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I never said that whe should make a gaster profile
I argued that we have enought direct quotes and references of Entry number 17 in deltarune bot inside and outside the verse to count it as valid source of information
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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD
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I argued that we have enought direct quotes and references of Entry number 17 in deltarune bot inside and outside the verse to count it as valid source of information
Randomuser3412
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Listen, personally, I think Entry 17 can be used and Gaster is behind a lot of stuff in Deltarune. I understand where Perversion is coming from. But it doesn't mean any of it is up to the Wiki's standards
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It's not rock solid though. That is the problem. What I think(And mind, I do think the Gaster thing is correct) doesn't matter because theories have no place on profiles.
LittleGuy99
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* You hide your Gaster Sandbox...
Randomuser3412
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Patience, my friend. Gaster will be revealed in due time
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Randomuser3412
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Come to think of it, it IS pretty likely the Chapter 5 Dark World will have a visible sun that lets plants grow if it takes place in Asgore's Garden (or, it won't have any sun because Asgore is a sad boy and his plants are dying in darkness)
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I noticed a major flaw with the wiki's Undertale profiles
Papyrus doesn't have vehicular Mastery
Papyrus doesn't have vehicular Mastery
Moon_Crasher
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Then why do we allow a theory that states that Alphys is the other person sans is talking about when he says, "Our reports" on sans' profile? (A theory that is likely wrong btw)
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I mean it's Likely true tbh (or it's gaster)
Sans and Alphys do seen to have worked together as noted in Sans profile (at least i think it's mentioned in his profile)
Moon_Crasher
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The clip that we use to support this has Mettaton immediately say that she has no proof whatsoever right after.
Alphys bluffing to make herself seem more impressive to Frisk isn't out of character considering the fact that's literally what she did with the whole staging herself as a hero thing, she also lied about creating a robot with a soul to get her job.
Alphys somehow believes that she could have stopped and killed Frisk when lamenting.
Despite the fact that sans knows what saving is.
So, despite sans clearly working with Alphys on the Amalgamates, it's unlikely he'd share any of his info about the timelines with her.
Also, I'd imagine Alphys would be way more messed up if sans shared his reports about the universe literally coming to an end.
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What are you guys talking about? SOUL light being composed of photons makes it easier to accept it as SoL, but it was called light so many times, this point doesn't matter at all.
Main arguments against light being true light were:
1. In different scenes having different speed
2. It being analogy for reality, same way darkness is analogy for fantasy.
First argument was chalked away as cinematic timing. Second one is true, but
"We don't care about themes and such in powerscaling"(c)
Needless to say, this particular point was rejected by 1:4 votes. Actual threat to FTL Deltarune was that Zapper lasers wouldn't be considered legit, and thus Jackenstein feat would have been outlier. It was at 2:3(2 agree, 3 disagree), before Charmander closed CRT
We still would fight for it thoughUnfortunately both Quor and Styrim don't like sans
Styrim is a know sans hater infact
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Me not believing he neg diffs everything in both fights and writing does not make me a hater dawg
Randomuser3412
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I know
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Same guy who said he likes Sans not getting any buffs since it makes him a deltarune victimMe not believing he neg diffs everything in both fights and writing does not make me a hater dawg
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I don't have to be happy at something that's just true :×Same guy who said he likes Sans not getting any buffs since it makes him a deltarune victim
Tho it was mostly just whatever those Hazbin fans were doing with their verse lol.
Moon_Crasher
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I mean that's fine I want those deltafrauds to get nerfed so sans can solo them all (because it'd be funny), so it's all balanced in the end!Same guy who said he likes Sans not getting any buffs since it makes him a deltarune victim
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You know damn well that sans deltarune will be revealed to be sans undertale and we will be able to scale sans to the deltarune cast
It's innevitable
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Qurbonboev
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Bro, half of DR heavy hitters legit stomp him (Ralsei, Titan, Tenna), another half mid diffs him (Susie, Knight, Gerson, Jevil). Like, Knight won the fight against Sans when she had lower LS and AP(!).
There would be definitely caveats with this. Most importantly, why would Sans UT scale to his appearance in Dark World, instead of LW.
You could do this by yourself
Randomuser3412
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Rudinn blitzes and one shots Sans
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"(We still don’t have a release date for Chapter Five.)"
"It’s been more than six years, and roughly half the game is out."
Yeah, it's even been over 7 & a half years since chapter 1.
I guess the article gives us an idea how it feels to be in Toby Fox's position, as opposed to more direct info about what he's doing. A lot of the info doesn't seem new.
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Hold up
If Rouls proves that the battle system is law manipulation and we equalize game worlds,shouldn't Omega flowey/Asriel,Sans and chara all have law manip
Even a likely or a possible rating seens fine since law manip was previously acepted before being removed (i'm pretty sure)
If Rouls proves that the battle system is law manipulation and we equalize game worlds,shouldn't Omega flowey/Asriel,Sans and chara all have law manip
Even a likely or a possible rating seens fine since law manip was previously acepted before being removed (i'm pretty sure)
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They have Info 2 which makes it redundant.
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Law manip via info2 i guess,also since when does Sans have info2 lol
Edit:why would it even be redundant? Info2 and law manip are different metaphysical aspects and the battle system is downright show to be law manip on screen?
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I mean what is the Law Hax they do specifically? Omega Flowey only changes some game mechanics.
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If changing the battle system is game mechanique than we just index anything that affect the battle system as law manip
Omega flowey changed the whole battle system and manipulating the game upscale from this
Sans attacks from the battle system so that should be indexed along with 4th wall break
Chara can downright erase the game
We can also build up one of those metaphysical aspects hierarchy that some verses have
Info2>law manip so undertale info2 is above standard law manip and can affect it
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Tbf your arg could work IF the fact that Sans' messing with the turn is still treated as law hax. Now it's just combat applicable 4th wall break.
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If it was previously acepted as such i don't know why it wouldn't be acept now that we have direct on screen showing of the battle system being law manip,also again the main proof is Rouls not Sans
It would be a massive upscale of the deadliness of undertale top tiers hehe
Moon_Crasher
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And that's why those deltabums totally need and deserved to be nerfed into oblivion!
I mean I guess I could (and I will when no one else does) but I'm taking a break from making calcs right now and I'm worried the size values will just end up changing on a whim again.
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Why is monster kind capped of at L2c by using Omega flowey as the reason why they scale to said tier when Omega Flowey is L1c
And why is Omega Flowey the limit and not Asriel? Because Asriel has to absorve all the monsters to turn into his God form? The Monsters still exist inside him and Asriel uses them to attack you,the lost souls also get buffet to L1c when Asriel controle them
And why is Omega Flowey the limit and not Asriel? Because Asriel has to absorve all the monsters to turn into his God form? The Monsters still exist inside him and Asriel uses them to attack you,the lost souls also get buffet to L1c when Asriel controle them
Qurbonboev
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Leftover, you can update it yourself.
Moon_Crasher
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How did sans have somehow higher AP and LS anyways? I thought Undertale had lower AP and Lifting Strength at that point in time? Was the elevator feat really carrying the Undertale cast that much?
Qurbonboev
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At that point Elevator feat was downgraded, so everything was carried by Mettaton leg feat, which was high 8-C and Class M. Compared to Deltarune 8-C and Class K
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Moon_Crasher
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I haven't seen MysticSlime in a bit, but I think I remember basically every short that I watched had something wrong or some form of misinformation or headcanon passed off as fact, which is why I probably why stopped watching them, have they gotten any better since then? (Idk maybe it wasn't even as bad as I remembered?)
Moon_Crasher
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It was really only minor things really, I don't think it was anything too egregious.
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