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General DC Comics Discussion Thread

DecisiveGoldfinch419 said:
Just make King Omega Darkseid and King Omega Superman 1-A/High 1-A and the problem is solved. Surely someone has a list of feats/statements/scailing to other characters like Spectre/SPB that can justify their placements into those tiers. I might be wrong though, I am new to this thread.
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No one is arguing about king omega superman not being High 1-A anything below does not make sense. They were arguing for base superman being 1-A.
 
KirbyFan03 said:
Yeah the 1-A wank for heralds isnt good

Or the mention of it outside of special abilities like SoS
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I just read this in youtube which comic is he talking about. Is it that flash comic where Darksied saw entire continuities and rectons the birth of new presence and baby source? What comic was that?
"Full power Darkseid is his king omega form. Same form that was stated by Scott Snyder to be the ultimate and most powerful DC villain, who escaped his narrative bindings in the omniverse, who was passively collapsing Creation, and who has killed every celestial being in existence in a near future. Trigon was ******** himself when Darkseid appeared in Hell. "

Does the trigon part really happen or mad glaze?
I do know Darksied put belt to arse on eclipso but Trigon too lol.
 
King Omega Darkseid and King Omega Superman, at the moment, would not be rated as High-1A as they have neither the statements nor the feats to justify it. Once I revise the Sphere of The Gods, such a justification would be possible, but with the currently excepted DC cosmology, it would not.

PRIDEXEGO said:
I just read this in youtube which comic is he talking about. Is it that flash comic where Darksied saw entire continuities and rectons the birth of new presence and baby source? What comic was that?
"Full power Darkseid is his king omega form. Same form that was stated by Scott Snyder to be the ultimate and most powerful DC villain, who escaped his narrative bindings in the omniverse, who was passively collapsing Creation, and who has killed every celestial being in existence in a near future. Trigon was ******** himself when Darkseid appeared in Hell. "

Does the trigon part really happen or mad glaze?
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Trigon is literally an irrelevant bum. He is not powerful at all, at least in comparison to Darkseid and actual gods. Trigon is not even a being of the sphere of the gods, he is merely a false demon from a random magic dimension. He received enormous wank a few years ago because he featured in an animated DC film where he fights Darkseid. In response to this 0eople (particularly a video by the YouTuber webcamparrot) wanked the heck out of the guy making people believe that Trigon was one of the most powerful beings in DC when that straight up isn’t true in the slightest.
 
PRIDEXEGO said:
I just read this in youtube which comic is he talking about. Is it that flash comic where Darksied saw entire continuities and rectons the birth of new presence and baby source? What comic was that?
"Full power Darkseid is his king omega form. Same form that was stated by Scott Snyder to be the ultimate and most powerful DC villain, who escaped his narrative bindings in the omniverse, who was passively collapsing Creation, and who has killed every celestial being in existence in a near future. Trigon was ******** himself when Darkseid appeared in Hell. "

Does the trigon part really happen or mad glaze?
I do know Darksied put belt to arse on eclipso but Trigon too lol.
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Yeah trigon was scared of All In Darkseid who's weaker than Infinite Frontier
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
King Omega Darkseid and King Omega Superman, at the moment, would not be rated as High-1A as they have neither the statements nor the feats to justify it. Once I revise the Sphere of The Gods, such a justification would be possible, but with the currently excepted DC cosmology, it would not.
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Bro superman striaght up absorbed the big bang, which is the same big bang perpetua used to create the endless and ect. he is defo high 1-A even with our current cosmology.
 
Ozcantabak said:
Bro superman striaght up absorbed the big bang, which is the same big bang perpetua used to create the endless and ect. he is defo high 1-A even with our current cosmology.
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That is straight up not what happens in the comic. That is pure conjecture with no evidence or basis in reality whatsoever. It is not stated or even hinted in any way shape or form. He absorbed the big bang of Earth-0 / Prime-Earth. People will do everything but actually read the source material 🤦‍♂️
 
Ozcantabak said:
Bro superman striaght up absorbed the big bang, which is the same big bang perpetua used to create the endless and ect. he is defo high 1-A even with our current cosmology.
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some think it was just the big bang of earth 0, but given it featuring another earth while travelling to the beginning, probably it wasn't just earth 0 big bang
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
That is straight up not what happens in the comic. That is pure conjecture with no evidence or basis in reality whatsoever. It is not stated or even hinted in any way shape or form. He absorbed the big bang of Earth-0 / Prime-Earth. People will do everything but actually read the source material 🤦‍♂️
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The big bang was stated to contain all matter and all possibilities

Maybe that's why people think its Perpetuas Big Bang
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
King Omega Darkseid and King Omega Superman, at the moment, would not be rated as High-1A as they have neither the statements nor the feats to justify it. Once I revise the Sphere of The Gods, such a justification would be possible, but with the currently excepted DC cosmology, it would not.


Trigon is literally an irrelevant bum. He is not powerful at all, at least in comparison to Darkseid and actual gods. Trigon is not even a being of the sphere of the gods, he is merely a false demon from a random magic dimension. He received enormous wank a few years ago because he featured in an animated DC film where he fights Darkseid. In response to this 0eople (particularly a video by the YouTuber webcamparrot) wanked the heck out of the guy making people believe that Trigon was one of the most powerful beings in DC when that straight up isn’t true in the slightest.
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I mean current Darksied view entirety of DC as fiction he saw every crisis event including Dark knight metal perpetua and Darknest Knight and then further back to crisis on infinite earth and even further to seeing new born presence and source of the current creation.
It doesnt get more High 1-A then this.
 
PRIDEXEGO said:
I mean current Darksied view entirety of DC as fiction he saw every crisis event including Dark knight metal perpetua and Darknest Knight and then further back to crisis on infinite earth and even further to seeing new born presence and source.
It doesnt more Hight 1-A then this.
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He didn't see the source or presence be born

He just went back before COIE and to the big bang thats stated to contain all matter and possibilities
 
PRIDEXEGO said:
I mean current Darksied view entirety of DC as fiction he saw every crisis event including Dark knight metal perpetua and Darknest Knight and then further back to crisis on infinite earth and even further to seeing new born presence and source.
It doesnt more Hight 1-A then this.
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When was it happened, maybe i just miss something. But probably this doesnt give any tier, prime did this long before him, even in earth prime before coie, there is a comic featuring the presence. And the real writer from earth prime saying this comic is written by him.
 
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I’m not gonna lie (talking to the 1-A to High 1-A believers) these arguments are not it.

You’re just over extrapolating statements with the word “all” to encompass higher aspects of the DC cosmology.

We don’t take every statement like “all existence” to literally mean everything cuz that would include the Source as well and obviously 99% of the time the Source isn’t actually affected.

Your best bet is to use the currently accepted Plot BS Superman has to propose like “up to 1-A at peak via Narrative Amps”
 
AyOgUyS said:
I’m not gonna lie (talking to the 1-A to High 1-A believers) these arguments are not it.

You’re just over extrapolating statements with the word “all” to encompass higher aspects of the DC cosmology.

We don’t take every statement like “all existence” to literally mean everything cuz that would include the Source as well and obviously 99% of the time the Source isn’t actually affected.

Your best bet is to use the currently accepted Plot BS Superman has to propose like “up to 1-A at peak via Narrative Amps”
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You keep sarcassing me😭😭😭
 
Frankky123 said:
You keep sarcassing me😭😭😭
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I mean I genuinely don’t think there’s any other way for Superman to get 1-A unless you try to use the statements of Superman being stronger than ever before and say they encompass him when he one shot the World Forger as well (but again, I don’t think it’s a valid argument)

King Omega Superman probably has better arguments.
 
KirbyFan03 said:
The big bang was stated to contain all matter and all possibilities

Maybe that's why people think its Perpetuas Big Bang
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That is not nearly enough evidence to extrapolate any further than it being merely the big bang of Prime-Earth. The fact that this is the statement people are using as their justification is frankly laughable. Plus the entire KO event takes place in the confines of Earth-Prime anyways. Even at his highest interpretation King Omega Darkseid is still limited by the fact that The Heart of Apokolips, his power source, is merely a Fourth Dimensional construct.

Anyways, it was already agreed upon 2 months ago that a profile for Absolute Darkseid would not be made until AFTER the Absolute Crisis concludes which is likely some time next year.
 
AyOgUyS said:
I mean I genuinely don’t think there’s any other way for Superman to get 1-A unless you try to use the statements of Superman being stronger than ever before and say they encompass him when he one shot the World Forger as well (but again, I don’t think it’s a valid argument)

King Omega Superman probably has better arguments.
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The one should be revised is the powerscalling rules. Its okay if the cases are just a character to character moment, for example is Batman kicked The Presence, because it could be an outlier. But if there is a destruction feat, it should be applied to the profile.

I think we cant bring this again to discussion
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
That is not nearly enough evidence to extrapolate any further than it being merely the big bang of Prime-Earth. The fact that this is the statement people are using as their justification is frankly laughable. Plus the entire KO event takes place in the confines of Earth-Prime anyways. Even at his highest interpretation King Omega Darkseid is still limited by the fact that The Heart of Apokolips, his power source, is merely a Fourth Dimensional construct.

Anyways, it was already agreed upon 2 months ago that a profile for Absolute Darkseid would not be made until AFTER the Absolute Crisis concludes which is likely some time next year.
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What do you think when superman Travelling to the beginning, he past the history of another earth.
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
That is not nearly enough evidence to extrapolate any further than it being merely the big bang of Prime-Earth. The fact that this is the statement people are using as their justification is frankly laughable. Plus the entire KO event takes place in the confines of Earth-Prime anyways. Even at his highest interpretation King Omega Darkseid is still limited by the fact that The Heart of Apokolips, his power source, is merely a Fourth Dimensional construct.
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Do we even have the Fourth Dimension (the cosmological structure not literal 4D) indexed in the DC cosmology page? I only see stuff on the Fifth and Sixth Dimensions
 
AyOgUyS said:
Do we even have the Fourth Dimension (the cosmological structure not literal 4D) indexed in the DC cosmology page? I only see stuff on the Fifth and Sixth Dimensions
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It has not been added yet. DC cosmology is out of date. It will eventually be added.
AyOgUyS said:
Anyway wasn’t King Omega Darkseid passively destroying Hypertime or something similar? That might still scale somewhere notable.
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Like with The Bleed, there are various levels of Hypertime. He was not affecting the totality of the Hypertime abstraction the way that Perpetua or The Darkest Knight were explicitly shown to be capable of doing.The Hypertime abstraction atthe universal level, which is what is shown in the KO event, is the total set of timelines associated with that universe.
Frankky123 said:
What do you think when superman Travelling to the beginning, he past the history of another earth.
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I didn’t see any reference to an alternate Earth. If there is it is likely just another timeline of Prime-Earth. Even if it were not, this still isn’t even close to enough evidence to justify it as being the Big Bang for the entire Divine Continuum.
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
That is not nearly enough evidence to extrapolate any further than it being merely the big bang of Prime-Earth. The fact that this is the statement people are using as their justification is frankly laughable. Plus the entire KO event takes place in the confines of Earth-Prime anyways. Even at his highest interpretation King Omega Darkseid is still limited by the fact that The Heart of Apokolips, his power source, is merely a Fourth Dimensional construct.

Anyways, it was already agreed upon 2 months ago that a profile for Absolute Darkseid would not be made until AFTER the Absolute Crisis concludes which is likely some time next year.
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The merely fourth dimensional stuff does seem a bit valid, have you considered this?

During DC KO the heart brought back Emperor Joker who has 5D power

During the superman comics, im not sure which one but within this year. Mr. Mxy was scared of Master TXYZ a fourth dimensional imp

DCs 4th dimension is of the fourth world/SoTG

The 5th is the realm that extends and connects to all levels of reality on the map

Personally id say we wait for the event to finish yeah

Darkseid also has some neat feats of replacing the Speed Force with Omega Speed and the Emotional Spectrum with his own wired system in Absolute GL
 
KirbyFan03 said:
The merely fourth dimensional stuff does seem a bit valid, have you considered this?

During DC KO the heart brought back Emperor Joker who has 5D power

During the superman comics, im not sure which one but within this year. Mr. Mxy was scared of Master TXYZ a fourth dimensional imp

DCs 4th dimension is of the fourth world/SoTG

The 5th is the realm that extends and connects to all levels of reality on the map

Personally id say we wait for the event to finish yeah

Darkseid also has some neat feats of replacing the Speed Force with Omega Speed and the Emotional Spectrum with his own wired system in Absolute GL
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None of that is any justification either. Mr Mxyzptlk is a massive goofball who does not take anything seriously and often appears at a vastly reduced capacity in the lower worlds only using however much power he feels like using at the time. The Presence appeared in the KO event because he chose to be there. The same is true of Mr Mxyzptlk. If he didn’t want to be there to have fun he would have ripped Darkseid apart.
KirbyFan03 said:
The 4th dimension is the 4th world/SoTG
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That is not true. The Fourth dimension has no connection to the 4th world at all.
 
PromptedElephant641 said:
None of that is any justification either. Mr Mxyzptlk is a massive goofball who does not take anything seriously and often appears at a vastly reduced capacity in the lower worlds only using however much power he feels like using at the time. The Presence appeared in the KO event because he chose to be there. The same is true of Mr Mxyzptlk. If he didn’t want to be there to have fun he would have ripped Darkseid apart.

That is not true. The Fourth dimension has no connection to the 4th world at all.
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The mxy point makes sense, I'll give ya that

Also doesn't World Forger call The Heart of Apokolips Fourth Dimensional? Well, the heart of Apokolips is an emenation too so there's that, what do you think?
 
AyOgUyS said:
Anyway wasn’t King Omega Darkseid passively destroying Hypertime or something similar? That might still scale somewhere notable.
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I do think greater omniverse level probably fine for k.o darkseid, supes and time trapper.

Prime's new reality is called to be outside of known space time which referred to the divine continuum, because it was stated to be beyond the known multiverse. Which explain how prime's reality is just fine like another day while other multiverse are broken. This also explain why prime's reality is beyond darkseid influence.
 
KirbyFan03 said:
The mxy point makes sense, I'll give ya that

Also doesn't World Forger call The Heart of Apokolips Fourth Dimensional? Well, the heart of Apokolips is an emenation too so there's that, what do you think?
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Once I finish a lot of other stuff I will get around to revising The Sphere of The Gods with emphasis on the gods of New Genesis and Apokolips as they are the most frequently depicted realms. Godhead Darkseid will be High-1A; however, people polluting the discourse with blatantly incorrect interpretation of events or stating things that just didn’t happen is not conducive to making this happen.
 
Frankky123 said:
I do think greater omniverse level probably fine for k.o darkseid, supes and time trapper.

Prime's new reality is called to be outside of known space time which referred to the divine continuum, because it was stated to be beyond the known multiverse. Which explain how prime's reality is just fine like another day while other multiverse are broken. This also explain why prime's reality is beyond darkseid influence.
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I mean that reality was created by Time trapper
 
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PromptedElephant641 said:
Once I finish a lot of other stuff I will get around to revising The Sphere of The Gods with emphasis on the gods of New Genesis and Apokolips as they are the most frequently depicted realms. Godhead Darkseid will be High-1A; however, people polluting the discourse with blatantly incorrect interpretation of events or stating things that just didn’t happen is not conducive to making this happen.
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Yeah I read the event and a lot of people say things that didn't happen

The standouts for me scaling wise is

Replacing speed force with omega speed
Burning hypertime
One shotting 3D world forger in boosters body
Beating gorilla grodd in mind hax
Stomping Wally and Bart
Darkseid exists across multiple points in time and some more acuasality for New Gods

All In Darkseid knows what hell become as he's stomping Wally and Bart in time trappers super slowed down time/resisting time slow

Regular degular Darkseid calling wally a fraud and also, knowing whats gonna happen in the future
 
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