Paraconsistent Physiology Checklist

[Udlmaster]

Not really? Doesn't type 3 literally default to 4 truth states? You have to be neither A (1), nor not A (2), nor both A and not A (3), nor neither A nor not A (4), don't think type 3 can be anything less than 4 states

5 is the minimum:

Plurality: Beings which exist beyond the confines of classical logic in general, in a fashion that they may occupy truth values other than "true", "false", "true and false" and "neither true nor false". This includes characters existing in a nondual state regarding all logical dual systems within an entire level of reality in a way that makes them exist beyond the truth values of classical logic, instead operating on a many-valued logic system with at least five truth values. Such characters occupy a state where they are neither A, nor not A, nor both A and not A, nor neither A nor not A, instead existing in a state one can't describe using simple combinations of A and not A.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

5 is the minimum:

True yeah, since not being apart of any of them is +1 to begin with

 

[Re5yh]

Lucifer's is fine, but I can't even check the second one; the link doesn't work.

I fixed it

 

[Omazio2019]

I wouldn't say ruling/governing over dualities grants PP. Plus, the immunity stuff seems to come from some sort of Attack Reflection.

This is new draft of his reasons for PP

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2; He merged with his complete opposite (negative) self, Ura Sougo, who represents the Mirror World〈a world that exists as the other side of the same coin in relation to the real world〉. Ura Sougo embodies not only the Mirror World but also the dark side of Heisei-era history. Through this merger, Sougo integrated every aspect of reality, encompassing an infinite set of dualistic pairs: good and evil, light and darkness, inside and outside, life and death, past and future, positive and negative; these being the truths (values) imposed upon everything in the world, referred to by the producer as symbolic duality. This fusion makes him a paradoxical existence that is beyond human comprehension, which is bound by the instinct to draw boundary lines and divide all things, a simultaneous existence yet lacks the concepts of opposing dualities, ruling and transcending them entirely, thereby rendering him immune to any principles based on such dualistic structures)

 

[Apotheosis69]

True yeah, since not being apart of any of them is +1 to begin with

You agree now? It's fine if not

 

[Digital_Franz]

I knew this was going to happen.

One thing I would like clarified is whether the Outer Gods themselves possess the properties of Chaos. Since being born from something isn't the same as having it's characteristics.

Outer Gods are Chaos, possess the power of Chaos, and when beings become Outer Gods, their entire existence becomes Chaos.

And just to clarify things, Good and Evil fulfill the requirements to be a duality, and the same goes for the others.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I knew this was going to happen.

Outer Gods are Chaos, possess the power of Chaos, and when beings become Outer Gods, their entire existence becomes Chaos.

And just to clarify things, Good and Evil fulfill the requirements to be a duality, and the same goes for the others.

That's fine then. If you ever get the chance to add it to the PP Reasoning, you should.

Any proof of immunity?

 

[QualifiedDunlin100]

a question but Geniuenly what does pp to good and evil even grant?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2; He merged with his complete opposite (negative) self, Ura Sougo, who represents the Mirror World〈a world that exists as the other side of the same coin in relation to the real world〉. Ura Sougo embodies not only the Mirror World but also the dark side of Heisei-era history. Through this merger, Sougo integrated every aspect of reality, encompassing an infinite set of dualistic pairs: good and evil, light and darkness, inside and outside, life and death, past and future, positive and negative; these being the truths (values) imposed upon everything in the world, referred to by the producer as symbolic duality. This fusion makes him a paradoxical existence that is beyond human comprehension, which is bound by the instinct to draw boundary lines and divide all things, a simultaneous existence yet lacks the concepts of opposing dualities, ruling and transcending them entirely, thereby rendering him immune to any principles based on such dualistic structures)

You would have to get this accepted in a CRT; this isn't the place for proposals.

a question but Geniuenly what does pp to good and evil even grant?

Nothing, most forms of PP don't grant anything.

 

[RaikiKurohane99]

What do you think about Warhammer Immunities?

Based on this, Aethyr would retain its Paraconsistent Physiology as its both the Thesis and the Antithesis. Since the duality here is one which the entire cosmology (or at least the part that isn't Paraconsistent, as I'm not familiar with its cosmology), I think Type 2 is fine as well.
As for the Aethyric Void, assuming it is different from The Aethyr, and "everything", it can retain its type 3 since it is both Everything (including A, Not A, and Both A and Not A) as well as Nothing (Neither A nor Not A) at the same time.
However, if "Everything" does not include the Ayther, it should simply be Type 2.
I assume Aethyric Void > Aethyr as one has Type 2 and the other Type 3 currently.

I see that Kamen Rider Zio's justification talks about immunity stuff but its outdated

The things listed in this scan seem to be more about contraries rather than contradictories.

Good and Evil, Past and Future, Life and Death, these are all contraries and not logical opposites. Inside and Outside is also not strictly logical in nature. A wall separating both is neither inside nor outside, but it is not Paraconsistent.

Um, I was thinking about this pp 2, even though it's a negation, can it be reviewed?

Sakamaki Izayoi​

I had seen it a long time ago, thinking about a battle against Rimuru.

These are also just contraries, not logical contradictories. So they won't qualify.

Needless to say WoD would still possess Type 3,



For Spirits even, we're directly told that Plurality and Duality are Spirits that reside in the Umbra and one guy taking a heroic amount of LSD debated the idea (spirit) of duality on the side of Plurality.

This qualifies quite easily

This is PP from DC/Vertigo Lucifer's profile and it's rated type 1 for him existing in the Void

But if you check the Void profile, it is already rated Type 2 which it also exists beyond the Presence's plan

I think Type 2 is not sutable

Unless Life and Death have more context, such as being equated to some form of existence and nonexistence, this is not Paraconsistency at all as these wouldn't be enough for Logical Dualities

Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 3 - The Outer Gods are the same type of existences as the Constellations. Without their physical manifestations, Outer Gods are beings born from Chaos and rooted in the Outer Universe which is a Void, the sheer lack of existence, Chaos being "something" that exists outside the order of the World, a disorder which inherently lacks qualities and differentiations including nonexistence and existence, laws, logic, Life and Death, fate, plot, fundamental information that are erased from within it and causality. The qualities and distinctions that are part of the Order of the World pair completely with their opposites to form Dualities such as Good and Evil, Yin and Yang, Nonexistence and Existence, Life and Death, Reality and Fiction etc. and some are encompassed by "Walls" which are fragments of Final Wall. Ultimately chaos cannot be recorded by Final Wall) - Species (Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint)

I honestly don't see how this is Paraconsistency.

For one, the linked scans do not actualy show that Chaos is outside Existence and Nonexistence. This scan only shows that you can resist existence erasure, or conversion from existence to nonexistence, with the power of Chaos. While this scan shows that Chaos itself is Nonexistence.

The other relations are not even logical dualities. They are also contraries, such as Good and Evil, Yin and Yang, etc.
You need a lot of context to say Yin and Yang are logical dualities, because while they can qualify as such, it's not a default assumption that a simple mention of them is the same.

Based on this I think its Paraconsistency should be removed entirely.

I knew this was going to happen.


Outer Gods are Chaos, possess the power of Chaos, and when beings become Outer Gods, their entire existence becomes Chaos.

And just to clarify things, Good and Evil fulfill the requirements to be a duality, and the same goes for the others.

Good and Evil itself should qualify for a duality based on Evil = Not Good Dichotomy, but only a specific one. So Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1) would be appropriate.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Based on this, Aethyr would retain its Paraconsistent Physiology as its both the Thesis and the Antithesis. Since the duality here is one which the entire cosmology (or at least the part that isn't Paraconsistent, as I'm not familiar with its cosmology), I think Type 2 is fine as well.
As for the Aethyric Void, assuming it is different from The Aethyr, and "everything", it can retain its type 3 since it is both Everything (including A, Not A, and Both A and Not A) as well as Nothing (Neither A nor Not A) at the same time.
However, if "Everything" does not include the Ayther, it should simply be Type 2.
I assume Aethyric Void > Aethyr as one has Type 2 and the other Type 3 currently.

I was referring to DaReaper's proof that they have immunity due to their PP Nature.

Unless Life and Death have more context, such as being equated to some form of existence and nonexistence, this is not Paraconsistency at all as these wouldn't be enough for Logical Dualities

Ah, right, forgot about the rock thing.

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

These are also just contraries, not logical contradictories. So they won't qualify.

So does it qualify or not? According to Spaceman, it's fine .

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

So does it qualify or not? According to Spaceman, it's fine .

It qualifies for Type 1.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

From the Ultimate Gods:

• Omnipresence & Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2 - The Ultimate Gods exist in the highest level of reality, the "All-in-One and One-in-All" and true oneness of existence that "belies all local perspectives and partial views" and the multiplicity that comes of them, abolishing and trivializing distinction and making everything identical)

The same description repeats for Azz and Yog

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

You agree now? It's fine if not

Well nah I wasn't specifically disagreeing or anything, I just wanted to add emphasis to that and have someone else clarify it, I imagine since type 3 has always been the most difficult one to get (and hasn't generally been changed much to begin with) most verses that qualified before probably still do now

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

The same description repeats for Azz and Yog

Cthulhu is going through a potential revision, so I wouldn't evaluate it yet.

 

[Apotheosis69]

Well nah I wasn't specifically disagreeing or anything, I just wanted to add emphasis to that and have someone else clarify it, I imagine since type 3 has always been the most difficult one to get (and hasn't generally been changed much to begin with) most verses that qualified before probably still do now

Understandable. I do think it is for the best demonstrating it

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Understandable. I do think it is for the best demonstrating it

Fair enough

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I would bring up Slay the Princess but that has already been evaluated with PP standards so probably no point

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

I would bring up Slay the Princess but that has already been evaluated with PP standards so probably no point

Yeah, it's pretty textbook.

 

[Digital_Franz]

Any proof of immunity?

I'm going to gather the evidence for that.

For one, the linked scans do not actualy show that Chaos is outside Existence and Nonexistence.

They show that Chaos is outside the order of the world.

This scan only shows that you can resist existence erasure, or conversion from existence to nonexistence, with the power of Chaos.

Not really. It's resisting the power of Chaos itself because the dragon itself is born from Chaos and that flick-tail is a Chaos attack.

While this scan shows that Chaos itself is Nonexistence.

That Void is actually not Chaos, but because it's a void without scenario it completely lacks existence. But it's still within the order of the world. While Chaos erases everything, and that includes that Void as well.

Good and Evil itself should qualify for a duality based on Evil = Not Good Dichotomy, but only a specific one. So Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1) would be appropriate.

There's a lot of context for Type 3, as Chaos isn't only neither Good nor Evil. I think everything was handled here. For the other dualities, they're just like Good and Evil, showcased by Reality and Fiction with its wall being of the same nature as the wall of Good and Evil (basically they divide the world and they're all "aspects" of Final Wall). Everything in the verse has a story and they pretty much act like sentient beings. So yeah they're either alive or dead lwk.