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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Seems to currently be a very loose scaling chain of: Sea Beast Weapons > Atlas > base Luffy.
The scaling rely on a scene which its more gag based, where the joke its about Atlas actually be a real tangible object rather than a hologram like other stuff in Egghead.



Beside that when Lilith wanted to fight the Straw Hats, Shaka warn her that she was facing an Emperor crew, that both Zoro and Robin are more than capable to kill her with ease despite having the Sea Beast Weapons.



Yeah the scaling proposed has way too many holes to make sense to me.
 
An interesting theory. 🙏

 
Am I crazy for thinkng old gen is still above loki? I’m seeing so many ppl say he’s stronger, and that just doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.
 
Am I crazy for thinkng old gen is still above loki? I’m seeing so many ppl say he’s stronger, and that just doesn’t make a lick of sense to me.

Depends on who you mean by old gen. I can't see many characters fighting evenly with Imu.
 
Depends on who you mean by old gen. I can't see many characters fighting evenly with Emu.
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Depends on who you mean by old gen. I can't see many characters fighting evenly with Imu.
Garp, roger, xebec, Whitebeard, sengoku, etc. Like these characters have been gassed up for hundreds of chapters: king of the pirates, hero of the marines, and. world strongest man only to be powercliffed by Loki? This is like finding out 1+1 doesn't always equal 2.
 
How strong is Cyrano? Cyrano was able to speedblitz a serious battle fighting Ryuma and drew the blade to his neck, which surprised even Ryuma in the first duel.
 
I don't understand people saying Mihawk vs Shanks is just a sword duel without haki and that Mihawk is just better in swordsmanship skills but Shanks is stronger overall cuz of the haki feats he has shown in the series while Mihawk getting stalled by YC4 Vista xd
 
I think that Mihawk held back a lot during that fight. 🙏
 
probably happened when they combined enies lobby keys up to the start of the timeskip

🤔 unsure why but might have to do with cluttering or a change in something in the future (like the multiplier not being accurate or something idrk)
 
Just noticed another weird thing
in the tier section of the Enies Lobby Arc - Paramount War Saga key it notes
even higher with Gear 3rd Strongest Attacks and as Nightmare Luffy
But in the ap section of the same key it doesn't mention Nightmare Luffy at all
Island level+ with Gear 3rd Strongest Attacks (His Giant Bazooka is twice as strong as his normal attacks. Defeated Shadow Asgard Gecko Moria with Gum Gum Giant Jet Shell<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Monkey_D._Luffy_(Pre-Timeskip)#cite_note-18"><span>[</span>12<span>]</span></a><a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Monkey_D._Luffy_(Pre-Timeskip)#cite_note-19"><span>[</span>Statistics Values 7<span>]</span></a>)

which is weird since Nightmare Luffy is noted in the Speed, LS, Striking Strength, and Durability sections
 
Don't get why nightmare luffy is listed as like an additional form for the end of timeskip key when it can only be achieved with outside help, def should be it's own key
 
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