• This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.

    For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here.
  • We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.

    Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.

    Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page.
  • Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Chariot190

Chariot190

VS Battles Retired Bronze Supporter
Day 132 of working on MGS
Joined
Messages
16,738
Reaction score
14,818

Profile posts Postings About

  • DMUA
    So, Ender Magnolia

    Obviously you're working on stuff for it, same as with Lily's page, I don't have an immense amount of free time myself to put in work, the main reason I'm making this message beyond generally wanting to connect is thinking about what even to do with the ending
    So like, with Nola's Attuner Art shattering the barrier after it's true power was realized and Lilia apparently being able to redirect the released magic to destroy the Rain of Death, the scaling is really messing with me

    On one hand it is a super attack that she needs a special item to access the full potency of, but it's also an attack she can just kinda throw out and Gilroy is fully capable of enduring that, and I don't remember the implication that it has a barrier negating property, but then again Lilac gets one shot or borderline so by Gilroy pulling out his own big sword swing

    Maybe I'm overcomplicating it I just think it's kinda funny, I guess Lilia's end of it does make it clear Lily would just be High 7-A flat out with Cleansing and the other white priestesses being in the background was probably symbolism I took too literally
    View previous comments…
    DMUA
    DMUA
    Yeah that much I know, but I don't remember if it's actual damage numbers change due to that, or from other enhancements from Relics and such

    I figure if we are scaling them it should scale to endgame Lilac in general, given they do upgrade their other homunculi throughout the game and it wouldn't make sense for them to only use one part of their entire arsenal

    Given the Blighted Lord is responsible for the rain of death in the Land's End that would support that it is in fact something their general power output can handle, by a default I figured it was more environmental destruction and Lily could barely handle that level of power through cleansing but obviously Magnolia did not see it the same way

    Are we sure that'd be speed rather than just teleporting is the other thing, but yeah
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It's speed, he flies up above screen, and then flies back down. It's fast, like 3-6 frames but he has animations for it that make it blatantly movement, though you can only really see it if he decides to do it in like the same spot, which he can, and obviously the speed lines. Plus the fact he can't exactly teleport to begin with.

    Im more concerned with combat/reactions though. Theres light speed shit, but im pretty sure theyre all hitscan so that might not even be an option. Theres both electricity and lightning shit, but it's pretty inconsistent in how long bolts and arcs take to move between frame data.

    Ill probably do them one at a time in blogs, like Lito's feat blog, Yolvan feats, general feats, whatever.
    Plus Ive already grinded everything out for the profile, lv100, maxed upgrades, maxed relics, even those ******* relic slots that ended up taking like 300k a pop to buy, recorded footage of all her shit, all the lore data, cleaned out the gallery, etc. it's just a lot of sorting and compiling (and calcs) atm.
    DMUA
    DMUA
    We do see that Homunculi can just dematerialize and reappear elsewhere, but yeah that wouldn't be applicable to their boss fight, would it

    Man I really blitzed through stuff, I don't remember anything at all that'd allude to lightspeed. Given it's all magic and thus doesn't behave very realistically I'd hazard to use it, but again I evidently haven't given a lot of scrutiny to whatever statements are made
    Lort15
    i feel like there is something wrong about heaven ascension dio's spatial manipulation scan could you check that please?
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    It aint wrong, it's just poorly elaborated.

    The corpse part warped space causing things to warp like 36km. He has that piece of the corpse.
    • Like
    Reactions: Lort15
    Anime_Facts
    Hey Chariot, sorry to bother you, but I have a few questions about Chariot Requiem that Id like to hear your thoughts on.

    I was re-reading the final arc of part 5 to create a profile of Chariot Requiem on my wikia, and I was confused by some interpretations of his ability.

    Firstly, is it safe to assume that defeating Chariot by destroying the "light" of the soul is basically suicide? I see a lot of people saying this is the case, but on the other hand, couldn't Bruno not returning to his body be due to his injuries and his "undead" state possibly coming to an end?

    And also, due to Chariot's nature of being the shadow of the observer's soul, couldn't he receive some sort of Abstract existence from this? or at least type 8 immortality, since his existence is connected to the "light" behind the souls of those who observe him?
    • Like
    Reactions: Emerald and Omnificence
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I thought i replied, ill reply better later with some scans.
    But Tldr would be he probably died because he was already dead so he just ascended, his and Gio's talk kind of says as much with Gio going "your body though-", but that in itself doesn't inherently mean destroying the light of one's soul is safe either.

    and Type 8 might have merit, after all, the implication is that it can't die no matter what as long as the light remains, although only one light needs to be destroyed to kill it, but it being the shadow of the soul directly ties it's immortality to said light.
    I wouldn't say AE though, it's corporal, can be touched and seen by anyone, and being a shadow of a soul is fucky but not exactly abstract as how we define it (Like you wouldn't call Hanged Man abstract for being light or Black Sabbath or Set abstract for being literal shadows).
    Anime_Facts
    Anime_Facts
    Yeah, I had that impression while rereading it, I think if it was really Araki's intention for it to be some kind of suicide, he would probably draw Bucci's soul exploding apart like he did with Shigechi's soul when Kira kills him or smth, Gio probably wouldnt mention his body either, I asked because I was reading some old VS threads where you brought up that possibility and I was curious to know if there was still anything to support that interpretation.
    It seems like Immortality 8 makes sense, but regarding AE, I thought it could be a similar case to God Hand in Berserk, who have physical bodies that can be touched, but their essence is defined as a "mass of thought" and gained AE for that.
    I'm just not sure if being a "soul shadow" would fit as some sort of abstraction.

    Also, thanks for the answer !
    Da3ggman
    Hey Chariot, totally out of the blue random, but would you happen to know if we use 20km average for the horizon? Or do we calculate it using the horizon calculator? Figured I’d ask you since you’re like, one of the best guy I’ve seen when it comes to calcing stuff.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    20km is generally what we use for ground lv stuff. If you're super high af tho you should calc it (If you're way below the horizon line like in a hole or some shit idk, calc it then too).

    Like you could calc it either way if you want to, but 20km is like the default placeholder that nobody will get on your ass for if it's around ground lv.
    Da3ggman
    Da3ggman
    Thanks bro, appreciate it!
    DaReaperMan
    Hey Chariot, hey Chariot!

    You're gonna laugh.
    Johner2133451

    Thread 'Raiden Ei vs Kratos'

    vsbattles.fandom.com

    Raiden Shogun (Genshin Impact)

    The Raiden Shogun (雷電らいでん将しょう軍ぐん, Raiden Shōgun?), true name Ei (影えい?), is the Electro Archon and the exalted ruler of the island nation of Inazuma. Despite her status as the incarnation of thunder itself, transient and instantaneous, she is committed to the pursuit of Eternity, the preservation...
    vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

    vsbattles.fandom.com

    Kratos

    Kratos (Greek: Κράτος) is the titular playable protagonist of Sony Santa Monica Studio's acclaimed God of War series. Born and raised among the violent Spartans, Kratos rose through the ranks to become a fearsome general, winning many wars under his command. However, they eventually encountered...
    vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

    Raiden Ei is used

    Kratos at his multi solar key and no divine weapons/equipment

    Speed equalized
    RandomGuy2345
    RandomGuy2345

    Thread 'John Cena Supernatural Willpower and The Undertaker Potential New Ability (I'm pumping out these CRTs quick asf lol)'

    This'll probably be the last WWE CRT for a while.

    This time around, I'll be arguing for John Cena to gain Supernatural Willpower, as well as proposing that The Undertaker should get a new ability.

    First, let's start with John Cena.

    As you can see from Cena's Powers and Abilities section, Cena has a Limited Resistance to Mind Manipulation due to the following reasons:

    Limited Resistance to Mind Manipulation (Able to gradually break free from Bray Wyatt's mind control)

    However, I’m proposing that Cena should be given Supernatural...
    • RandomGuy2345
    • john cena (wwe) pro wrestling professional wrestling the undertaker the undertaker (wwe) wwe wwe (verse)
    • Replies: 21
    • Forum: Content Revision

    Ik you're not a staff member, but can you give this thread a look if you can so it can gain some traction?
    Alr so do you have any fair Jojo MU with Saiki? Want to have fun with some matches before he gets his Outer smurf shit
    Huesito88
    Chariot your thoughts on this thread would you have agreed?

    The thread
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    That's kind of an odd case because Goku's standard increase there, upscales his Kaioken showings, which does increase speed 1:1.

    I'd need to check but his speed would scale above whatever kaioken he was using while training.
    Huesito88
    Huesito88
    Did you check?
    Mr. Bambu
    On a less official note: Chariot, I don't know you well. Our interests do not intersect and thus we do not often meet on threads. My interpretation of you is that you earnestly believe the things you type, even if they seem objectively false to me. That is the nature of interpretation. Issues do not arise from mere disagreement, but rather the stubbornness with which that disagreement is handled. You are not expected to pivot to agreeing with me- that, too, is not normal on VSBW. But you seem to insist on elevating any given discussion to personal matters and half-hidden insults. I've read back through the pages of this thread that I missed and found you doing the same with others.

    I know that you can do things that are good. Hell, earlier in the thread, it seems to me we would have been in agreement, even if a warning would have been necessary for hostility then, too. It seems likely this will all be taken as an affront on my part, this warning, but it is my hope that with introspection you will see that I am an administrator and I am required to do what seems most right. If the abuse I perceive was leveled solely at me, it would not be so bad- but it is not, looking at it further. I do not know if it is intentional, what I do know is that you need to take a moment and read your messages before you post them.

    I am hoping that by posting this more privately, there will be less inclination towards exacerbation.
    DaReaperMan
    Johner2133451

    Thread 'Garou vs Kratos'

    vsbattles.fandom.com

    Garou

    Garou (ガロウ, Garō) is a former disciple of Bang and was considered a prodigy. But one day, he was kicked out from his dojo for going on a rampage once he got bored with everyone. He's one of the strongest characters in the series and plays a major role as the main villain in the Hero Hunt arc...
    vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

    vsbattles.fandom.com

    Kratos

    Kratos (Greek: Κράτος) is the titular playable protagonist of Sony Santa Monica Studio's acclaimed God of War series. Born and raised among the violent Spartans, Kratos rose through the ranks to become a fearsome general, winning many wars under his command. However, they eventually encountered...
    vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com

    Both at multi solar, speed equalized
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    This is like, 5th I think? Maybe 6th. Lil bro wants to hit that 10 real quick.
    Would he be a good MU for Wonder of U?

    vsbattles.fandom.com

    Bernard (Bernard)

    Bernard is the titular protagonist of animated series of the same name. He is a curious polar bear and Lloyd's friend/enemy, Eva's boyfriend and Zack's enemy/friend, he seems to be bad in the series. Tier: 9-A, higher via piercing damage Name: Bernard Origin: Bernard Gender: Male Age: Unknown...
    vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
    View previous comments…
    ShionAH
    I was thinking more so it would be funny and thematic since Bernard is basically under the affects of WoU all the time (Not even supernatural goodluck was able to over take his bad luck)

    But I was wondering wouldnt Bernards Immortality and Endurance allow him to survive the diseases? I see its not fair tho
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    The endurance and his immortality is what makes him last, what's stopping Bernard from tripping and dying or a stray leaf decapitating him or WW2. But diseases would still kinda mess him up, depending on the disease anyway.

    He'd also have to be able to be able to regen from stuff bordering on transmutation otherwise he can be incapped if the match goes on long enough (WoU has rokakaka, even a drop can transmutate a good chunk of him, rock brug also kinda incaps, just fills every orifice and his body with rock, nothing to even regen from there, would just really, really, suck).
    ShionAH
    Alr, his best Immortality feat is coming back from being turned into a pile of dust and being blown away by the wind for reference
    Chris_only9271
    Hi, would you mind if I ask you some questions about the rules and conditions for claiming the ability "Non-physical Interaction" for a character?

    If Character A uses their power to harm a soul, but meanwhile Character B, who does not have any supernatural powers, can also touch and kick the soul, does that mean Character B has the "Non-physical Interaction" ability, or does it imply that the soul is not considered a non-physical entity?

    For example, in Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness, some characters like Dr. Strange, Wong, and Scarlet Witch have the ability "Non-physical Interaction" by harming the soul. However, in one scene, Christine Palmer is also able to kick a soul.
    DaReaperMan
    Question: Does Dio's time stop have layers? If not, I might have a match for him
    View previous comments…
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    vsbattles.fandom.com

    Lord Recluse

    Lord Recluse was once Stefan Richter, a wealthy technocrat and Austrian-American son of Rudy Richter. Stefans parents adopted the orphan Marcus Cole, and they quickly became close friends and fought during World War 1. But during this time Marcus was exposed to Mustard Gas and became chronically...
    vsbattles.fandom.com vsbattles.fandom.com
    This is the profile I'm thinking of using then against Canon Dio, for reference
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Dio's canon profile is kinda ass.

    Tbh I thought it was sufficient but apparently not because we still have mfs yapping about how Dio is naive, stupid, straight up braindead apparently 🗿
    also missing some pretty important shit like life drain, idk why he dont got that, that's literally how his stat amp works.
    But idk, idc really.
    DaReaperMan
    DaReaperMan
    Honestly Dio would want to resist Neurotoxin if he wanted to Life Drain Lord Recluse anyway... I mean, he could try but Lord Recluse has a wall of resistances because MMO Boss resistances
    DaReaperMan
    Just ask me if you ever want to attempt any Darksiders matches.

    Frankly I read that thread randomly and saw Darksiders get mentioned lol
    Emerald
    Hey sorry to bother you, but do you mind telling what are the arguments for this in the Kira vs Dante vs thread?
    in theory it could go up to +3 ESP and +2 NPI, but that involves shit that isnt accepted and i dont have on hand so shrug.
    Click to expand...
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I literally said that wasn't an argument?
    Emerald
    Emerald
    yea but what "in theory" would make it like that? genuinely curious
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Just weird shit to do with Hamon, ghosts and a few other things. We'll get there when we get there tho, I haven't really thought about it beyond "hey this might be a thing".

    Getting the actual NPI and stuff listed to start with is more important like the various elemental and abstract NPI's Stands have.
    Lort15
    Hey sorry for disburting can i get your exact opinion about this vs because i'm a bit confused about the discussion do you think Hal will stomp Ben?
    vsbattles.com

    "Time, huh?" | Green Lantern vs Ben 10 | 11-12-0

    Big fan of "Hal holds back because his morals won't allow him to kill a kid... but he'll nuke the planet.' Why, are we assuming the planet is full with civs? These are the most Out of Character arguments I've seen for s DC character ever. Scanning is in character, doesn't require prep, and...
    vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Without Alien X? Yeah.
    especially because speed equal is for cowards.
    • Like
    Reactions: Lort15
    Lort15
    Lort15
    alright thanks
    Luckyfun
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    I do yeah, don't **** with it on wiki been playing that shit since the 90s.
    was kinda feeling like rewatching the anime after it ended and compiling feats to calc, as well as doing a big calc blog for every feat-based dex entry, but i havent had much time.
    Agnaa
    Chariot190 said:
    Was moreso referring to the novel with the triplets. Disco was me simply mentioning the most popular book from said author, as an example of a book JJ draws from. Wouldve been more specific using the book with the beyond time shit (it's been so long but the book where bro could like, see past the curtains of time and whatnot, forget how it was described) but I frugot what that one was called (Joji's time slow when he focuses, due to his internal time no longer running with the outside, is a pretty hard rip of that for example).
    Click to expand...
    Not sure about the "past the curtains of time" stuff, but personal time slow is from Disco, since a bunch of characters gain full control over space-time, internally and externally (including that book's Tsukumojuuku), including those sorts of feats. Closest I could see to the "beyond time" stuff, are characters removing themselves from any sensory references to the outside world (i.e. going to a completely dark room), so they can focus on arbitrarily changing their personal flow of time to go backwards, as otherwise that external info would subconsciously push them to align with that ordinary flow.
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Not what I meant by "beyond time", but probably it.
    Artorimachi_Meteoraft
    vsbattles.com

    Hunter vs rex splode

    Rex splode Hunter Rules Speed equalized First key for hunter The hunter has for optional equipment allowed this time which is his shotgun They are 20 ft apart out of sight and the battle takes place in times square They have prior knowledge of each other too In-character
    vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

    Mind taking a look at this Rex splode match?
    TheRustyOne
    About the RWBY 8-A explosion.

    The 8-A explosion isn't from all of the cases combined, one case is worth an 8-A explosion.

    The blog here explains it better. I didn't factor them all into the blog due to how all of this would interact with each and I didn't want to deal with the headache.
    • Like
    Reactions: Shadyboi0
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Then just make them 8-A. At the very least the bug eats one, maybe a few, but no way to confirm how many. If one case is 8-A, then it's 8-A, and if they scale then yeah 8-A.
    CBslayeR
    Do you know how long Ripper Mode lasts in game? Need it for something and I can't find it on google
    Chariot190
    Chariot190
    Depends on your charge meter, been awhile, but full charge would be dozens of seconds from his pov, can be refilled as you use it tho.

    It does last infinitely in the Monsoon fight or with wig tho. So canonically the time limit is just balancing, depends mostly on how bloodlusted he is.
  • Loading…
  • Loading…
Back
Top