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Alonik

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  • Gasper
    Hi, sorry to bother you, i wanted to ask if you have a scan for Yggdrasil using emanations.
    SSJGeminiJJ
    Basically, my thoughts at the moment are to completely remove the 2-C rating of the Underworld. Curious as to your thoughts on this. My main reasoning is that the places in the Underworld simply have no evidence of being as big as universes (and there's also definitely some contention about whether or not they're even really different space-times, but for simplicity's sake, I probably won't argue about this point either way).
    Egarroyo0330
    I heard you are very knowledgeable about the Marvel Comics and was just wondering if you could explain something to me. Someone told me base Comic Thanos is outerversal due to platonism and infinite higher dimensions, is this true, or are they incorrect?
    Alonik
    Alonik
    Incorrect.
    Egarroyo0330
    Egarroyo0330
    Alright, I thought so lol, but can I have some reasoning so I can tell them why that doesn't make sense.
    Hasty12345
    For some reason the thread was closed, but I'm interested in finishing the point we were discussing if you are?
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    Hasty12345
    Hasty12345
    One thing that's interesting about Aiolia is that since Aiolos was killed, I don't actually believe he finished his Gold Saint training (pretty sure it's stated or implied somewhere Galan tried training him), so I don't think Aiolia is actually a reliable character when it comes to general statements about the Gold Saints, whihc may be neither here nor there but it is food for thought.

    So if I am to understand this correctly, are you saying (ignoring GR for a moment) that Shura should scale to the inflation feat? How I treat it is that Shura is light speed and in that one instance when he needed to go FTL to avoid Rolands precognition/analytical abilities he was able to "will" a miracle to occur, and that he doesn't in anyway normally scale to it, so I wouldn't consider it an outlier. But when we include GR, we should allow Shura's 9th sense speed to scale to that feat given 9th sense characters seems to have feats on that level?

    The Ex machina feat is definitely a weird one, how I've seen it interpreted is that Shura wanted to save Aiolia from Zeus. In the chapter before Shura mentioned that Zeus is connected to Aiolia by a karmic bond, what Ex Machina did was sever that bond (which is what Shura wanted to do) and because the karma has to do with fate, destiny, causality and all that stuff I don't really understand, when that bond was severed, Zeus was essentially unable to take over Aiolia and with his power maintaining the multi-dimensional gate (which Aiolos says something about in 118), all the summons went back to where they belong.

    But now that you mention it the Arges dialogue is also super interesting
    Alonik
    Alonik
    Yes, Aiolia continued to be trained by Galan. And if we consider the black-haired Aiolia from Episode G.A. to be the same one he continued training even more (but it is perigorous because the chronology of the universe 2 is a bit weird since Shura didn't have the dunamis he received during the G events).

    Your reasoning sounds great for Shura and the inflation feat tbf. And for the Ninth Sense question, yes, that's what I believe. But the Shura I believe should be variable rather than a standard for the 9th sense, because it has many 9th senses with different levels. Mitsumasa Kido says that to Seiya, there's even the difference between the divine power of a Primordial God and the actual Gods since they can just warp law and destroy the palaces that Seiya points out that not even the gods could. So at least the G.A's Shura for me should scale that feat, not least because Aiolos has a similar feat in MFTL+ scale. Brontes (Mitsumasa Kido), has probably infinite speed (since it's stated that number of attacks) and due to the fact that he was only outclassed by dimensional attacks higher than his.

    Now that you mention it, it would have been nice if Shura had used his causality manipulation not only on Brontes, but on Athena as well who was being consumed by the Karma at its full potential created by Arges :unsure:
    Hasty12345
    Hasty12345
    G.A Aiolia is a bit of a mystery, idk if it's possible to consider him the same as the one in G and I've come across a couple reasons for this:
    • He can change his hair colour at will, this is a pretty weak point given Shaina can change her hair colour at will as well which may indicate it's a common ability or one that can be easily learnt, but obviously G Aiolia dyes his hair red which indicates he can't change his hair colour.
    • Photon Burst is a big elephant in the room, G.A. Aiolia never uses it nor mentions having it which in and of itself isn't a huge issue but what is an issue IMO is that when Aiolos brings out all these evolved techniques, Aiolia acts like he's never seen or performed such high level multi-stage techniques, however, and I'm sure you'll remember, Photon Burst is not only a multi-stage technique (with the "universe open", "photon invoke" then finally "photon burst") but G Aiolia also has a version of Lightning Bolt where he uses photons created from photon invoke. So G Aiolia has 2 multi-stage techniques, one of them is an evolution of Lightning Bolt. G.A. Aiolia is almost completely oblivious to that fact for some reason.

    So whether we consider Shura from G aswell or some other variant might hinge on whether or not you consider Aiolia and Shura being a duo (from the same timeline), but I will say, Shura is the one who says that dunamis is the 9th sense raised to the extreme. Something he may only know if he has previous experience with dunamis in the past (which truth be told might be because he gained the memories of the G.A timeline 🤔 so it's not the biggest indicator). In chapter 66, Pontos or Prometherus (idr which one) mentions how the dunamis Shura and Aiolia received from the Titans will be lost once they leave, so either way I don't think Shura should have it in G.A regardless of where he's from.

    9th sense does vary between gods and again between humans and gods, we know from as far back as G that Pontos' dunamis wasn't weak to lightning like the Titans' were for whatever reason, maybe for the same one Kido and Steropes gave about Primordials being older or something?

    Shura having causality hax would be really cool.
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