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This was Promised 3000 years ago

AlipheeseXIV

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This was not promised 3000 years ago, nonetheless this is a CRT countless people have been looking forward to for like over a year now, I've been putting it off for awhile but it's finally time to drop Ishmael and the Commandant's updated profiles, along with the page for Watcher Physiology, now seeing as there's way too much stuff to note down in the OP that's changed (and I'm tired it's late) I'm just going to show both variations of the profiles, give them a look at your leisure and tyt.
Ishmael's old profile & Ishmael's new profile
SKK's old profile & SKK's new profile
The new abilities and overhauls are now displayed below for Ishmael we have
Meanwhile for SKK we have
Watcher Physiology is linked above, this CRT comes with just two additional changes;
That's all

Agree: rogueprestonian, Hayato5652, Supreme_chaos18, Mbpoops, Deonment, Xdsagecat, Meduko, Rakih_Elyan, ActuallySpaceMan42
Disagree:
Neutral:
 
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Agreed with all since I just read the Infinite Loop Saga and started on Pilgrimage but the new profiles are kinda rough and could be better formatted.

Also you need to add evidence of Gray Raven’s intelligence as there is no link for evidence proving anything about their extraordinary genius. I would provide the screenshots but I’m not with my PC right now or any time soon.

Apart from that, I agree once again.
 
but the new profiles are kinda rough and could be better formatted.
You're free to explain how and why, maybe we can change something
Also you need to add evidence of Gray Raven’s intelligence as there is no link for evidence proving anything about their extraordinary genius.
There's an entire intelligence section on his Fate Arc Key that has scans and references, if you have a personal bias regarding extraordinary genius intelligence characters (i,e specifically expecting everyone to be a super scientist like Iron man, Spider-Man or Bruce Banner or something) that's an entirely separate matter. The wiki does not differentiate between different areas of intellect, an extraordinary genius can be someone who is at that level in one specific area of intelligence, an example is combat. If this was not the case then plenty of extraordinary genius characters who are not specifically scientists or engineers would not be categorized with said intelligence rating
 
Dream Scying, Astral Projection, Retrocognition & Greater Precognition (Low 1-A; Chaos's ascension and eventual transformation into Agent Zero had managed to effect the Commandant in the past giving him "visions" and "dreams" that were similar to Agent Zero's authority,[23] this allowed him to see beyond his own viewpoint and gaze into the past of other long destroyed multiverses like Dominik's civilization allowing him to see almost all of the Vanguard Team's journey up until Nemo entered the main timeline, with him even observing the events Lee had gone through within the Hetero Tower when fighting the Primal Projection in the Gate.[23][23] His dreams are invisible to all but himself and other Observers like Ishmael[24] allowing him to see all the constantly shifting and deteriorating realities connected to the Hetero Tower,[24] and similarly to Lucia allows him to observe the future through "future information".[25] Additionally this allows him to serve as an anchor point in spacetime which characters like Vonnegut and Alpha can use in order to traverse other universes and layers of the Hetero Tower even when the Hetero Tower no longer exists,[26] which should ordinarily be impossible as the Hetero Tower governs and constrains the manipulation of time and cross universal travel forcing characters to utilize its own attributes to achieve these feats, such as Agent Zero's authority or pass through the Gate to gain higher power[27][28])
A question as to why this does not apply to his first key? I'd also question as to why he doesn't get projection stuff/resistances in that key also, but eh, doesn't matter
Illusion Creation (The Mutated Red Tide is unable to replicate the Commandant's appearance and is never able to turn into an illusion of him[12][12])
This isn't resistance to illusion creation seeing as it isn't him resisting seeing illusions or breaking through illusions
As Chaos
All previous abilities plus:
I'm sure you mean to separate this further, considering the exact previous key is the observer key, and chaos shouldn't have observer powers
Additional Regeneration (Low-Godly; Chaos is capable of regenerating her body even as it was exposed directly to the Hetero Tower's core and began dissolving[39] with the core having the ability to erase the existence of other Hetero-Creatures and even Cradle herself[40][40])
Low Godly requires complete erasure to get, this seems just like resistance to low godly neg
Power Bestowal (Scales to Chaos who was able to turn Vonnegut into a Hetero-Creature[38][38])
Ah yes, Chaos scaling to Chaos

The rest seems fine enough, hopefully haven't glanced over anything
 
A question as to why this does not apply to his first key? I'd also question as to why he doesn't get projection stuff/resistances in that key also, but eh, doesn't matter
Mainly just because we don't have proof that Agent Zero's authority affects him at any earlier point in time prior to chapter 31 (as he never had these visions until that point), as for the projection stuff/resistances similar logic to the former, I could probably make an argument for it but it would hinge on speculation as it's a bit of a grey area
This isn't resistance to illusion creation seeing as it isn't him resisting seeing illusions or breaking through illusions
What would you have it listed as?
I'm sure you mean to separate this further, considering the exact previous key is the observer key, and chaos shouldn't have observer powers
Nah, it does have Observer powers just those of a projection, as this is SKK's higher "gaze" taking over Chaos to just use her body as an avatar (which, for the record, the previous key is also a projection) and I should note that every Projection "technically" has full Observer physiology ofc as...well they wouldn't be a Projection unless the Observer's true form was the one...yknow..."projecting" itself. Just that those abilities are restricted to their true forms ofc, so yeah Chaos is SKK's (2nd) projection, the same way The Primal Projection is Ishmael Parhelion's 2nd projection, it's just avatar shenanigans
Low Godly requires complete erasure to get, this seems just like resistance to low godly neg
Sure I can see that, I guess I'll add it as resistance and then dial back her regen to high (likewise I suppose this would also scale to the other characters who are comparable to or higher than Chaos in regen and also aren't affected by the core to the same degree (ie, Cradle, Observers, etc)
Ah yes, Chaos scaling to Chaos
Lol, it sounds a bit silly right now since I still haven't made the other Chaos's profile, but there are two Chaos's. One is Chaos who was born from a clone of SKK and possesses 80% of his memory data, the other is SKK himself just possessing and overwriting his clones original consciousness after going back in time, typical confusing PGR lore shenanigans
The rest seems fine enough, hopefully haven't glanced over anything
I'd assume so, I had already double, triple, even quadruple checked everything before posting it but naturally people tend to see some feats from different perspectives which is good sometimes, I'll apply the regen change and wait for your response on the illusion thing and then put you as agree if there's nothing else
 
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What would you have it listed as?
Honestly idk, it's weird, but it isn't a resistance to illusion stuff, given there is no shown resistance to illusion stuff
Guess it'd depend on what the reason he can't show up as an illusion is
Nah, it does have Observer powers just those of a projection, as this is SKK's higher "gaze" taking over Chaos to just use her body as an avatar (which, for the record, the previous key is also a projection) and for the record, every Projection "technically" has full Observer physiology ofc as...well they wouldn't be a Projection unless the Observer's true form was the one..yknow..."projecting" itself
I mean, ig, yeah, but it implies they have the BDE2, incorp and whatnot from the higher state
Lol, it sounds a bit silly right now since I still haven't made the other Chaos's profile, but there are two Chaos's. One is Chaos who was born from a clone of SKK and possesses 80% of his memory data, the other is SKK himself just possessing and overwriting his clones original consciousness after going back in time, typical confusing PGR lore shenanigans
Wack but aight
 
Honestly idk, it's weird, but it isn't a resistance to illusion stuff, given there is no shown resistance to illusion stuff
Yeah it is pretty weird, me and some supporters were trying to figure it out off site and genuinely couldn't come up with anything aside from illusion creation (even though as you said he isn't seeing through them or anything)
Guess it'd depend on what the reason he can't show up as an illusion is
The reason he can't show up as an illusion is because he's a "variable" basically, neither the Punishing Virus, Red Tide (even the Mutated version), Huaxu/Gestalt (super AI's that can see countless futures and make a Quattuordecillion calculations in a second yet still can't measure him) nor are they capable of replicating his consciousness data because he's just a irreplaceable and unique existence so...bit hard to say, don't think acaus accounts for something like this
I mean, ig, yeah, but it implies they have the BDE2, incorp and whatnot from the higher state
Oh, my bad did I not make it clear? Next to Watcher Physiology is (Projection) this is meant to show that they (physically) only possess the abilities listed under the Projection part of the page specifically, the true self will always be its own thing
Wack but aight
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The reason he can't show up as an illusion is because he's a "variable" basically, neither the Punishing Virus, Red Tide (even the Mutated version), Huaxu/Gestalt (super AI's that can see countless futures and make a Quattuordecillion calculations in a second yet still can't measure him) nor are they capable of replicating his consciousness data because he's just a irreplaceable and unique existence so...bit hard to say, don't think acaus accounts for something like this
Info analysis resist ig?
Aca could also cover it, but eh
Oh, my bad did I not make it clear? Next to Watcher Physiology is (Projection) this is meant to show that they (physically) only possess the abilities listed under the Projection part of the page specifically, the true self will always be its own thing
Well, no, the implication of all previous abilities is that the character has all of the previous abilities with no exception
 
Info analysis resist ig?
Yeah but that alone doesn't give you a resistance to having an illusion of you created by something or someone else
Well, no, the implication of all previous abilities is that the character has all of the previous abilities with no exception
You make a good point yeah, I guess in that way it could be a little confusing, let me reiterate it on the page
 
I don't really agree with the weapon granting Acausality Type 4. It doesn't really have anything to do with time or causality. Are there laws of causality in-verse?
Yes, that's why it would apply to her, furthermore seeing as the weapon description would include the laws of the lower level of the Hetero Tower (since she fights with and defeats, then absorbs someone who can directly create a core level Gate within the Tower) so the scan stating she isn't bound by any law or theory would also include the Tower's own acausality which is accepted on its profile. For these reasons I think the type 4 is warranted, but if you still disagree with it then that's fine
I'll take a look at the profiles later.
Alright, thanks
 
Yes, that's why it would apply to her, furthermore seeing as the weapon description would include the laws of the lower level of the Hetero Tower (since she fights with and defeats, then absorbs someone who can directly create a core level Gate within the Tower) so the scan stating she isn't bound by any law or theory would also include the Tower's own acausality which is accepted on its profile. For these reasons I think the type 4 is warranted, but if you still disagree with it then that's fine
I guess that's fine then.
 
Due to being the most powerful existences in the verse Projection's would naturally possess all resistances of weaker characters and as shown with
Is there a legitimate reason for this?
Not sure you can count this as a layer, since one is an instance of not being affected by Time Manipulation, and the other is not being affected by something that resists Time Manipulation.
Not sure where the layer is coming from.

Other than this, the Watcher page seems fine.
 
Is there a legitimate reason for this?
Feats and the ability to utilize every single form of the PV to the highest degrees which is where all other abilities and resistances come from anyways
Not sure you can count this as a layer, since one is an instance of not being affected by Time Manipulation, and the other is not being affected by something that resists Time Manipulation.
Both are applications of time slow though by the same character? If not, then sure I can remove it
Not sure where the layer is coming from.
My bad, I must've forgotten to list the scan where Gestalt seals AZ, but honestly I'm gonna remove the layers from there anyways since I'm changing it all to blog format
Other than this, the Watcher page seems fine.
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You have to list the changes between the old and new profiles, because going back and forth comparing them is a bit ridiculous.
That's gonna take a min ngl, either when I get back from work or tomorrow I will do so
 
Feats and the ability to utilize every single form of the PV to the highest degrees which is where all other abilities and resistances come from anyways
Controlling something does not automatically give resistance to everything manifested from it.
Both are applications of time slow though by the same character? If not, then sure I can remove it
One is Lee being unaffected by Time Slow, and the other is someone being unaffected by Lee's Time Slow.

These are both just Time Slow Resistance done by different characters. Resisting Time Slow doesn't make your own Time Slow layered.
 
You say this to me when I ask for dmc wanks
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Controlling something does not automatically give resistance to everything manifested from it.
In PGR it does, because controlling the virus can only be done if you're an Ascendant or Agent, and Ishmael and SKK in particular are verbatim stated to be Agents (aka the highest level) also, if they didn't have resistance then attempting to control it would cause them to be affected because well...the Punishing Virus is, first and foremost, a virus which corrupts other things
One is Lee being unaffected by Time Slow, and the other is someone being unaffected by Lee's Time Slow.

These are both just Time Slow Resistance done by different characters. Resisting Time Slow doesn't make your own Time Slow layered.
Oh okay I see what you mean, maybe the explanation was lacking then. While this is true, Lee resists the Twins time slow and resists his own time slow as well (hence why he can move within it), Primal Projection, like him is also resistant to his time slow. I could clear that up, however if it still doesn't suffice then it can be removed
 
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