The Recap
For those who want to know the reasoning behind this topic, it's pretty simple.
A select number of DP humans (9 exactly, 6 if you discount half ghosts) scaled around Danny's level for various reasons but this was only seemingly acceptable for Tier 8, 7 and somewhat 6, but as new feats/statements appear and the ghosts get up to Tier 4 and now 2. The argument that they are weak humans starts to appear and every other argument after that falls into that category.
So because people only complained and did not make a thread about it, it led me to finishing
the blog you see in the OP, and
making a thread on the topic. As you can see if you read the thread, the core argument was that they were human and since they only had scaling feats and not tier 2 feats of their own it was deemed them scaling to ghosts was an outlier. The energy system wasn't addressed properly and the ancient human stuff was hit with a hard fallacy that was basically old humans are generally considered more powerful than current humans... that was never said in Danny Phantom but since it's a thing in other verses it somehow applies to them... So yeah, the original arguments against them scaling was poor but I accepted it because that's how it is. I made my case and the majority voted against it.
Though because these arguments seemed like a standard that isn't mentioned on our site. I
created a staff discussion thread about our human scaling standards and low and behold it's basically what you expect, it's a case by case, "humans" scaling to other beings would need proof thst they are different from our irl humans and feats need to be looked at more clearly but the argument that their just human was considered bad... so it invalidates the arguments that were brought up previously in the old thread as the core argument was that they are seen as weak humans despite feats and statements proving otherwise.
If you actually read my old thread and the blog, you'd notice that not ever human is that strong, I mentioned in them that it's used to showcase some humans are superior to others and those that do have anti-feats are hard countered by the feats they do have. I go into detail on each feat that I thought required an explanation. So if you intend to debate this topic, provide an actual argument or at least ask a question, but the argument of it's illogical for them to be that strong because they are weak humans isn't valid because in verse the humans that do scale are constantly shown comparable to ghosts in combat and possess their own superhuman feats.
Original Humans and Emotion Energy System
I'll assume people have read the blog but if not, you can read the accepted
cosmology blog I made.
The original Danny Phantom universe was a single world but the original humans went to war with each other and split reality (creating the Human World and Ghost Zone) due to the toll it had on the universe, which resulted in their souls being torn from the Earth and their energy (emotions belonged to the spirit realm). This is a tier 2 feat done by the original humans (that fought) and it's mentioned they literally had an energy system (emotions).
The current humans and universe in Danny Phantom resembles ours but there is no stated difference between the old humans and new humans since all ghosts are stated to have once been human. so physiology wise, there is no difference between a ghost like
Ember McLain or
The Seven (Danny Phantom). Current humans still become ghosts just like the past ones and it's mentioned that all ghosts mine for human emotions so even current humans have the same emotion energy that the past ones did.
You can check out the
Ghost Physiology (Danny Phantom) as it mentions how ghosts are spirits and manifestations of human emotions, with their forms being called manifestations of post human consciousness. So yes, the current humans are just like the old humans. Just because they can't fire energy beams or fly doesn't discount them possessing a supernatural energy system, it literally backs why they can be considered strong. So the old humans (that actually fought) performing a 2-A feat while fighting each other would back specific humans now being capable of reaching that level.
In Verse Scaling Context
Read the blog and you'll see how the author has no issues throwing humans up against ghosts in serious situations, most humans run in fear while others are actually shown capable of keeping up with them. Danny and several other ghosts, tanking their attacks and even out powering them. Danny after losing his energy and reverting back to his human form gets
smack by a sphinx that was comparable to his ghost form which sends him flying to the top of a pyramid yet he's unharmed, Jack Fenton brought a giant monster home and
could physically drag a giant monster into his home which is a bigger lifting strength feat than some of the ghosts have, I've shown these feats in the blog so even the writers intentionally have the humans doing this shit but as I mentioned, not all humans are this strong just like not all ghosts are comparable to each other.
When the writers, actually show us that humans physically train to fight ghosts in hand to hand combat, it's clear they don't give a damn that they are human. I have more feats that I decided to not add because it would be overkill and repetitive.
Inconsistency
Yes, inconsistencies do exist in DP like any other verse. I have never denied this but as the blog mentions, several of those inconsistencies don't apply to all humans, for example, one of the anti-feats I posted is a kid harming himself when he closes a locker on his leg by accident but this doesn't apply to others humans since we aren't scaling every human to each other. The blog is meant to show the difference between consistently strong and humans and the weak ones. An actual anti-feat for a character is how Lancer couldn't open a locked door which was a scene for laughs but had two feats that make that anti-feat invalid.
Another anti-feat that I mentioned that the humans would die if Earth got hit by the meteor which is true because it would shatter the planet into pieces but that doesn't mean the 9 strong humans that do scale will die on impact, suffocating is a thing. In the end, the humans that do scale to the strongest ghosts have more positive feats than negative. I don't ignore there anti-feats which is why they are mentioned in the blog. However, to discount a select number of humans from scaling to ghosts because people who don't scale are weaker than them isn't a good argument.
Final Thoughts
In the end it doesn't matter to me, the specific humans that do scale will scale regardless through equipment but there is still a giant hole in scaling because the Ghost Hunters can still react to ghost without amps, I had to use unsupported logic that the Fenton Peeler buffs their speed despite that never being stated. To scale humans to ghosts through equipment still has big problems but what verse doesn't.
However, I do believe there is enough evidence in the series that shows some humans are just more powerful than others, they have feats, scaling feats, statements and an energy system, they train to fight ghosts so why should we ignore this? We are literally ignoring more than half of the established feats and lore just because "they are weak humans", "they are nerds who get shoved in lockers" and "it's silly for humans to be this strong"... all of which are hard countered by in verse feats and statements.
Once again, not every human would scale to ghosts, others would only scale in durability, and only like 9 humans have scaling to the 2-A ghosts. The author shows they do not have an issue with scaling these specific humans to supernatural entities and put evidence to why they can. No one is trying to scale the entire human race to 2-A or ghosts as a whole, we've never done this, so people who just assume this are wrong.
So I am in agreement with the OP until a solid argument is brought fourth as to why a small amount of humans can't scale to ghosts despite having scaling feats, statements, an energy system, training, and proof that past humans could preform Tier 2 feat. Because if the argument is just it's silly or they are human, that's not good. However if majority don't agree with the scaling them I'm fine with that, I'd just like some good reasons.
, anyways, noted
