Genshin Impact Discussion Thread

[MSahla]

Feats of him beating a 100% Angel + This ain't about statments, ITS ABOUT FEATS
VENTI HAS THE FEATS TO BACK UP MY CLAIMS

Unfortunately, this case is statements > feats.
For example:

• Prime Venti defeating Ursa shows he was at least as strong as Ursa.
• It doesn't establish he was stronger than every other Prime Archon.
• To claim that, you'd need evidence comparing Venti directly to Raiden, Zhongli, Mavuika, etc.

So, you're just confusing "Venti has good feats" with "Venti is canonically above every other Prime Archon"

scaling to a Dvalin which can clash against an AU Dvalin capable of no selling Current Traveler attacks, Current Traveler scales much higher than Archons, with some argument u can even downscale him to 50% Nicole

You just think every Traveler's attack is as equal as the others. I already told you that Dvalin wasn't about to attack him specifically because he was dive in from high and his huge body bout to hit the Traveler.

 

[MSahla]

The fact that the 3D model is very close to 2D is insane. It's better even with those hair details.

 

[MSahla]

Diluc could never.

 

[Natsuki012]

Diluc could never.

albedo could never

 

[Natsuki012]

 

[MSahla]

Justice to Albedo man.

 

[MSahla]

How to play Genshin Impact properly

 

[MSahla]

I've tried this and it was cool

 

[MSahla]

Real

 

[SomeJJJJ]

Genshin why the **** Amber and Barbara's model looked so good back then

(If this is what they mean with enhancing models in 7.0 i'm losing my mind)

 

[Puppet43]

So, you're just confusing "Venti has good feats" with "Venti is canonically above every other Prime Archon"

Nope,both things can be true at same time

Unfortunately, this case is statements > feats.
For example:

• Prime Venti defeating Ursa shows he was at least as strong as Ursa.
• It doesn't establish he was stronger than every other Prime Archon.
• To claim that, you'd need evidence comparing Venti directly to Raiden, Zhongli, Mavuika, etc.

U are the one claiming the possitive assertion of "Venti is relative to other archons" the burden is on to you to proof that, in fact the last point

• To claim that, you'd need evidence comparing Venti directly to Raiden, Zhongli, Mavuika, etc.

Can be proven by just using Traveler

• Current Traveler is stronger than Pyro, who was relative to Ei and Mavuika; Current Traveler is below Dvalin, who is comparable to Venti
• Bakunawa fragment was relative to Post Skirk Traveler, who was stronger than Pyro Traveler; and we know Bakunawa FP is somewhat comparable to Durin and therefore Dvalin and Venti
• Durin in Nod Krai could handle Rerir 10% FP in his body without any negative impact, meanwhile Traveler amped by Moon Marrow was downscaling of that same Rerir
• Current Traveler is relative to 50% Angel; Venti held back (Lohen quest implies they didnt kill Ursa, because of pity) against 100% Ursa

Dont u see the consistency?

You just think every Traveler's attack is as equal as the others. I already told you that Dvalin wasn't about to attack him specifically because he was dive in from high and his huge body bout to hit the Traveler.

And u dont think the KE of slamming is body isnt an attack when Dvalin has been a pure physical fighter except in counted occasions?

 

[MSahla]

Nope,both things can be true at same time

If not supported by the direct evidence, no.

U are the one claiming the possitive assertion of "Venti is relative to other archons" the burden is on to you to proof that, in fact the last point

Again, I don't need to. As I told you, my entire point is this whole "Archon level" stuff. I mean, you still not answering my two options:

So you have two options:

1. Accept the general "Prime Archon level" scaling, in which Ursa and other Prime Archons are comparable.
2. Or reject the whole "Archon level" thing altogether and argue that every Archon must be scaled independently.

There's still no definitive reason or evidence for you to say Venti is the only outlier or special than all of the Archons. I would agree with you if there's direct statements saying "Venti is stronger than the rest of the Archons because he fought Ursa" or anything similar.

Can be proven by just using Traveler

• Current Traveler is stronger than Pyro, who was relative to Ei and Mavuika; Current Traveler is below Dvalin, who is comparable to Venti
• Bakunawa fragment was relative to Post Skirk Traveler, who was stronger than Pyro Traveler; and we know Bakunawa FP is somewhat comparable to Durin and therefore Dvalin and Venti
• Durin in Nod Krai could handle Rerir 10% FP in his body without any negative impact, meanwhile Traveler amped by Moon Marrow was downscaling of that same Rerir
• Current Traveler is relative to 50% Angel; Venti held back (Lohen quest implies they didnt kill Ursa, because of pity) against 100% Ursa

Dont u see the consistency?

I mean, this is just relying on a long chain scaling to made up your claim rather than direct evidence, in fact you need to do that. Ironically, the strongest argument is not this your whole ass chainscaling. Like I don't even bother to read all those because I know those aren't a direct evidence that I wanted.

 

[MSahla]

6 years ago vs now

 

[MSahla]

Ok that's just the Seven Sovereigns in Teyvat, lol.

 

[AsterReal]

Columbina, after meeting Klee:

 

[Puppet43]

If not supported by the direct evidence, no.

To bad it is

Again, I don't need to.

Therefore u concede your point, gg ez no skill

There's still no definitive reason or evidence for you to say Venti is the only outlier or special than all of the Archons

There no definitive reason on why Surtalogi should be an outlier of Abyss Energy users, so lets make Abyss Mage 5A rn

I would agree with you if there's direct statements saying "Venti is stronger than the rest of the Archons because he fought Ursa" or anything similar.

If character A has shown better feats than Characters B and C combined why would be he weaker?

than direct evidence

THIS IS LITTERALLY DIRECT EVIDENCE, U PLAY THE GAME AND SEE ANYTHING I SAID, ITS LITTERALLY CONNECTING POINT A (Bakunawa fights stronger than Pyro Traveler) WITH POINT B (Bakunawa is relative to Durin)

Like I don't even bother to read all those because I know those aren't a direct evidence that I wanted.

Invincible Ignorant Fallacy ahh moment

 

[MSahla]

Why is nobody changing Alhaitham's intelligence to Extraordinary Genius...
https://vsbattles.com/threads/self-evident-intelligence-revisions-thread.133518/post-7831170

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

Finally got sandrome in 3rd try . Feels good after failing to get , lauma and nicole and wasting so much time and effort. Now time to save up the rest of the primogens to try to get odette in the new version and gather the materials to level her up.

 

[MSahla]

As Zibai enjoyer, we won so bad

 

[Mbpoops]

 

[MSahla]

This is so cool. I can't wait.

 

[AsterReal]

 

[AsterReal]

It really doesn't take much effort to forge something.

 

[MSahla]

Aight, we got the Yuri of Snezhnaya after Sandbina.

 

[MSahla]

Aight, we got the Yuri of Snezhnaya after Sandbina.

I mean.. Cmon, this is just obvious.

"She dances and dances... The gazes and hearts of all follow her every graceful motion, only to fall as the curtain draws closed ♪~ "But Odette, oh Odette, Odette of Snezhnograd, Odette of the Korolevskiy Troupe, Odette who belongs not to herself ♪~ "Does your heart yearn to be the center of attention, or to dance alone on the snowy plains? ♪~" — A song drifting from Vodyanitsa's room

 

[MSahla]

Man I wanna post this big CRT so bad, like I don't give a shit about anything, like being rejected. I just wanna dump away my agenda. But then I realized that it's 30 days left until Snezhnaya.

 

[MSahla]

Dont.. You.. Fcking.. Dare.. To.. Say.. Valeriy.. Is.. A.. 4.. Star.

Imma beat the fck out of this leaker bro if I meet them.

 

[MSahla]

This is fcked up but funny.

 

[MSahla]

Yess... I was so happy that Seymour and Mamere got voiced. It felt so amazing to see a world quest characters being voiced. Before this, it was the "Mary-Ann" which was voiced by the same VA as Sandrone's, which is a cool detail because Sandrone was created by Alain in the image of his sister Mary-Ann.

 

[MSahla]

Yess... I was so happy that Seymour and Mamere got voiced. It felt so amazing to see a world quest characters being voiced. Before this, it was the "Mary-Ann" which was voiced by the same VA as Sandrone's, which is a cool detail because Sandrone was created by Alain in the image of his sister Mary-Ann.

Also, Mamere's VA is the same as Mr. Nine and Ronova. In HSR, that would be Cyrene.

 

[MSahla]

 

[MSahla]

This can't be the same game right

 

[Puppet43]

The 35 year segment tought of himself as Dottore, reserving the name Zandik for the original specimen
Of all the segments, he was the most selfish

 

[MSahla]

I mean, universal Istaroth was never a lie anyway.

And "ring-shaped" you say? Hmmm
Her halo above her head is technically the universe's time.

 

[Dog3352]

I wonder what kind of figures you'd get if you calculated the feat of Zhongli launching several of his spears...

 

[MSahla]

The Voyager, a.k.a Koitar's husband, a.k.a Seutervoinen's true name: Anacharsis

 

[Puppet43]

I wonder what kind of figures you'd get if you calculated the feat of Zhongli launching several of his spears...

6-C to 6-A

 

[Mbpoops]

 

[MSahla]

Spoiler

In Summary:

• The Saint of Hyperborea, a.k.a the Voyager/Anarchasis , sought the primordial light, the light from the world's first creation (this is referring to Nibelung) which still contained the potential for stars and hope. He used a fragment of this light to challenge the world's predetermined Fate, but was ultimately punished because Hyperborea's destruction had already been ordained
• Heimarmene (maybe Hyperboreans language to describe fate system, akin to Remurian's Musica Mundana) or pure white light represents infinite possibilities (which is true and consistent). However, humanity desired a single, fixed reality, causing this limitless light to be split into a limited spectrum ("colors"). This loss of purity produced the first shadow, identified as the Void/Abyss. In another words, Fate is an imposed structure that fixes one outcome out of infinite possibilities.
• Time is circular. Whenever fate is established or "anchored," the Abyss is also anchored at the end of time, implying that fate and the Abyss are fundamentally connected, which is true because the Abyss is essentially an unchosen fate.
• Thr Voyager realized that the primordial light (Nibelung) would eventually be exhausted, meaning the end of the world was inevitable, which is why he desperately pursued the "last light."
• Even though Ley Lines preserve memories of the past, several civilizations and angels have tried to escape the Heavenly Principles' control by creating systems independent of the Ley Lines and Heimarmene (Fate System):
  • Nabu Malikata in Sumeru.
  • Sybilla and her prophecies of Fontaine's flood.
  • Remuria, whose secret arts (which using Sybilla to create Phobos) escaped the heavens' observation by being passed down in a distorted form.

 

[Blayion]

Could please Identify exactly what powers and abilities dottore is showing here?


At first I thought it was memory manipulation but The Traveler retains their original memories


So Dottore did NOT alter the Traveler's personal memory.


Next I thought it was illusion creation
But the traveler directly says : The Are you planting illusions in my mind?"


To which dottore responds: I have no interest in fooling your eyes. On the contrary, I hope to show you the true essence of all that you see before you.


So it’s not memory manipulation or illusion creation so I’m not sure what exactly dottore was doing.


Do you think it could be reality warping or subjective reality?


(The Traveler blearily opens their eyes to find themselves in front of Speranza)


(‍Traveler‍): What just happened...


(‍Traveler‍): ...Nasha Town? How did I get here?


(‍Traveler‍): (Strange. I remember being


trapped by Dottore during the battle... And now, all of a sudden, I'm here.)


(‍Traveler‍): (Something weird is going on... I guess I'll start by exploring the area.)


(‍Traveler‍): (This is all wrong. I never once heard the owner of this restaurant talk about their family.


It certainly isn't a family-run business... And that child? I don't recognize her at all...)


(‍Traveler‍): (Could this be... a false memory?)
???: Very good. I knew you had it in you.


Icon Dialogue Talk White ...!?


Icon Dialogue Talk White Dottore!?


The Doctor: Aren't you going to try the house special?


(‍Traveler‍): (When did he show up?)


(‍Traveler‍): (No... None of this is real!)


(The screen glitches and the NPCs fade away)


The Doctor: You don't seem to like it here.


That's fine... we can change venues.


(Dottore waves his arm, and the scene cuts to black)


The Doctor: Hello there, (‍Traveler‍).


(The background shifts, placing them on a hill north of Nasha Town)


(‍Traveler‍): (He seems to be in a good mood... Wait, what's that behind him?)


The Doctor: Ah, so you noticed. This is the completed Trilune — two primordial Moon Marrows and one artificial specimen.


The Doctor: You're wary of it. Good. Maintain that reverence.


The Doctor: You performed well in that recent battle. Brave and reckless, as always.





(‍Traveler‍): ...Dottore. Are you planting illusions in my mind?


The Doctor: I have no interest in fooling your eyes. On the contrary, I hope to show you the true essence of all that you see before you.


(Dottore snaps his fingers, and they are teleported to Nasha Town's central plaza)


The Doctor: Is this not a beautiful city?


People live in peace and find joy in their work. The streets are safe — people can even leave their doors unlocked at night.


You might say it is the Elysium everyone dreams of.


The Doctor: All available data indicates that your values and worldview conform with the mainstream.


This kind of society should be quite to your taste.


(‍Traveler‍): False beauty is deceitful. Lies are to no one's taste.


(The scene distorts, and they are now on top of a cargo transport rail in the east of town)


The Doctor: Hmm. I wonder, is it your moral standards that are too high? Or your expectations of reality?


The Doctor: Answer me this: If someone existed in a sweet dream from the moment they were born, a dream in which they never once felt pain,


which do you think they would consider superior? The dream, or reality?


(‍Traveler‍): That's pure sophistry. It has nothing to do with your actions!


(The two are transported back to the central plaza)


The Doctor: Mmm. As I suspected. You have yet to understand all of this for what it really is.


(Dottore snaps his fingers again, teleporting them to Vesnici Proleca Greenhouse)


The Doctor: I believe we last squared off in


Sumeru. Ah, the memories... How time flies. You and I have both grown.


(The world tilts, and the Traveler finds themselves standing on the surface of the sea north of Paha Isle)


The Doctor: To stand, walk, jump, sit, and lie down. These are the most common of behaviors.


The Doctor uses the power of the Three Moons to grant you new strength...


The Doctor: The limits of the body can be rejected.


(If the Traveler reaches 1 HP)


(The Traveler's HP is recovered)


The Doctor shields you with the power of the three moons. You will not fall here.


(After defeating the opponents)


The Doctor: How does it feel to be among those with absolute power?


(The Traveler is sent flying through the air towards Paha Isle)