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Paraconsistent Physiology Checklist
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AlipheeseXIV
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True yeah, since not being apart of any of them is +1 to begin with
Re5yh
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I fixed it
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This is new draft of his reasons for PP
Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 2; He merged with his complete opposite (negative) self, Ura Sougo, who represents the Mirror World〈a world that exists as the other side of the same coin in relation to the real world〉. Ura Sougo embodies not only the Mirror World but also the dark side of Heisei-era history. Through this merger, Sougo integrated every aspect of reality, encompassing an infinite set of dualistic pairs: good and evil, light and darkness, inside and outside, life and death, past and future, positive and negative; these being the truths (values) imposed upon everything in the world, referred to by the producer as symbolic duality. This fusion makes him a paradoxical existence that is beyond human comprehension, which is bound by the instinct to draw boundary lines and divide all things, a simultaneous existence yet lacks the concepts of opposing dualities, ruling and transcending them entirely, thereby rendering him immune to any principles based on such dualistic structures)
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You agree now? It's fine if not
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Outer Gods are Chaos, possess the power of Chaos, and when beings become Outer Gods, their entire existence becomes Chaos.
And just to clarify things, Good and Evil fulfill the requirements to be a duality, and the same goes for the others.
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That's fine then. If you ever get the chance to add it to the PP Reasoning, you should.
Any proof of immunity?
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a question but Geniuenly what does pp to good and evil even grant?
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You would have to get this accepted in a CRT; this isn't the place for proposals.
Nothing, most forms of PP don't grant anything.
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Based on this, Aethyr would retain its Paraconsistent Physiology as its both the Thesis and the Antithesis. Since the duality here is one which the entire cosmology (or at least the part that isn't Paraconsistent, as I'm not familiar with its cosmology), I think Type 2 is fine as well.
As for the Aethyric Void, assuming it is different from The Aethyr, and "everything", it can retain its type 3 since it is both Everything (including A, Not A, and Both A and Not A) as well as Nothing (Neither A nor Not A) at the same time.
However, if "Everything" does not include the Ayther, it should simply be Type 2.
I assume Aethyric Void > Aethyr as one has Type 2 and the other Type 3 currently.
The things listed in this scan seem to be more about contraries rather than contradictories.
Good and Evil, Past and Future, Life and Death, these are all contraries and not logical opposites. Inside and Outside is also not strictly logical in nature. A wall separating both is neither inside nor outside, but it is not Paraconsistent.
These are also just contraries, not logical contradictories. So they won't qualify.
This qualifies quite easily
Unless Life and Death have more context, such as being equated to some form of existence and nonexistence, this is not Paraconsistency at all as these wouldn't be enough for Logical Dualities
I honestly don't see how this is Paraconsistency.Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 3 - The Outer Gods are the same type of existences as the Constellations. Without their physical manifestations, Outer Gods are beings born from Chaos and rooted in the Outer Universe which is a Void, the sheer lack of existence, Chaos being "something" that exists outside the order of the World, a disorder which inherently lacks qualities and differentiations including nonexistence and existence, laws, logic, Life and Death, fate, plot, fundamental information that are erased from within it and causality. The qualities and distinctions that are part of the Order of the World pair completely with their opposites to form Dualities such as Good and Evil, Yin and Yang, Nonexistence and Existence, Life and Death, Reality and Fiction etc. and some are encompassed by "Walls" which are fragments of Final Wall. Ultimately chaos cannot be recorded by Final Wall) - Species (Omniscient Reader's Viewpoint)
For one, the linked scans do not actualy show that Chaos is outside Existence and Nonexistence. This scan only shows that you can resist existence erasure, or conversion from existence to nonexistence, with the power of Chaos. While this scan shows that Chaos itself is Nonexistence.
The other relations are not even logical dualities. They are also contraries, such as Good and Evil, Yin and Yang, etc.
You need a lot of context to say Yin and Yang are logical dualities, because while they can qualify as such, it's not a default assumption that a simple mention of them is the same.
Based on this I think its Paraconsistency should be removed entirely.
Good and Evil itself should qualify for a duality based on Evil = Not Good Dichotomy, but only a specific one. So Paraconsistent Physiology (Type 1) would be appropriate.
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I was referring to DaReaper's proof that they have immunity due to their PP Nature.
Ah, right, forgot about the rock thing.
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So does it qualify or not? According to Spaceman, it's fine
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It qualifies for Type 1.So does it qualify or not? According to Spaceman, it's fine
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AlipheeseXIV
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Well nah I wasn't specifically disagreeing or anything, I just wanted to add emphasis to that and have someone else clarify it, I imagine since type 3 has always been the most difficult one to get (and hasn't generally been changed much to begin with) most verses that qualified before probably still do now
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Cthulhu is going through a potential revision, so I wouldn't evaluate it yet.
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Understandable. I do think it is for the best demonstrating it
AlipheeseXIV
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Fair enough
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I would bring up Slay the Princess but that has already been evaluated with PP standards so probably no point
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Yeah, it's pretty textbook.
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I'm going to gather the evidence for that.
They show that Chaos is outside the order of the world.
Not really. It's resisting the power of Chaos itself because the dragon itself is born from Chaos and that flick-tail is a Chaos attack.
That Void is actually not Chaos, but because it's a void without scenario it completely lacks existence. But it's still within the order of the world. While Chaos erases everything, and that includes that Void as well.
There's a lot of context for Type 3, as Chaos isn't only neither Good nor Evil. I think everything was handled here. For the other dualities, they're just like Good and Evil, showcased by Reality and Fiction with its wall being of the same nature as the wall of Good and Evil (basically they divide the world and they're all "aspects" of Final Wall). Everything in the verse has a story and they pretty much act like sentient beings. So yeah they're either alive or dead lwk.
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Since its said only Rune magic (or whatever it is) can effect the "acursed things", while all other attacks are ineffectual, I would say yes, it would be enough to grant immunity, or at least a high level of resistance that can only be countered by an equivalent negation of Type 2.
Per our page:
We require even specific dualities to be logical in nature.
I think the original idea that contraries or things like "Life and Death/Black and White/Creation and Destruction" came from this post and the few posts surrounding it. However, that understanding seems to have been overturned on the next pages.
Things like Yin and Yang, Good and Evil, etc. are not exhausting all possibilities. For example, a rock is neither good nor bad, neither alive nor dead, neither good nor evil. But it is not paraconsistent.
Moving on from there, the additional requirements for Type 2 ultimately become "does some reality have only one logical duality, or multiple, and in either cases, is that logical duality (/ies) exhausting all possibilities from all perspectives of reality, or just one or arbitrarily many, but not all. Alternatively, it is whether all those different dualities have a common underlying essence that can be classified as a "general" duality or not.
For instance, "Life and Non-Life" is one set of properties. It is not all. If there two logical dualities, such as "Life and Non-Life" and "Existence and Nonexistence", but both dual systems are treated as different (i.e., Existence can have its own duality of life and non-life, while nonexistence can have its own notion of those things, or life can have both existent things as well as nonexistent things, and vice versa), those are specific dualities. Being beyond the duality of life and non-life would not necessarily make you beyond existence and non-existence, and vice versa. In those cases, we grant this type of paraconsistency Type 1.
On the other hand, if all dualities have a common ground in some setting, such as Life = Existence and Non-life = Nonexistence, Life being the Universe and Non-life being whatever is outside/not the universe, in this case, by being beyond life and non-life, you must necessarily be beyond existence and nonexistence as well.
A verse can also establish some other system of duality as the "general" duality or general perspective of differentiation, and we'd classify the transcendence over that as Type 2.
Though, of course, as long as a verse has sufficient proof that Death is Non-life (i.e., by making even Undead be encompassed as "dead"-side), or Yin and Yang where Yang = Universe as a whole and Yin = Outside the Universe, or equating these contraries to actual contradictiories (existence = yang and nonexistence = yin, which is relatively common in fiction), we can classify them as valid logical dualities. And the standards for whether they'd be type 1 or type 2 would be the same aforementioned.
There are quite a bit of conversations in the thread, so I will prefer just taking the list, starting from the bottom and making our way up evaluating each character.
Also, some may disagree with the standards altogether, but please keep that to either another thread or a staff's message wall.
Checking through the link provided:
1. The Ultimate Gods are beyond multiplicity and individuality.
2. They lack the differentiation betweeen Self (A) and everything else that isn't Self (Not A).
3. They are beyond local perspectives that allow beings to view existence from different angles.
4. All-in-One and One-in-All
I think this should be enough for Type 2, personally. This example of "X" and "Everything that isn't X" should encompass all logical dualities within a level of reality, and it seems the Ultimate Gods encompass all of reality as well, so even better.
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So, although Wang Wei currently doesn't have PP (he used to have it but then we had to change it since he didn't have the full on Nothingness that granted that). But, Nothingness, which was PP, should still qualify when I make the next keys for him (Whenever I get to that)
First scan is this;
Was enlightened on the concept of nothingness, with his body gaining intangibility of nothingness, with his soul and mind becoming intangible, and him becoming intangible to all things, including the laws that govern the universe, which would include the Law of Wuji (Nothingness) which is the state of non-distinction, without boundaries)
There are a ton of laws ngl, one of them being Yin and Yang shenanigans, and has stuff such as Realness and Falseness. There is also a very direct statement of Yin and Yang containing Truth and False, and even controlling it.
There is also stuff like World of Lies and hence there must be World of Truths.
The reason Wang Wei doesn't have it is, well, he didn't really comprehend all of it, and had to compromise a lot to make a much weaker version and stuff (Although it might genuinely still be PP, but that requires a CRT. He still isn't affected by Laws and stuff in this state)
Just wanted to mention it, since technically speaking, Nothingness and even one of its lower stages should still have PP, regardless if it is used yet or not.
First scan is this;
Was enlightened on the concept of nothingness, with his body gaining intangibility of nothingness, with his soul and mind becoming intangible, and him becoming intangible to all things, including the laws that govern the universe, which would include the Law of Wuji (Nothingness) which is the state of non-distinction, without boundaries)
There are a ton of laws ngl, one of them being Yin and Yang shenanigans, and has stuff such as Realness and Falseness. There is also a very direct statement of Yin and Yang containing Truth and False, and even controlling it.
There is also stuff like World of Lies and hence there must be World of Truths.
The reason Wang Wei doesn't have it is, well, he didn't really comprehend all of it, and had to compromise a lot to make a much weaker version and stuff (Although it might genuinely still be PP, but that requires a CRT. He still isn't affected by Laws and stuff in this state)
Just wanted to mention it, since technically speaking, Nothingness and even one of its lower stages should still have PP, regardless if it is used yet or not.
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This thread isn't for evaluating PP; it's for checking if profiles that used to have Transduality or Nonduality still meet standards.
Rikimarox2
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But the thing is, this thing should still be on the profile in the future. It is already approved in a CRT, and I'd much rather not have it be here to "check it". Basically, this stuff is already accepted, would be in the profile in the future (same exact justification), and if it isn't evaluated rn, it'd be evaluated later when it is in the profile. So I figured I just put it here rn and be done with it.
If this isn't allowed or something, then my bad. Just wanted to mention it. You can delete the comments if you think it shouldn't be done.
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If it's going to be added to the profile, then you don't have to have it evaluated here.
As I said, this is to check outdated stuff. If something is accepted as PP under the new standards, then it's already been evaluated, so you don't need to post it here.
Rikimarox2
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Ah, the CRT was quite a while ago (I think a year or so), but I do think it met the standards before. Not sure if it requires to be evaluated right now just in case since it had been a while, but oh well. Thanks!
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