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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

Wonder why no one brought up in the ftl removal tread the fact that gaster stated that Shadows are created when photons turn negative which would mean that light in deltarune is photonic
Any way i'ma read the undertale crts now,hope it's nothing anything bad
 
Moon_Crasher said:
Part 4 of the Undertale downgrades is gonna target sans and his durability negation.
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Hopefully that's when some pushback on these downgrades starts happening and sans gets to remain goated forever, while all the other characters get left behind in the dust!

Right where they belong :)
 
Moon_Crasher said:
Hopefully that's when some pushback on these downgrades starts happening and sans gets to remain goated forever, while all the other characters get left behind in the dust!

Right where they belong :)
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Unfortunately both Quor and Styrim don't like sans💔
Styrim is a know sans hater infact
 
Randomuser3412 said:
That's definitely different from whatever lightbulb in Gaster's lab the Dark Fountain would be negating
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Gaster downright references Deltarune's Shaodows in entry number 17
Deltarune's shadows are the opossite and can only be negative via Deltarune's light
If Deltarune's shadows are negative photons then the opossite of that would be regular photons
 
All you're telling me here is that photons exist in Deltarune. No dip, of course they do. The number of verses where all sources of light are fake is probably countable on one hand
 
Randomuser3412 said:
All you're telling me here is that photons exist in Deltarune. No dip, of course they do. The number of verses where all sources of light are fake is probably countable on one hand
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No what i'm saying is that the light emited by the soul is photonic since gaster state that Deltarune's special shadows are negative photons,only the special light from deltarune can negate shadows and are their opposites since normal sources of light exist in the shadow worlds and don't negate or affect shadows at all
 
God_of_perversion said:
No what i'm saying is that the light emited by the soul is photonic since gaster state that Deltarune's special shadows are negative photons,only the special light from deltarune can negate shadows and are their opposites since normal sources of light exist in the shadow worlds and don't negate or affect shadows at all
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Yeah... you yourself are suggesting the SOUL light is "special light..." I don't really care to argue for or against FTL Deltarune... but this is not the argument you wanna go with
 
Randomuser3412 said:
Yeah... you yourself are suggesting the SOUL light is "special light..." I don't really care to argue for or against FTL Deltarune... but this is not the argument you wanna go with
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"Special light" as in the light that is able to seal fountains and negate shadows
we can't just assume that the light with magical properties is "normal light" specially since normal sources of light exist just fine within the dark worlds
Edit:tldr:Gaster states that shadows in deltarune are made out of negative photons,light in deltarune is the opposite of said shadows and thus are made out of normal photons,the light that the soul emited is made out of photons since its the opposite of Deltarune's shadows
 
You've already established a degree of separation between the normal light and the "special" SOUL light. Trying to say it's a different thing but this implication about a different thing is also applicable to it is very odd.
The SOUL's light being "the opposite" of negative photons is basically headcanon that's not said anywhere.
 
Randomuser3412 said:
You've already established a degree of separation between the normal light and the "special" SOUL light. Trying to say it's a different thing but this implication about a different thing is also applicable to it is very odd.
The SOUL's light being "the opposite" of negative photons is basically headcanon that's not said anywhere.
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Light is downright is stated to be the opoosite of shadows
The light emited by the soul seals away shadows and damage shadow enemies
why would the light emited by the soul not be the opposite of shadows even tought Deltarune's world is based on the duality of light and shadows
I think i'm not explaning myself properly só i'll try to do better

In Deltarune the main forces and concepts of the verse are the duality of light and shadows with shadows being the opposite of light
Gaster tells us that Shadows are negative photons and thus light in deltarune is photonic in nature
The light emited by the soul negates shadows and seals away dark fountains and thus it IS the opposite of shadows,it would also not make sense if the light emited by the soul isn't light when light is the only thing that can negate and seal shadows
 
God_of_perversion said:
Light is downright is stated to be the opoosite of shadows
The light emited by the soul seals away shadows and damage shadow enemies
why would the light emited by the soul not be the opposite of shadows even tought Deltarune's world is based on the duality of light and shadows
I think i'm not explaning myself properly só i'll try to do better

In Deltarune the main forces and concepts of the verse are the duality of light and shadows with shadows being the opposite of light
Gaster tells us that Shadows are negative photons and thus light in deltarune is photonic in nature
The light emited by the soul negates shadows and seals away dark fountains and thus it IS the opposite of shadows,it would also not make sense if the light emited by the soul isn't light when light is the only thing that can negate and seal shadows
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For one: we don't formally accept Gaster theories as being canon, or Entry 17 as being canon at all because it's in the files.
For two: something doesn't have to be the opposite of another thing to seal/destroy it; the SOUL's light does not need to be photons, and, in fact, normal photons have already been proven not to work on the Dark Fountain's darkness
You have to properly prove that we can apply things about normal light to the SOUL's light. Which, from what I've seen you say, is quite the opposite. The SOUL's light does things normal light can't do, and I haven't seen you bring up it behaving realistically at all.
 
It would be mad funny if the main enemies in deltarune chapter 5 are flowers that absorve light from the sun and short it at us solar beam style
Or if there was a random a mflt+ outlier feat for no reason
 
Randomuser3412 said:
For one: we don't formally accept Gaster theories as being canon, or Entry 17 as being canon at all because it's in the files.
For two: something doesn't have to be the opposite of another thing to seal/destroy it; the SOUL's light does not need to be photons, and, in fact, normal photons have already been proven not to work on the Dark Fountain's darkness
You have to properly prove that we can apply things about normal light to the SOUL's light. Which, from what I've seen you say, is quite the opposite. The SOUL's light does things normal light can't do, and I haven't seen you bring up it behaving realistically at all.
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Bruh,Entry number 17 is obviously canon and are downright mentioned in non game data sources such as the deltarune website or in the Trash noise of dark fountains so that should take care if the problem

I'll repeat my point again,shadows are the negative photons and thats stated by the smartest character in the verse
Light in the world of deltarune is the opposite of shadows and thus is photonic in nature
The soul emits that same photonic light to seal shadows and the entire lore and themes of the damned game tells us that light is opposite of shadows
It doesn't matter if normal natural light in dletarune can't seal fountains since the light emited by the soul is the opposite of the negative photons since that what the entire game tells us
The opposite of something is their negative counterpart,the opposite of something negative is their normal counterpart
 
God_of_perversion said:
Bruh,Entry number 17 is obviously canon and are downright mentioned in non game data sources such as the deltarune website or in the Trash noise of dark fountains so that should take care if the problem
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There's a reason we don't have a Gaster profile. Entry 17 is "unused content" mostly and that statement can't be used (yet). It's a theory that hasn't been confirmed in any official regard.
God_of_perversion said:
I'll repeat my point again,shadows are the negative photons and thats stated by the smartest character in the verse
Light in the world of deltarune is the opposite of shadows and thus is photonic in nature
The soul emits that same photonic light to seal shadows and the entire lore and themes of the damned game tells us that light is opposite of shadows
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Oof. You gonna provide any source for that?
God_of_perversion said:
It doesn't matter if normal natural light in dletarune can't seal fountains since the light emited by the soul is the opposite of the negative photons since that what the entire game tells us
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It doesn't matter that it doesn't behave in accordance to how we know actual light behaves in this verse?
 
Randomuser3412 said:
There's a reason we don't have a Gaster profile. Entry 17 is "unused content" mostly and that statement can't be used (yet). It's a theory that hasn't been confirmed in any official regard.

Oof. You gonna provide any source for that?

It doesn't matter that it doesn't behave in accordance to how we know actual light behaves in this verse?
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I genuinely don't understand your point
Also i've seen enterpretations of verses being allowed on the wiki if they have alot of undeniable proof,wouldn't Gaster and entry number 17 fit into that archtype,also entry number 17 is referenced,used in some way or downright quoted many times during deltarune,Entry mumber 17 being code only is just a sede effect od Undertale's meta narrative and Gaster's Backstory
 
God_of_perversion said:
I genuinely don't understand your point
Also i've seen enterpretations of verses being allowed on the wiki if they have alot of undeniable proof,wouldn't Gaster and entry number 17 fit into that archtype,also entry number 17 is referenced,used in some way or downright quoted many times during deltarune,Entry mumber 17 being code only is just a sede effect od Undertale's meta narrative and Gaster's Backstory
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A profile for Gaster has already been rejected before due to not much being confirmed about him. Barely anything has changed since then. Garbage Noise doesn't confirm anything. The quote on the Deltarune website was "THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT SEEMS VERY, VERY INTERESTING," nothing about photons.
 
Randomuser3412 said:
A profile for Gaster has already been rejected before due to not much being confirmed about him. Barely anything has changed since then. Garbage Noise doesn't confirm anything. The quote on the Deltarune website was "THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT SEEMS VERY, VERY INTERESTING," nothing about photons.
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Dual photons...goo read it...
 
Randomuser3412 said:
A profile for Gaster has already been rejected before due to not much being confirmed about him. Barely anything has changed since then. Garbage Noise doesn't confirm anything. The quote on the Deltarune website was "THIS NEXT EXPERIMENT SEEMS VERY, VERY INTERESTING," nothing about photons.
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Direct quote from Entry number 17 in the Deltarune website
Direct quite from Entry number 17 in the Prophecy (most important thing of the deltarune verse)
Modified versions of Gaster's theme and Entry nunber 17 beng used as music trought out the entirety of Deltarune including some of its most important locations (Ex: The shelter)
Dialigues that mimick the writing style of entry number 17 trought out all of deltarune such as the anouncement of deltarune and many dialogues of a being who has many gaster references
Gaster followers being npcs of deltarune
The enterity of Undertale and Deltarune running on a Meta narrative and Toby Fox using the code of the game to hide lore (which he bothered to update and translate to japanese multiple times) many times
We don't need all of the Entry 17 to be spelled outright in Deltarune to count it as a valid source,if the wiki some how doesn't count that many direct references or downright quotes then the wiki has a problem on how they treat meta narrative lore
 
God_of_perversion said:
Direct quote from Entry number 17 in the Deltarune website
Direct quite from Entry number 17 in the Prophecy (most important thing of the deltarune verse)
Modified versions of Gaster's theme and Entry nunber 17 beng used as music trought out the entirety of Deltarune including some of its most important locations (Ex: The shelter)
Dialigues that mimick the writing style of entry number 17 trought out all of deltarune such as the anouncement of deltarune and many dialogues of a being who has many gaster references
Gaster followers being npcs of deltarune
The enterity of Undertale and Deltarune running on a Meta narrative and Toby Fox using the code of the game to hide lore (which he bothered to update and translate to japanese multiple times) many times
We don't need all of the Entry 17 to be spelled outright in Deltarune to count it as a valid source,if the wiki some how doesn't count that many direct references or downright quotes then the wiki has a problem on how they treat meta narrative lore
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Yeah, that's all really nice circumstantial evidence and all. But I don't see any of it saying SOUL light is real photons (you don't even need Entry 17 to argue Darkness is 'negative photons,' by the way)
Echidnacodefan2512 said:
Dual photons...goo read it...
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God_of_perversion said:
Direct quote from Entry number 17 in the Deltarune website
Direct quite from Entry number 17 in the Prophecy (most important thing of the deltarune verse)
Modified versions of Gaster's theme and Entry nunber 17 beng used as music trought out the entirety of Deltarune including some of its most important locations (Ex: The shelter)
Dialigues that mimick the writing style of entry number 17 trought out all of deltarune such as the anouncement of deltarune and many dialogues of a being who has many gaster references
Gaster followers being npcs of deltarune
The enterity of Undertale and Deltarune running on a Meta narrative and Toby Fox using the code of the game to hide lore (which he bothered to update and translate to japanese multiple times) many times
We don't need all of the Entry 17 to be spelled outright in Deltarune to count it as a valid source,if the wiki some how doesn't count that many direct references or downright quotes then the wiki has a problem on how they treat meta narrative lore
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This is not enough for a profile still. Like genuinely, what SOLID PROOF do we have on the man?

Nothin', nada, zilch. We do not have anything solid on Gaster sufficient enough for a profile.
 
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