What? Yes a 3D telekinesis would work on any 3D character as long as said 3D characters aren't far stronger there is literally no headcanon about this and that's literally a false equivalency here as telekinesis is a hax that can be overpowered by superior AP unlike deconstruction so if your best feat was TK a normal human then clearly you need feats for being able to TK 3D beings that are much stronger than you as for deconstruction it's a hax that ignore conventional durability so we assume that it work on any 3D characters who doesn't have resistance to it simple as that.
>In this case, it is headcanon to assume that it is effective on every 3D being and that him not using it is PIS, despite there being other potential reasons.
No it's not headcanon deconstruction is a hax that ignore durability and considering no one in Ben 10 resisted this kind of hax means that what happened was either a Pis or it's out of character for Alien x to use this kind of hax so saying hax didn't work because it was only shown to be effective on humans is something that need an evidence and not headcanon and assumption since WE DO NOT ASSUME THAT HAX HAS A LIMITATION UNLESS SPECIFICALLY SHOWN
The telekinesis example was an analogy. You're also claiming that I stated that the hax wouldn't work on aliens when I didn't. All I'm saying is, that
could have been one example and you're the one that's asserting headcanon by making a positive claim without definitive evidence and using that claim to say that the entire storyline is PIS. But let's discard that example then since this has derailed too much.
AX also might not have used that move in actual combat because he was arrogant. Him using it on Max doesn't matter, even after losing his Omnitrices and seeing what the others are capable of he still went on about how he only needs his watch to beat everyone. It's fair to say that he was arrogant because of this. This is also just one example, the point is we don't have any reasons, so trying to use that to say him not using it is PIS and all of the strength feats are meaningless because of that is ridiculous.
I already talked about why Cosmic Destruction is a special case, and the treatment of Cosmic Destruction is irrelevant to this debate.
How is he completely different? Seems like he has about the same attitude, family, … also doesn’t the Reboot Omnitrix function similarly to the Omniverse one when it comes to DNA storage?
The Reboot Omnitrix has the Omni-Kix armours. This Ben also underwent a different life compared to the original version.
Yeah but that I really would consider a retcon and even within the movie itself the cosmology is inconsistent since the movie can’t even decide on the amount of Omnitrices Alien X took.
When was the movie inconsistent with the Omnitrices Alien X took?
You mean the WoG itself or that it can be used?
The WoG itself.
The entire special minus the end is Alien X moping the floor with and using haxes against or on people but not using the specific haxes that would make him insta-win.
He never needed to insta-win as far as he knew and I already talked about his flaw in my response to Blanco. It would be like saying the Frieza Saga is PIS because Frieza could have killed everyone if he used his powers properly and played it completely safe.
Mind hax is not physical.
Yeah it’s potency is 6 people for now… that doesn’t mean it suddenly won’t work on say very intelligent people. As Blanco said we don’t just randomly assume that a certain hax wouldn’t work on someone, not even in a hypothetical to explain why someone may not have done something, unless there is a valid reason for us to do so (for instance not being able to mindhax a mindless person without feats) which you have not provided because “superpowered alien” has nothing to do with a durability negating hax such as deconstruction or slicing someone into pieces.
I never assumed that though. Read what I said to Blanco.
We saw an alternate Ben face off against him and he was still comparable to Prime Reboot Ben (same AP-range). Also do you go with branching timelines or not for Reboot cosmology?
Which Ben specifically are you referring to? As for the branching timelines, I do not know. I have not watched the Reboot series fully, so I won't comment on that unless you have evidence for that.
I suppose that is fair, however since Alien Force Ben stated that he moves quicker across the Omniverse than anyone he’s ever seen, he’s clearly not playing around most of the time and thus adequately using his hax.
Why would AX moving faster across timelines than anything AF Ben seen mean that he has a habit of using his hax adequately in combat when we clearly see him not do that? Just because someone's serious doesn't mean they are competent.
Being less impressive could just be skill-wise you know.
Unlikely, Reboot Ben never showed skill in the battle up to that point (unless you call Rath's combo and Heatblast's tornado move "skill"), it only makes sense for AX to refer to pure stats. He also said "impressive" after grunting from pain when Humungosaur's shockwave tail attack hit him.
That would still hold true in my interpretation of him still having a transformation in the first place.
Unlikely. I don't want to repeat myself, but saying that his watch is more than enough would imply that having the other watches was significant enough for him to mention that in the first place. It wouldn't make sense for him to suddenly say that if he meant what you said, especially when the others don't know AX's true identity.
Because the celestialsapien DNA would have to be stronger than his Antivilgax or heck even his base form for that to work since it’s a massive amp (especially at full size), both of which contradict him getting manhandled by Four Arms.
I didn't bring up anything about his base form, I don't care if it is weaker either. What you said doesn't actually mean anything. All it means that while AntiVilgax is superior the DNA is still impressive enough to provide a boost. You could think of it as:
AntiVilgax is 6
Celestialsapien DNA is 5
Alien V is 8
This is not a literal scale or example.
Huh? When did they have different attributes? You mean the things they wear or their eye color? How does that impact their power? I mean these people were literally the same person at one point in their life so you can literally just scale them to their past self if need-be.
That was an error on my part. But either way, I don't see why Reboot Alien X would scale to Classic Alien X when the Reboot aliens listed here do not match the scaling of the classic aliens at all. The Reboot Omnitrix is also significantly different so unless there's solid evidence there's no reason to assume that the Reboot universe is an alternate timeline has 1:1 scaling.
