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Hello everyone, before I begin, I ask that you stay on topic and remain respectful, as I am only trying to correct the mistakes.
Today I will remove NEP 1 and NEP 3 as well, of course because their justifications are incorrect, since the time they were obtained is outdated (dating back to 2022). So today I will try to explain this matter.
This is the justification present in the character profile Guenael Lee:
Version 1 hides his form and makes him invisible.
Version 2 makes his existence disappear and places him completely outside the opponent's perception, as though he were entirely nonexistent from the opponent's perspective. However, you still exist, but your existence is nonexistent to the opponent, and even touching you becomes impossible as well.
Version 3, which is his strongest version, erases his existence from his opponent's memory.
Now let me prove this from the anime itself.
Version 1 is simply the disappearance of his form, making him invisible, and our issue is not with this version.
Version 2:
In this scene, Yachiru throws a punch at Guenael Lee and fails to hit him even though the punch passed through his face, and this proves that he is intangible in Version 2, as I said.
So in Version 2, he also cannot be touched. However, as everyone can see, he still exists, and Yachiru was also able to determine his location through her instincts. This is what surprised Guenael Lee and led him to call her an animal, because in Version 2 his entire existence disappears from her perspective and he cannot be perceived at all. Despite that, Yachiru charged at him, threw a punch at his face, and located him, while that punch passed through his face because he was in Version 2. It should have been impossible for her to determine his location, yet when she told him that she moved by instinct, he described her as an animal.
As everyone can see, he is clearly surprised, and even his eye pops out from the shock because she was able to determine his location despite him being in Version 2, where his existence completely disappears from her perspective.
And here he describes her as an animal ↓
This is evidence for everything I said, and the conclusion from all of this is that in this Version 2 his existence disappears from the opponent’s perception, as he himself stated.
As everyone can see, this is about perception, as I have always been saying. In short, what happens in Version 2 has nothing to do with NEP.
1. He exists, and the proof is that Yachiru can determine his location through her instincts, which means he is still present.
2. When his existence disappears from the opponent’s perception completely in this version, he becomes as if he does not exist to them, and he cannot even be touched in this state (intangibility).
3. This proves that he exists and has a specific location within space that can be targeted and attacked, but he cannot be touched. This version makes him completely nonexistent from the opponent’s perspective. Guenael Lee was still surprised, however, that Yachiru was able to determine his location through instinct alone while in a state of rage and still land a punch—yet the punch passed through him, and he called her an animal.
Now we continue:
Here, Guenael Lee attacks angrily with his sword in order to kill Yachiru, but at that moment he sensed something and immediately activated Version 2 in order to avoid Yachiru’s attack. He successfully avoided the attack in Version 2, where Yachiru’s sword passed through him without causing any effect. He then jumped back while still in Version 2, where his form appears greenish-black and slightly distorted; his eyes are visible, but he cannot be touched or perceived by the opponent. The sword passed through him, and he leapt backward. When he landed on the ground, just one moment later his head exploded while still in Version 2, and he returned to his normal state.
The sword passes through his face, thereby avoiding the attack.
He jumped backward in Version 2, and we can see him:
Here, he is still in Version 2, and look now how that attack hit him while he is in Version 2, even though he is intangible and evaded the attack and everything, and he is completely nonexistent from her perspective.
And here is the scene as well, you can watch it here ↓
As everyone can see, that attack passed around him and he dodged it and jumped away while in Version 2. After landing on the ground at a distance, as a result of that attack, and while still in Version 2, he immediately returned to his normal state and exited Version 2 after being hit by the attack even while in that state.
Here, Yachiru tells him that after releasing her power, her sword in this state can hit the target whether they dodge the attack or not, and this is the reason why the sword still hit him even while he was in Version 2, even though he had already evaded the attack, because the attack had already passed through him in the first place.
Responding to some counterarguments:
What you said is not correct and is not supported by what is shown in the scene. Guenael did not return to his normal state by his own will. Rather, the attack that passed around his head due to his intangibility affected him after he jumped backward and landed on the ground, while he was still in Version 2. This resulted in his Version 2 state being canceled. It was not that he returned to his normal state first and then got hit by the attack that had passed around him. No—as you can see in the image before you, the attack tore through his face while he was still in Version 2, which caused his Version 2 existence to be canceled.
Yachiru’s ability is also not as you described it. Your explanation contradicts the ability of her sword, because Yachiru herself states that her sword hits the target whether they dodge the attack or not. This is the reason why the sword affected him even after he dodged the attack in Version 2, and while he was still in Version 2 as well. As you can see before you, the attack affected him in Version 2 itself, and this is the image ↓
And here is the scene as well, you can watch it here ↓
As you can see, the scene is completely clear. The attack hit him while he was in Version 2, and because of this, he returned to his normal state against his will. He was surprised and said, "What??" while holding his face after taking the attack in Version 2, and thus he returned to his normal form involuntarily.
What happens is simply that his existence disappears only from the opponents’ point of view. His existence disappears from their perception, and he becomes as though completely nonexistent to them, while he still exists.
Guenael has a location, and his location can be identified through Yachiru’s instincts. If he were truly in a state of nonexistence, sensing his existence through instinct would be completely impossible. You cannot perceive, sense, or determine the location of something that does not exist, because it is nonexistent and therefore has no place where it exists to be identified. Yet here, Yachiru located him through her instincts and threw a punch at him, even though it passed through him, which caused Guenael to become surprised and angry. He could not believe that she had perceived his location through instinct alone and afterward described her as an animal. I already sent the images in the comment here.
You ignored half of the replies in the comment even though I pointed out many contradictions that refute your argument. Even the points you did respond to are not correct and contradict what is shown in the scene.
Anyone here can see that he was struck while still in Version 2 itself, which led to it being canceled against his will, because Yachiru’s sword is capable of hitting the target whether they dodge the attack or not. That is exactly what happened. This is the sword’s ability. So when he dodged the attack and moved backward, the attack still affected him afterward while he was still in Version 2, which forced him to return to his original state against his own will while he was clearly surprised.
Conclusion:
• He becomes nonexistent only from the opponent’s perception, as he himself said when he stated that he was nonexistent only to you.
• He has a specific location, and this is not a trait of someone in a true state of nonexistence, since Yachiru was able to determine his position and throw a punch that passed through him, which surprised Guenael because she identified his location through instinct and called her an animal. This means he has an actual location.
• She managed to hit him in Version 2, which caused him to return to his original state against his will.
• He can move and jump in Version 2, and he also has a greenish-black form while his eye remains visible or glowing. In this state he becomes intangible because he is nonexistent from the opponent’s perspective, which is why the opponent cannot hit him, except that Yachiru’s sword ability allowed her to strike him while he was in Version 2.
All of these points argue against him being in a true state of nonexistence.
A character in a state of nonexistence does not have a form, cannot be struck, and does not have a fixed location. They also cannot be sensed through instinct because they do not exist in the first place—so how could something nonexistent be sensed through instinct alone?
Frankly, I do not agree with you, and you also did not address everything. I have now explained that there are many contradictions here. And if you still disagree after this comment, then it would be better not to reply to me.
Conclusion here:
In Version 2, his existence completely disappears from the opponent’s perception, as if he does not exist at all from the opponent’s point of view. He cannot be sensed or interacted with in any way because he is nonexistent to you, and he cannot even be touched, even though he still exists.
• His location can still be identified, and a punch can be directed at him, as Yachiru did using her instincts, which surprised Guenael Lee that she was able to locate him even in this state, where he is nonexistent from her perception. However, he still exists, and his form is still present. He remains in a greenish-black, slightly distorted version of his normal appearance. He can jump into the air and land on the ground, as happened when Yachiru’s attack passed through his head.
His head can also be injured even in Version 2, and the proof is that when he was hit in Version 2, the state was immediately canceled and he returned to his normal form, with his face bleeding because the attack had passed through his head when Yachiru struck him while he was in Version 2. This confirms what I said: he remains in Version 2 with his full body, head, and position intact, but he is intangible and nonexistent from the opponent’s perception, appearing in his usual greenish-black distorted form.
If he were truly in a state of non-existence, the opponent would not be able to locate him at all, he would have no position within existence, he would have no form at all, and he would not be able to jump, escape, fall to the ground, or be hit, etc.
Version 2 would include: perception manipulation, intangibility, and resistance to sensory perception.
I believe resistance to perception is more accurate, since Yachiru was still able to locate him through instinct and even managed to cancel Version 2.
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
Today I will remove NEP 1 and NEP 3 as well, of course because their justifications are incorrect, since the time they were obtained is outdated (dating back to 2022). So today I will try to explain this matter.
This is the justification present in the character profile Guenael Lee:
- Invisibility, Nonexistent Physiology, Illusion Creation and Memory Manipulation (Nature: Type 1 and 3 – Aspect: Type 1 and 3 – The Vanishing Point is an ability that works in 3 stages. In stage one, Guenael becomes invisible to even Lieutenant-Class Shinigami[1], beings which can visually perceive spirit ribbons[2] which are invisible to those who can visually perceive invisible souls[3], he also retains his ability to attack while in this form[4]. In stage two, Guenael is capable of causing his very “existence” to disappear from “reality” itself[5], with this “existence” being comprised of his soul, mind, and body[6] This “stage” also leaves behind an illusory image of himself as the last remainder of his existence[7]. Guenael can switch between each stage instantly[8]. The third and final stage of The Vanishing Point allows Guenael to erase his very existence from the opponent's memory[9]),
Version 1 hides his form and makes him invisible.
Version 2 makes his existence disappear and places him completely outside the opponent's perception, as though he were entirely nonexistent from the opponent's perspective. However, you still exist, but your existence is nonexistent to the opponent, and even touching you becomes impossible as well.
Version 3, which is his strongest version, erases his existence from his opponent's memory.
Now let me prove this from the anime itself.
Version 1 is simply the disappearance of his form, making him invisible, and our issue is not with this version.
Version 2:
In this scene, Yachiru throws a punch at Guenael Lee and fails to hit him even though the punch passed through his face, and this proves that he is intangible in Version 2, as I said.
So in Version 2, he also cannot be touched. However, as everyone can see, he still exists, and Yachiru was also able to determine his location through her instincts. This is what surprised Guenael Lee and led him to call her an animal, because in Version 2 his entire existence disappears from her perspective and he cannot be perceived at all. Despite that, Yachiru charged at him, threw a punch at his face, and located him, while that punch passed through his face because he was in Version 2. It should have been impossible for her to determine his location, yet when she told him that she moved by instinct, he described her as an animal.
As everyone can see, he is clearly surprised, and even his eye pops out from the shock because she was able to determine his location despite him being in Version 2, where his existence completely disappears from her perspective.
And here he describes her as an animal ↓
This is evidence for everything I said, and the conclusion from all of this is that in this Version 2 his existence disappears from the opponent’s perception, as he himself stated.
As everyone can see, this is about perception, as I have always been saying. In short, what happens in Version 2 has nothing to do with NEP.
1. He exists, and the proof is that Yachiru can determine his location through her instincts, which means he is still present.
2. When his existence disappears from the opponent’s perception completely in this version, he becomes as if he does not exist to them, and he cannot even be touched in this state (intangibility).
3. This proves that he exists and has a specific location within space that can be targeted and attacked, but he cannot be touched. This version makes him completely nonexistent from the opponent’s perspective. Guenael Lee was still surprised, however, that Yachiru was able to determine his location through instinct alone while in a state of rage and still land a punch—yet the punch passed through him, and he called her an animal.
Now we continue:
Here, Guenael Lee attacks angrily with his sword in order to kill Yachiru, but at that moment he sensed something and immediately activated Version 2 in order to avoid Yachiru’s attack. He successfully avoided the attack in Version 2, where Yachiru’s sword passed through him without causing any effect. He then jumped back while still in Version 2, where his form appears greenish-black and slightly distorted; his eyes are visible, but he cannot be touched or perceived by the opponent. The sword passed through him, and he leapt backward. When he landed on the ground, just one moment later his head exploded while still in Version 2, and he returned to his normal state.
The sword passes through his face, thereby avoiding the attack.
He jumped backward in Version 2, and we can see him:
Here, he is still in Version 2, and look now how that attack hit him while he is in Version 2, even though he is intangible and evaded the attack and everything, and he is completely nonexistent from her perspective.
And here is the scene as well, you can watch it here ↓
As everyone can see, that attack passed around him and he dodged it and jumped away while in Version 2. After landing on the ground at a distance, as a result of that attack, and while still in Version 2, he immediately returned to his normal state and exited Version 2 after being hit by the attack even while in that state.
Here, Yachiru tells him that after releasing her power, her sword in this state can hit the target whether they dodge the attack or not, and this is the reason why the sword still hit him even while he was in Version 2, even though he had already evaded the attack, because the attack had already passed through him in the first place.
Responding to some counterarguments:
I disagree.
What you said is not correct and is not supported by what is shown in the scene. Guenael did not return to his normal state by his own will. Rather, the attack that passed around his head due to his intangibility affected him after he jumped backward and landed on the ground, while he was still in Version 2. This resulted in his Version 2 state being canceled. It was not that he returned to his normal state first and then got hit by the attack that had passed around him. No—as you can see in the image before you, the attack tore through his face while he was still in Version 2, which caused his Version 2 existence to be canceled.
Yachiru’s ability is also not as you described it. Your explanation contradicts the ability of her sword, because Yachiru herself states that her sword hits the target whether they dodge the attack or not. This is the reason why the sword affected him even after he dodged the attack in Version 2, and while he was still in Version 2 as well. As you can see before you, the attack affected him in Version 2 itself, and this is the image ↓
And here is the scene as well, you can watch it here ↓
As you can see, the scene is completely clear. The attack hit him while he was in Version 2, and because of this, he returned to his normal state against his will. He was surprised and said, "What??" while holding his face after taking the attack in Version 2, and thus he returned to his normal form involuntarily.
What happens is simply that his existence disappears only from the opponents’ point of view. His existence disappears from their perception, and he becomes as though completely nonexistent to them, while he still exists.
Guenael has a location, and his location can be identified through Yachiru’s instincts. If he were truly in a state of nonexistence, sensing his existence through instinct would be completely impossible. You cannot perceive, sense, or determine the location of something that does not exist, because it is nonexistent and therefore has no place where it exists to be identified. Yet here, Yachiru located him through her instincts and threw a punch at him, even though it passed through him, which caused Guenael to become surprised and angry. He could not believe that she had perceived his location through instinct alone and afterward described her as an animal. I already sent the images in the comment here.
You ignored half of the replies in the comment even though I pointed out many contradictions that refute your argument. Even the points you did respond to are not correct and contradict what is shown in the scene.
Anyone here can see that he was struck while still in Version 2 itself, which led to it being canceled against his will, because Yachiru’s sword is capable of hitting the target whether they dodge the attack or not. That is exactly what happened. This is the sword’s ability. So when he dodged the attack and moved backward, the attack still affected him afterward while he was still in Version 2, which forced him to return to his original state against his own will while he was clearly surprised.
Conclusion:
• He becomes nonexistent only from the opponent’s perception, as he himself said when he stated that he was nonexistent only to you.
• He has a specific location, and this is not a trait of someone in a true state of nonexistence, since Yachiru was able to determine his position and throw a punch that passed through him, which surprised Guenael because she identified his location through instinct and called her an animal. This means he has an actual location.
• She managed to hit him in Version 2, which caused him to return to his original state against his will.
• He can move and jump in Version 2, and he also has a greenish-black form while his eye remains visible or glowing. In this state he becomes intangible because he is nonexistent from the opponent’s perspective, which is why the opponent cannot hit him, except that Yachiru’s sword ability allowed her to strike him while he was in Version 2.
All of these points argue against him being in a true state of nonexistence.
A character in a state of nonexistence does not have a form, cannot be struck, and does not have a fixed location. They also cannot be sensed through instinct because they do not exist in the first place—so how could something nonexistent be sensed through instinct alone?
Frankly, I do not agree with you, and you also did not address everything. I have now explained that there are many contradictions here. And if you still disagree after this comment, then it would be better not to reply to me.
Conclusion here:
In Version 2, his existence completely disappears from the opponent’s perception, as if he does not exist at all from the opponent’s point of view. He cannot be sensed or interacted with in any way because he is nonexistent to you, and he cannot even be touched, even though he still exists.
• His location can still be identified, and a punch can be directed at him, as Yachiru did using her instincts, which surprised Guenael Lee that she was able to locate him even in this state, where he is nonexistent from her perception. However, he still exists, and his form is still present. He remains in a greenish-black, slightly distorted version of his normal appearance. He can jump into the air and land on the ground, as happened when Yachiru’s attack passed through his head.
His head can also be injured even in Version 2, and the proof is that when he was hit in Version 2, the state was immediately canceled and he returned to his normal form, with his face bleeding because the attack had passed through his head when Yachiru struck him while he was in Version 2. This confirms what I said: he remains in Version 2 with his full body, head, and position intact, but he is intangible and nonexistent from the opponent’s perception, appearing in his usual greenish-black distorted form.
If he were truly in a state of non-existence, the opponent would not be able to locate him at all, he would have no position within existence, he would have no form at all, and he would not be able to jump, escape, fall to the ground, or be hit, etc.
Version 2 would include: perception manipulation, intangibility, and resistance to sensory perception.
I believe resistance to perception is more accurate, since Yachiru was still able to locate him through instinct and even managed to cancel Version 2.
Agree:
Disagree:
Neutral:
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