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This is the 2nd of 2 (1st here) Hi3 CRTs. This one deals with HSR content, namely Welt Yang within HSR. It'll also have 3 points. These CRTs are separate so you can read one without the other.
A - Establishing a 2nd Eruption Welt key and general scaling for the 2nd Eruption. (4-A) + Scaling characters to this.
B - Cross-scaling characters from 3-C HSR Welt Yang. (B-2 deals with a bad 2016 HoV justification).
C - Cross-scaling characters from 2-A HSR Welt Yang.
Point: A: Welt needs a key for the Second Eruption. (4-A scaling for Second Eruption characters)
Second Eruption Welt isn’t in his prime, on the moon he only had 47% of his HoR powers left, and the only time he was in prime is where his body fully adapted to the Herrscher core. This improvement makes him stronger than his Second Eruption version.
As for his SE scaling, High 4-C via this statement where he could unleash a supernova on Sirin as a final gambit (self-destruction).
These scans say the 1st and 2nd Herrschers can also can create an entire bubble world inside the Sea of Quanta, granting him and Sirin 4-A. You could even go as far as to say Sirin and 2E welt are an order of magnitude greater than this 4-A feat. (See the final scan w/ translation). Weaker characters like Partial HoT Mei and base Kiana scale to 4-A.
Point B: 3-C scaling for Hi3 from HSR’s Welt Yang.
Characters like 2016 Herrscher of the Void Kiana (stronger than her 2nd Eruption counterpart) should scale to HSR’s Welt Yang and his Star of Eden. We see 2016 HoV shrug off an attack from Bronya’s Star of Eden, though Bronya isn’t the Herrscher of Reason yet and this is only the 1st Power of the Star of Eden (We never see 2016 HoV tank a 0th power as Bronya doesn’t use it). I believe it’s much more sensible to place her 2016 HoV at 3-C for just being stronger than HSR Welt Yang, rather than a 2-A Welt + Star of Eden 0th power.
More supporting evidence 2016 HoV is above 3-C HSR Welt Yang:
Shadow Knight Fu Hua should scale to this HoV by being able to wound her. Rita Rossweisse was equal to this Fu Hua, who later fights a Void Drifter Kiana (Rita is wearing a stronger battlesuit here too) and is also equal to Kiana. These characters would scale to 3-C. They do not definitively scale to 2-A though.
Point B-2: 2016 HoV is listed as being equal to Base Kevin as Mei says nothing Kevin showcased could beat this Herrscher of the Void (despite the fact we know he beat blatantly stronger Herrschers in the previous era) - Mei likely says this because Kevin did nothing but sit in his chair in her World Serpent days, and she wasn’t present to see the one and only feat he displays that would one-shot 2016 HoV (one-tapping the Herrscher of Corruption) - Mei doesn’t even see Kevin fight until the Moon Arc. Mei is a vibescaler and this justification is being removed. Let’s move on.
Point C: (Placing 2-A scaling based off of Welt Vs Zephyro into the Hi3 cast)
Any characters stronger than Welt’s Star of Eden, they would get a 2-A rating based off of Welt fighting Zephyro in the alternate future where the Express went to Patrevia.
This would effect the Herrscher of Rimestar (as it’s stronger than the Star of Eden (Rimestar has the Core of Stars, the same core the Star of Eden is made from, and has even fused with a second Herrscher core. This combined with the fact a Herrscher can control more Honkai energy than a Divine Key irrevocably means Rimestar scales above the Star of Eden)) thus meaning HoT Mei and Durandal from that fight scale, as they defeat the Herrscher of Rimestar. Anyone equal or stronger to these characters scale to them from this point on.
This scaling starts from Herrscher of Reason Bronya, as unlike Welt who cannot use the full power of Herrscher of Reason Bronya can. This means Welt’s peak is below Bronya and this includes the Welt battle against Zephyro. Anyone who’s shown to be stronger than this Bronya obviously scales to 2-A.
If you have any thoughts Herrscher of Thunder Mei doesn’t scale by 2v1’ing Rimestar with Durandal, even with her observed powers she far surpasses the powers of Welt, Bronya and Joyce as the Herrschers of Reason. This means she’s 2-A regardless, Durandal is relative to this Mei, making her 2-A.
Note: This is prior to the L1-C Hi3 scaling, thus it's still pretty important to get the chainscale correct.
Agree (3): Emirp Sumitpo, Vietthai96, OblivionOfTheEndless
A - Establishing a 2nd Eruption Welt key and general scaling for the 2nd Eruption. (4-A) + Scaling characters to this.
B - Cross-scaling characters from 3-C HSR Welt Yang. (B-2 deals with a bad 2016 HoV justification).
C - Cross-scaling characters from 2-A HSR Welt Yang.
Point: A: Welt needs a key for the Second Eruption. (4-A scaling for Second Eruption characters)
Second Eruption Welt isn’t in his prime, on the moon he only had 47% of his HoR powers left, and the only time he was in prime is where his body fully adapted to the Herrscher core. This improvement makes him stronger than his Second Eruption version.
As for his SE scaling, High 4-C via this statement where he could unleash a supernova on Sirin as a final gambit (self-destruction).
These scans say the 1st and 2nd Herrschers can also can create an entire bubble world inside the Sea of Quanta, granting him and Sirin 4-A. You could even go as far as to say Sirin and 2E welt are an order of magnitude greater than this 4-A feat. (See the final scan w/ translation). Weaker characters like Partial HoT Mei and base Kiana scale to 4-A.
Point B: 3-C scaling for Hi3 from HSR’s Welt Yang.
Characters like 2016 Herrscher of the Void Kiana (stronger than her 2nd Eruption counterpart) should scale to HSR’s Welt Yang and his Star of Eden. We see 2016 HoV shrug off an attack from Bronya’s Star of Eden, though Bronya isn’t the Herrscher of Reason yet and this is only the 1st Power of the Star of Eden (We never see 2016 HoV tank a 0th power as Bronya doesn’t use it). I believe it’s much more sensible to place her 2016 HoV at 3-C for just being stronger than HSR Welt Yang, rather than a 2-A Welt + Star of Eden 0th power.
More supporting evidence 2016 HoV is above 3-C HSR Welt Yang:
- Welt Yang’s Herrscher of Reason abilities are majorly diminished with a 3-C rating. The Herrschers are directly compared above and stated to be capable of making 4-A structures with their Honkai Energy. Welt’s Herrscher Powers blatantly don’t scale to this anymore and he fights primarily with the Star of Eden to achieve said 3-C ratings.
- 2016 HoV is also superior to 2nd Eruption Sirin, who wields the Core of Reason and multiple other cores. She then immediately has an equal showing to Welt’s own feats in 2E and superior to HSR Welt Yang upon getting the powers of Reason).
Shadow Knight Fu Hua should scale to this HoV by being able to wound her. Rita Rossweisse was equal to this Fu Hua, who later fights a Void Drifter Kiana (Rita is wearing a stronger battlesuit here too) and is also equal to Kiana. These characters would scale to 3-C. They do not definitively scale to 2-A though.
Point B-2: 2016 HoV is listed as being equal to Base Kevin as Mei says nothing Kevin showcased could beat this Herrscher of the Void (despite the fact we know he beat blatantly stronger Herrschers in the previous era) - Mei likely says this because Kevin did nothing but sit in his chair in her World Serpent days, and she wasn’t present to see the one and only feat he displays that would one-shot 2016 HoV (one-tapping the Herrscher of Corruption) - Mei doesn’t even see Kevin fight until the Moon Arc. Mei is a vibescaler and this justification is being removed. Let’s move on.
Point C: (Placing 2-A scaling based off of Welt Vs Zephyro into the Hi3 cast)
Any characters stronger than Welt’s Star of Eden, they would get a 2-A rating based off of Welt fighting Zephyro in the alternate future where the Express went to Patrevia.
This would effect the Herrscher of Rimestar (as it’s stronger than the Star of Eden (Rimestar has the Core of Stars, the same core the Star of Eden is made from, and has even fused with a second Herrscher core. This combined with the fact a Herrscher can control more Honkai energy than a Divine Key irrevocably means Rimestar scales above the Star of Eden)) thus meaning HoT Mei and Durandal from that fight scale, as they defeat the Herrscher of Rimestar. Anyone equal or stronger to these characters scale to them from this point on.
This scaling starts from Herrscher of Reason Bronya, as unlike Welt who cannot use the full power of Herrscher of Reason Bronya can. This means Welt’s peak is below Bronya and this includes the Welt battle against Zephyro. Anyone who’s shown to be stronger than this Bronya obviously scales to 2-A.
If you have any thoughts Herrscher of Thunder Mei doesn’t scale by 2v1’ing Rimestar with Durandal, even with her observed powers she far surpasses the powers of Welt, Bronya and Joyce as the Herrschers of Reason. This means she’s 2-A regardless, Durandal is relative to this Mei, making her 2-A.
Note: This is prior to the L1-C Hi3 scaling, thus it's still pretty important to get the chainscale correct.
Agree (3): Emirp Sumitpo, Vietthai96, OblivionOfTheEndless
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