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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

Amazing work, everyone!

I’m still a bit sad though, Shin directly said here Gilgamesh won’t scale. Which means a lot of the fan favorite Servants also won’t scale to this, even Servants with Divinity since the CRT specifically mentions only actual Gods or Divine Spirits are in that realm. Beasts probably too, if I’m reading the CRT correctly. But not Servants.

I’m guessing the next thread after this will cover most of the verse then.
Don’t worry EA is a planet creating weapon. His gonna scale 😛✌️
 
That and maybe as specifically Age of Gods/Living Gilgamesh? Basically him not being restrained by a Class Container might make him stronger.
Classless Gil in CCC is more or less equal to his Archer counterpart and he's literally alive after the grail mud, living Gil isn't allat.
Don’t worry EA is a planet creating weapon. His gonna scale 😛✌️
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Tsukihime is literally foundational for TM scaling (not just including, but ESPECIALLY Fate) and the fact that its lore has been ignored in this context for so long is appalling. Was losing my mind trying to figure out why human tier characters in things like FSN just have consistent (but often variable) showings of low tier Servant CQC and reading through TsukiRe and talking with Shin about it just hit me with a bombshell that explains all of it. When I was arguing multiplier shit for mages backscaling to a percentage of Servant tier I was RIGHT all along I just didn't know how to argue it properly.
 
VSBW's generally had disgusting downplaying of Tsuki. And a few rare but incorrect overinflated ratings like Archetype Earth > Roa > Crimson Moon, to the point it just makes me pop my veins out. Otherwise, it's mostly ignored for whatever reason.

I'll fix all Tsuki stuff eventually. It's been put on the back burner undeservingly for a long time now. Tsukihime is as foundational for TM scaling and metaphysics as Kara no Kyoukai is foundational to Type Moon metaphysics alongside.
 
VSBW's generally had disgusting downplaying of Tsuki. And a few rare but incorrect overinflated ratings like Archetype Earth > Roa > Crimson Moon, to the point it just makes me pop my veins out. Otherwise, it's mostly ignored for whatever reason.

I'll fix all Tsuki stuff eventually. It's been put on the back burner undeservingly for a long time now. Tsukihime is as foundational for TM scaling and metaphysics as Kara no Kyoukai is foundational to Type Moon metaphysics alongside.
It's like people just don't pay attention to the VN or manga adaptations (which often make certain things way more blatant). No one noticing Shiki has variable power until I randomly came up with it after reading OG 3 years ago is insane cause the VN, manga, and Melty Blood will do everything short of spelling that shit out for you.
 
They can just do it in the format of Boss Rushes. We already know that Tohno potentially has had an accident in Boss Rush 2, but they just present it in the gag format. Overall, throughout Type Lumina, if you pay attention to the story, there's a good chunk of moments where they tell you it's all a dream for various arcade scenarios. Melty Blood was originally a visual novel fighting game with the Wallachia Arc; they can do the same with Kagetsu Tohya Melty.

I do hope we get a manga out of it eventually.
My ideal adaptation of Kagetsu Tohya would be an anime following a sort of ideal walkthrough, where each episode contains the unique events of each day separated by a "repeat again". I feel like this might be controversial (and potentially stupid) because I'm not sure how many people care about Shiki playing Mahjong or taking part in several variations of the school Cultural Festival but I swear I'd watch that shit (Though it might be obscenely long)

The Ten Nights of Dream (minus Flowers of Thanatos) and Drinking, Dreaming Moon can be adapted on the side!
 
My ideal adaptation of Kagetsu Tohya would be an anime following a sort of ideal walkthrough, where each episode contains the unique events of each day separated by a "repeat again". I feel like this might be controversial (and potentially stupid) because I'm not sure how many people care about Shiki playing Mahjong or taking part in several variations of the school Cultural Festival but I swear I'd watch that shit (Though it might be obscenely long)

The Ten Nights of Dream (minus Flowers of Thanatos) and Drinking, Dreaming Moon can be adapted on the side!
Might as well include the Flower of Thanatos to piss off the Twitterkeks. I absolutely agree, though.

Kagetsu Tohya anime would work wonders. I haven't gone through KT's RAWs yet, but, unfortunately it's translation (outside of Evospace's sections) isn't the best. Quite terrible too generally, I hope an anime or Twi Lumina would patch that all up. Though I'm only hoping for KT anime after Remake anime, I suppose, which is still a long while to go. I won't worry, though; it'll happen eventually.
 
Might as well include the Flower of Thanatos to piss off the Twitterkeks. I absolutely agree, though.

Kagetsu Tohya anime would work wonders. I haven't gone through KT's RAWs yet, but, unfortunately it's translation (outside of Evospace's sections) isn't the best. Quite terrible too generally, I hope an anime or Twi Lumina would patch that all up. Though I'm only hoping for KT anime after Remake anime, I suppose, which is still a long while to go. I won't worry, though; it'll happen eventually.
If there's anything I want properly retranslated, it's the Tsukihime manga. Hats off to the original team for their effort but man some volumes have just the worst typesetting and scan quality I've seen in my life 😭 I'm sure I would've enjoyed it a lot better if it were more legible
 
If there's anything I want properly retranslated, it's the Tsukihime manga. Hats off to the original team for their effort but man some volumes have just the worst typesetting and scan quality I've seen in my life 😭 I'm sure I would've enjoyed it a lot better if it were more legible
Well, I'll give it a shot in the future once I move on to the Tsukihime side of things. I have all the RAW volumes on me, bought, I'll compile all the important information/scans and the particular scenes. For you, I can go the extra mile to do the stuff that has horrible typesetting if you want (I remember going through that 4 years ago lol, and it was indeed terrible).
 
The eventual Universal Energy System/Magic System CRT for Nasuverse will go crazy lol. Like, the current but outdated Servant Physiology page is already very hax but I can’t wait for the actual update on that!
People still haven't found the scan for Magical Energy negging Gae Bolg, they still think it doesn't exist. (Goes to show you how much Fate scalers read the VN that shit is literally in early HF)
 
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Saber Alter was able to use her superior magical energy to no sell Medusa’s hax, right? That kinda reminds me of Dragon Ball “resisting hax due to higher power”. Not exactly the same of course, Nasuverse metaphysics and cosmology is very different, but it sort of has that vibe!
 
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Saber Alter was able to use her superior magical energy to no sell Medusa’s hax, right? That kinda reminds me of Dragon Ball “resisting hax due to higher power”. Not exactly the same of course, Nasuverse metaphysics and cosmology is very different, but it sort of has that vibe!
TYPE-MOON has that except it's actually real
 
PLEASE let this shit be resisted by enough magical energy it would be SO FUNNY
Shouldn't it be more to the case that the NP demonstrate it can't be resisted by magical energies? Since I think we already know that all forms of NPs can be negated with enough mana. Even Gae Bolg's causality and HP bypass stuff gets negated by magical energies. Even in Comptiq they literally tell you that btw.
 
Shouldn't it be more to the case that the NP demonstrate it can't be resisted by magical energies? Since I think we already know that all forms of NPs can be negated with enough mana. Even Gae Bolg's causality and HP bypass stuff gets negated by magical energies. Even in Comptiq they literally tell you that btw.
We'd need an actual feat to index it but things like probability and fate manipulation are resisted by magical energy already anyway (from both Gae Bolg and Caster Cu's misfortune spells)
 
Do you think ritsuka is similar to the MC's of Persona in terms of scaling to their enemies and major enemies or is ritsuka stuck at like Superhuman to street level with summoning being LOADED
 
Do you think ritsuka is similar to the MC's of Persona in terms of scaling to their enemies and major enemies or is ritsuka stuck at like Superhuman to street level with summoning being LOADED
It's the latter but Guda is occasionally given out of nowhere crazy feats like having planet level LS lmao
 
My problem is that rituska has INSANE feats and his summoning just gives him access to SOOOO many NP's but i don't know HOW to scale him. That's why im asking considering persona chars DO have a similar system (And ritsuka DOES have access to his own spells). Also ritsuka has a INSANE reaction speed considering that he reacted and dodged Ranmaru-X's space moving directly into the singularity)
 
My problem is that rituska has INSANE feats and his summoning just gives him access to SOOOO many NP's but i don't know HOW to scale him. That's why im asking considering persona chars DO have a similar system (And ritsuka DOES have access to his own spells). Also ritsuka has a INSANE reaction speed considering that he reacted and dodged Ranmaru-X's space moving directly into the singularity)
Ritsuka's feats are somewhat superhuman, yeah, but the minute any servant actually gets to them, they need to surrender,(Götterdämmerung) are badly injured,(Shimousa) or get saved for the sake of plot(Götterdämmerung)

Like I said, they are quite literally a cannon ball victim as proven in E Pluribus Unum when they literally half-die to a cannon ball hit, and are weaker than extremely weakened servants(Caster Holmes) who get one-shot by servants they'd normally have an edge on(Archer Moriarty)
 
My problem is that rituska has INSANE feats and his summoning just gives him access to SOOOO many NP's but i don't know HOW to scale him. That's why im asking considering persona chars DO have a similar system (And ritsuka DOES have access to his own spells). Also ritsuka has a INSANE reaction speed considering that he reacted and dodged Ranmaru-X's space moving directly into the singularity)
Yeah its really funny guda is absolutely stacked in terms of options for summons but their actual AP is like above average human

I guess the closest we can look at are either Prison Tower when they 1v1 Edmond (they canonically had no summons) or when they fought King of Men Goetia, but outside of that we could just compare him to other mages and go from there
 
Ritsuka's feats are somewhat superhuman, yeah, but the minute any servant actually gets to them, they need to surrender,(Götterdämmerung) are badly injured,(Shimousa) or get saved for the sake of plot(Götterdämmerung)

Like I said, they are quite literally a cannon ball victim as proven in E Pluribus Unum when they literally half-die to a cannon ball hit, and are weaker than extremely weakened servants(Caster Holmes) who get one-shot by servants they'd normally have an edge on(Archer Moriarty)
Which is WHY i can't scale him properly, his ass somehow goes from your description to keeping up with U-Olga rage, Eresh Anki and somehow for SOME REASON has grand caster rights (I know the reason for that being his summoning capability) but then also get's foddered, bro goes from Potential man to His potential is insane man and then back to potential man
 
Which is WHY i can't scale him properly, his ass somehow goes from your description to keeping up with U-Olga rage, Eresh Anki and somehow for SOME REASON has grand caster rights (I know the reason for that being his summoning capability) but then also get's foddered, bro goes from Potential man to His potential is insane man and then back to potential man
There's a difference between what you can summon and what your physicals are. It's why people like Medea get bodied by Rin, despite Medea undoubtedly being a far stronger caster than her. Some things are just... outliers. Ritsuka's a normal human without many amps to speak of. It's why they generally let servants fight for them.
 
There's a difference between what you can summon and what your physicals are. It's why people like Medea get bodied by Rin, despite Medea undoubtedly being a far stronger caster than her. Some things are just... outliers. Ritsuka's a normal human without many amps to speak of. It's why they generally let servants fight for them.
I guess i just have to-

Wait a sec, Don't summoners have AP scaling of their summons?, Where would ritsuka's AP scale if ritsuka's summons are considered extensions of his AP?
 
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