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Top 15 Strongest Non-Smurfs for Every Tier Continuation 4.0

ShakeResounding said:
Ayy, I completely missed that! 6-D, right? Congrats!

I believe the top dogs can be placed back alongside the same slot as Game Sonic top tiers, as they have notoriously and repeatedly incon'd more than once (and like, over a year apart iirc).
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I think that's fine, yeah.
 
Rikimarox2 said:
I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, but I assume you mean you agree with Neo taking the spot, since he can act independently from his body? I'm not certain if there are any feats of him being technically incapped and being able to do something (mainly because, there are legit no incap for him lmao. His entire body could be screwed (including brain) and he could still do stuff). I do however, recall him just discarding his body and doing shit as spirit/soul, as that is very common.

Furthermore, I would assume his own aura would do some stuff here, since it is powernull, but eh.
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Bump on this. Neo Hargraves should take the third spot in 5-B, as agreed here and like, the 2-3 messages after.
 
Hmm, since we currently don't treat "insignificant" dimensions as smurfery...
Scion and Tohu for High 6-A, and like, I'm genuinely confident they can take up to 6th but can't bypass the invul (unless it doesn't block the EE or Stilling)
Meng Qi (who really should be higher), Administrators and Jimmy all do not resist Stilling or an All or Nothing from Tohu, with them also being well and unable to kill scion in any way that matters as they can't reach the Warrior Entity (and if they do, they die anyway)
The beast does actually have a resistance to Stilling (kinda, but I'm not willing to argue it), can't kill scion though, but does die to Tohu who has a genuine million and one ways to kill him, thanks to being a nigh verse composite, such as yeeting him to another dimension, going to another dimension itself and making a bomb that stops him in time forever, or just hitting him with an all or nothing like one of the space explosions, but what is fact is that Tohu is not playing fair, and is not staying close.
Byleth dies to Stilling or Tohu ad nauseum until she can't rewind time anymore
Rafaam runs into the issue of Endbringers Trumping Trumps (name for people who **** with powers in verse) which includes those who copy or steal powers, and Scion is much much worse in that regard, and even if he could, he either runs into one of the best precogs on the wiki triggering, resulting in Scion popping his avatar body to dodge the first attempt to then reform the body behind Rafaam and Doctor Manhattan him, or the WE cuts off the power, and spawns in a new avatar that does the afformentioned Doctor Manhattanning. Or Scion just using stilling to null it, lmao
Adam runs into the issue of both of the characters not caring. Tohu just literally not having a mind or soul and resisting power null before blasting him (though ig there's an argument based on what exactly Tabris' field negated, but that doesn't really matter here), and Scion having a decent argument for not having such a mind or soul, and even if he did, the avatar would not be where it was located, and even if the avatar itself had such a thing, Scion would just come back and blast him with stilling.
Aisha runs into the issue of not actually having her eyes in this key, instantly triggering PtV, and getting blasted with stilling before she can attempt to pull up anti magic
Willverse simply just has the issue of invul here, otherwise I'm pretty confident in their loss, so they get stopped there
 
Lou_change said:
Aren't actual shards 4d in parahumans?
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Parahumans dimensions are insignificant rn, but that isn't actually relevant for any shard, since they still reside within a single earth and all
The Warrior Entity (of which scion is a projection, but to continue my point) is the one that's more 4D ig is the phrasing I'd use? Seeing as his mass/being is projected across a set of parallel earths rather than existing on a single one like the rest of the shards.
Planck69 said:
They are, but since their extent is unknown, they're technically not Tier 2 in scale.
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They quite literally can't be tier 2 in scale, at least with how our standards are currently, as that'd break the story and setting seeing as the main goal of the entities is to solve entropy (and thus propagate infinitely) lol, and if they had high 3-A or tier 2 energies, I'd imagine they'd have solved such a bit ago before the start of the series
 
Deonment said:
Parahumans dimensions are insignificant rn, but that isn't actually relevant for any shard, since they still reside within a single earth and all
The Warrior Entity (of which scion is a projection, but to continue my point) is the one that's more 4D ig is the phrasing I'd use? Seeing as his mass/being is projected across a set of parallel earths rather than existing on a single one like the rest of the shards.

They quite literally can't be tier 2 in scale, at least with how our standards are currently, as that'd break the story and setting seeing as the main goal of the entities is to solve entropy (and thus propagate infinitely) lol, and if they had high 3-A or tier 2 energies, I'd imagine they'd have solved such a bit ago before the start of the series
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Oh, I'm aware. I've read Worm (years back) and can recall that much.

My main point is that while not large, they're not compact planck dimensions and it'd be up to Dragonite on how to treat that.

Edit: Doesnt Scion travel between universes though? Pretty sure that'd be smurf range.
 
Planck69 said:
My main point is that while not large, they're not compact planck dimensions and it'd be up to Dragonite on how to treat that.
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I mean, depending on how you consider the whole 10^90 earths statement...
But fair, though I do remember us allowing non-significant 4D+ dimensions on this list, (ie time manip) so idk
Planck69 said:
Edit: Doesnt Scion travel between universes though? Pretty sure that'd be smurf range.
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Scion only travels between singular universes ala interdimensional which isn't and hasn't been smurf to my understanding
Stilling can hit things in other universes (and isn't like sting, which exists in every universe), and he can view things in multiple universes and whatnot, do not think those are smurf, but idk, depends on the ruling about insignificant dimensions
 
Deonment said:
I mean, depending on how you consider the whole 10^90 earths statement...
But fair, though I do remember us allowing non-significant 4D+ dimensions on this list, (ie time manip) so idk

Scion only travels between singular universes ala interdimensional which isn't and hasn't been smurf to my understanding
Stilling can hit things in other universes (and isn't like sting, which exists in every universe), and he can view things in multiple universes and whatnot, do not think those are smurf, but idk, depends on the ruling about insignificant dimensions
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I mean, both those things are smurf range. Unless Worm is somehow a quilted multiverse, which it isnt to my knowledge, then this is just multiversal range (cause I recall he nuked Eurasia on two separate universes at once).
 
Planck69 said:
I mean, both those things are smurf range. Unless Worm is somehow a quilted multiverse, which it isnt to my knowledge, then this is just multiversal range (cause I recall he nuked Eurasia on two separate universes at once).
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Yeah but we literally don't treat that as anything beyond inter/extradimensional because he doesn't affect the entire universe, so it just gets the rating, and those ratings aren't considered smurf otherwise for example the hunter or dark souls folk wouldn't be here due to their summoning items and whatnot
 
I thought 4d counted regardless of tiering given the only parahuman characters that made it to my knowledge at this point are the endbringers which don't have shards.
 
Lou_change said:
I thought 4d counted regardless of tiering given the only parahuman characters that made it to my knowledge at this point are the endbringers which don't have shards.
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No, the endbringers very explicitly still derive their powers from shards; they were literally created by and powered from Eidolon's shard, and their own physiology is as a result of some very ***** dimensional shenanigans that involves mass shunting to other earths and whatnot
 
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