in any of Joshua's abilities.
the dualities it affects is the Sky-nature and the Star-nature something that has identical to most verses but not have a system that covers all of it completely so I doubt it will be resisted unless you do verse equalization. the same way we don't suddenly make old weapons from another verse suddenly have mystery to affect Servants in Fate
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Can he use it infinitely without a cooldown, or is there a downphase?
Same question as the one above.
Still doesn't really change much, since Black Fog will still end up absorbing anything redirected.
Black Fog's intelligence should allow him to see through illusions, though I guess that depends on how potent they are.
He can absorb 'Steel' which makes up all concepts, including the concept of connection and rejection.
I didn't say resisted, I said absorbed.
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Fissionism is tied to Omnipotent power. It is literally using 2 half of its power.
Furthermore, you mentioned including the concept of connection and rejection. (Kamizumi,Gaokerna,Austras,Nectar is one entity) which is
A thing in granblue as well that Nectar used which was able to affect the Six Dragons which are considered Inseparable from the world as they are the world themselves
and Omnipotent's power is able to remove its power without removing the representation's. and can easily return it as he pleases and these powers of the Six Dragons is inferior and isn't capable of affecting People who possess the power of the Boundary hence Orologia cannot just simply hax them away as she pleases despite being in control for the entirety of Sky-realm and causality that she can create alternate realities with identical concepts such as Kamizumi's concept of separation and rejection or including the very aspect of Sky and Stars into these simulations which as I mentioned earlier. inferior to the power of the Omnipotent.
TLDR
Omnipotent >= Fissionism > Sky+Stars > Laws or dualities > Concept > reality
yes he has multiple ways to do it in multiple class at multiple times
I mean yeah but it will not easily reach the captain with that
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Ya, but Concepts in Yin Tian Shen Yin scale higher than the Grandblue Cosmology, so the scaling chain shouldn't affect Black Fog's ability to just absorb it.
Well, he doesn't have infinite stamina, so he's going to end up getting hit eventually.
True, but this is going to be a war of attrition. From what I can tell, Captain has a lot of ways of surviving, but no real ways of killing Black Fog. Meaning sooner or later, Captain's going to get hit, and once he does, it's game over. And that's not even considering the fact Black Fog has a massive intelligence advantage, which would allow them to plan around, and outthink pretty much anything Captain does.
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How so?
Even the Omnipotent has a concept that the Physical Manifestation of Omnipotent has to abide by or is derived from which is its True Metaphysical form and it wasn't even included in the scaling chain I have shown you. since what I have listed are all physical reality and not the true abstractions of everything that exist superseding it
I mean Proto-bahamut is already a killing move for BlackFog since it can ignore everything that exists including the logic that even the Type 2 concept abides to which exist alongside the Physical reality. and Nuking the entire Reality and remaking it is also an option he can do. idk about Intelligence advantaged seeing how Primal Beast do not abide to traditional knowledge and one can even by sheer analytical prediction and calculation can predict countless possibilities from happening which they fought specially Proto-bahamut being nigh omniscient for being a half.
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Concepts in Yin Tian Shen Yin are 1-A, which means unless this Omnipotent Force is likely, insanely hard to interact with, Black Fog can absorb it.
Don't know what you mean.
Reality Warping, Reality Destroying, Reality Reversing, Bypassing Everything, Conceptual Manipulation, and Existence/Void Erasure, are all things Joshua or the Gods have access to, and they still couldn't kill the Black Fog, despite most of those being smurfed to hell.
As for the traditional knowledge thing, Legendary-Tier Beings are used to analyzing beings who defy common sense, reason, and logic, and can still comprehend their abilities.
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again i'm not convinced that he resisted them because he has 1-A resistance but more so these Gods are hesitant to use it on him due to the drawback for them
you even mentioned he was sealed into a multi-dimensional layer seal when we both now 1-A is no longer on the confines of traditional dimension which alludes to him actually not resistant to such degree. That's wholly inconsistent
This is the Crux and everything else has been laid out
so its up to voting at this point
so i vote via Captain utilizing Bahamut who has sheer potency and abilities to nuke his blackhole with sheer strength. you mentioned needing low 2-C sheer potency because he is a blackhole yet the durability rating only goes up to solar system level which is below even the range and potency of the weakest iteration of proto-bahamut while sealed
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The Gods used their full power in order to stop Black Fog. Add that on top of the fact he was stated to be resisting (Though on the losing end), and that it was directly stated none of them, nor the MC had a way to actually kill it, and I would say he has resistance. Either that or his abilities are smurfed, which gives him resistance anyway.
Sure.
Ok, and I vote for Black Fog since he can either freeze, or absorb anything Captain throws at him, and will win in the long run.
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