UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[Edutyn]

It WON'T in fact lol. No evidence of it being SoL unlike these other two things.

Hopes & Dreams

Any thoughts on the rest?

 

[Qurbonboev]

Updated:

Spoiler: "New" Calcs

AP:
Susie throws Tenna: 107572 joules (Wall level)
Susie destroy toilet: 484840 joules (Wall level)
Susie & Kris Fall: 304039 joules (Wall Level)
Ralsei hates darkners: 1433405J (Wall Level)
Susie carries Tenna: 4495410 joules (Wall Level)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 0.004 tonnes of TNT (Wall Level)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 0.00598707656 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level)
Spamton Neo GPE: 0.02140910457 tons of tnt to 0.03167987091 tons of tnt (Small Building Level)
The Gang slams into a door: 0.061 tonnes (Small Building Level)
Giga Queen PE: 0.028 Tons of TNT (Building Level to 0.2691189306 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 0.328 tonnes of TNT(Building Level)
Baseball PE: 1.01502071142 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 2.82016951411 Tons of TNT (Large Buiding Level)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 6.4681948663 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Detatchable Hands KE: 4.94373372693 MJ up to 6.96338152094 Tons of TNT (Wall Level to Large Building Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 142.05 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: 166 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: 2.637624043977 Kilotons (Small Town Level)

Speed:
Golden Tenna is kicked: 28.9330285714m/s (Superhuman)
Rudinn dashes off: 20.9004444445 m/s up to 104.502222222 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 135.1268572 m/s (Subsonic)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 150.7757143 m/s (Subsonic)
Shadowguy dashes off: 28.2249305555 m/s up to 169.349583333 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Knight sword slash speed: Mach 1.4664003415 (Supersonic)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: Mach 1.66 (Supersonic)
Mics, Cats & SOUL Check: Mach 8.5 (Hypersonic) | Mach 3.41666666667 (Supersonic+) | Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: Mach 2.94 (Supersonic+)
Detatchable Hands KE: 43.64560153 m/s to Mach 9.768429826 (Subsonic to Hypersonic)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: Mach 16.9 (Hypersonic+)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: Mach 25.2 (High Hypersonic)
Mike's PC Final Attack: Mach 33 (High Hypersonic)
Cat Big Paw: Mach 79.8 (High Hypersonic+)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: Mach 82.1 (High Hypersonic+)
The cats are fast: Mach 216.4 (Massively Hypersonic)
Titan Laser: 55.0555555556c (FTL+) (It probably won't be accepted, but whatever)


LS:
Kris throws SOUL: 1.5 tonnes (Class 5)
Susie throws Tenna: 302 tonnes (Class K)
Spamton Neo GPE: 633,218.627296 kg to 849,556.67565 kg (Class K)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 1513.4205363 Tons (Class M)
Giga Spamton is pushed: 4278.43879792 Tons to 5740.16001022 Tons (Class M)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: 20860 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 28993 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 384982 tons (Class M)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 478,649.6414 Tons (Class M)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 204.24 million tons of force (Class G)

Good work. Also add this

 

[Mommyleona]

Dude, do you realize that the exact same debunked argument was spammed ever since its original implementation in 2019 right? It was warranted to happene eventually.

"Spammed" ha ha
Hmm let's go 1 by 1
4 out of 6 of those were made over SIX YEARS AGO, basically in another decade atp
One of them is literally a QnA of a dude asking
Another one is also literally just a question about the scaling
And the first one is ALSO just a question at best with no arguments whatsoever
with only the last 3 ones, having intervals of 2 and 4 years, having any semblance of resemblance (Scarlet's also had additional, different arguments)

So like only 2 of those, made 4 and 6 YEARS ago respectively, actually had similar arguments

I fail to see how this is "spammed" or even frequent enough to warrant a discussion rule, but sure man

 

[StrymULTRA]

"Spammed" ha ha
Hmm let's go 1 by 1
4 out of 6 of those were made over SIX YEARS AGO, basically in another decade atp
One of them is literally a QnA of a dude asking
Another one is also literally just a question about the scaling
And the first one is ALSO just a question at best with no arguments whatsoever
with only the last 3 ones, having intervals of 2 and 4 years, having any semblance of resemblance (Scarlet's also had additional, different arguments)

So like only 2 of those, made 4 and 6 YEARS ago respectively, actually had similar arguments

I fail to see how this is "spammed" or even frequent enough to warrant a discussion rule, but sure man

Idk man it's as if you wanted to downgrade Jojo and now you cannot anymore, but that could be just by experience-based vibes on it...

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

It WON'T in fact lol. No evidence of it being SoL unlike these other two things.

We literally have photons in the attack btw

 

[AyOgUyS]

Yeah another CRT against the canon merge and we're getting another Discussion Rule too

I'll take this into the general Pokemon thread

 

[Omegabronic]

We literally have photons in the attack btw

The Titan is a being of Darkness that attacks with Darkness... wouldn't it make more sense for to use Darkness beams rather than Light beams?

 

[StrymULTRA]

We literally have photons in the attack

Echidna if a light bulb increases intensity due to a voltage increase, the expansion of the light is not necessairly SoL.

 

[Axorandom0]

I can’t wait for chapter 5 to give a cutscene feat where Asgore is hunting down the Fun Gang through a dark garden and they dodge a flashlight’s light in order to not get caught. Or they get a stated capped speed that’s below Mach 1. Or for Toby to not give a hoot about speed at all and to just make a cool chapter.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Echidna if a light bulb increases intensity due to a voltage increase, the expansion of the light is not necessairly SoL.

Soo what exactly is the "light" from the laser? If "Darkness" are negative photons isnt possible that the laser changing into positive photons ?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Soo what exactly is the "light" from the laser? If "Darkness" are negative photons isnt possible that the laser changing into positive photons ?

Negative photons are not a thing irl so they're unquantifiable.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Negative photons are not a thing irl so they're unquantifiable.

I kinda know but if we weren't talking like physics but in math ?

 

[Axorandom0]

I kinda know but if we weren't talking like physics but in math ?

Echidna what do you mean by that. You know how intertwined those two are, right?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Echidna what do you mean by that. You know how intertwined those two are, right?

I mean yeah ? StrymULTRA said it unquantifiable thus i cant really quantifiy how a negative photon would work in reality

But if we treat those two things as numbers instead? I feel it possible

 

[StrymULTRA]

But if we treat those two things as numbers instead? I feel it possible

Everytime I talk with you I have the urge to just ban myself for the sheer amount of nonsense you say.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Everytime I talk with you I have the urge to just ban myself for the sheer amount of nonsense you say.

I mean i know and sorry for that i just feel you could quantify "negative photons" in some way.

 

[LittleGuy99]

Titan Laser: 55.0555555556c (FTL+) (It probably won't be accepted, but whatever)

If we do not take into account the light of the SOUL what would be the result? (Low End?)

 

[Edutyn]

If we do not take into account the light of the SOUL what would be the result? (Low End?)

About 367.143639m/s

 

[Omegabronic]

Soo what exactly is the "light" from the laser? If "Darkness" are negative photons isnt possible that the laser changing into positive photons ?

Darkness? It is a Shadow Demon Kaiju Thing made of literal Darkness... so like, firing Darkness is kind of expected in my opinion

 

[Edutyn]

So apparently, according to the game files (?), this attack from Tenna uses Lightning

If that's true, then the feat would go from 8-A to 7-A, sub-real to rel speed & Class P

 

[Moon_Crasher]

So apparently, according to the game files (?), this attack from Tenna uses Lightning

If that's true, then the feat would go from 8-A to 7-A, sub-real to rel speed & Class P

The game files also call Vulkin's attacks lightning. So I don't think that'll fly.

 

[Randomuser3412]

So apparently, according to the game files (?), this attack from Tenna uses Lightning

If that's true, then the feat would go from 8-A to 7-A, sub-real to rel speed & Class P

Is every one of Tenna's dance frames a different sprite..?

 

[LittleGuy99]

The game files also call Vulkin's attacks lightning. So I don't think that'll fly.

We can always try

 

[Randomuser3412]

We can always try

 

[LittleGuy99]

So apparently, according to the game files (?), this attack from Tenna uses Lightning

If that's true, then the feat would go from 8-A to 7-A, sub-real to rel speed & Class P

It wouldn't be surprising knowing that he uses this

 

[Randomuser3412]

It wouldn't be surprising knowing that he uses this

What could Tenna have POSSIBLY meant with the pipes bit

 

[LittleGuy99]

What could Tenna have POSSIBLY meant with the pipes bit

Dark world in the sewers, shelter and stuff

 

[IDK3465]

So apparently, according to the game files (?), this attack from Tenna uses Lightning

If that's true, then the feat would go from 8-A to 7-A, sub-real to rel speed & Class P

I don’t know why, but I feel like we’re pushing it a little

 

[Moon_Crasher]

We can always try

I mean I'm fine with it if it means we accept Undertale's lightning as real again. Like that'll ever happen!

 

[LittleGuy99]

Like that'll ever happen!

You'll have to wait and see

 

[Moon_Crasher]

You'll have to wait and see

I mean there is a small chance it can get at least accepted as real electricity again.

(I did see a rebuttal thread made, it was locked because of the whole having to wait thing though, but that just means an extra month or two to refine the arguments in my eyes.)

 

[Moon_Crasher]

All we need is Toby to just offhandedly call Vulkin's attack lightning once, just one time, and we can get Building level and Massively Hypersonic+ Undertale back!

That's totally legit!

 

[Edutyn]

Snip

Spoiler: Updated

Evaluated
Need Evaluation

AP:
Susie throws Tenna: 107572 joules (Wall level)
Susie destroy toilet: 484840 joules (Wall level)
Susie & Kris Fall: 304039 joules (Wall Level)
Ralsei hates darkners: 1433405J (Wall Level)
Susie carries Tenna: 4495410 joules (Wall Level)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 0.004 tonnes of TNT (Wall Level)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 0.00598707656 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level)
Spamton Neo GPE: 0.02140910457 tons of tnt to 0.03167987091 tons of tnt (Small Building Level)
The Gang slams into a door: 0.061 tonnes (Small Building Level)
The Weather Duo Temparature Feats: 0.02722124582 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level) & 0.09241312608 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level)
Giga Queen PE: 0.028 Tons of TNT (Building Level to 0.2691189306 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Spamton Neo Explosion: 0.15 Tons (Small Building Level)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 0.328 tonnes of TNT(Building Level)
Baseball PE: 1.01502071142 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 2.82016951411 Tons of TNT (Large Buiding Level)
Titan Fist: 3.03 tonnes of TNT (Large Building Level)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 6.4681948663 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Detatchable Hands KE: 4.94373372693 MJ up to 6.96338152094 Tons of TNT (Wall Level to Large Building Level)
A cat ball: 127,72003207 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 142.05 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: 166 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: 2.637624043977 Kilotons (Small Town Level)
Tenna's Weather Report: 910.1375932 Tons Of TNT up to 347.95797 Kilotons (Multi-City Block Level+ up to Large Town Level)
Miss Mizzle creates a storm: 3.3644010516252 Megatons (Small City Level)

Speed:
Golden Tenna is kicked: 28.9330285714m/s (Superhuman)
Rudinn dashes off: 20.9004444445 m/s up to 104.502222222 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 135.1268572 m/s (Subsonic)
Spamton Neo Explosion: 144.658064516m/s (Subsonic))
Giga Queen has mad hops: 150.7757143 m/s (Subsonic)
Shadowguy dashes off: 28.2249305555 m/s up to 169.349583333 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Knight sword slash speed: Mach 1.4664003415 (Supersonic)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: Mach 1.66 (Supersonic)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: Mach 2.94 (Supersonic+)
Mics, Cats & SOUL Check: Mach 8.5 (Hypersonic) | Mach 3.41666666667 (Supersonic+) | Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
A cat ball: Mach 8.55555555556 (Hypersonic)
Detatchable Hands KE: 43.64560153 m/s to Mach 9.768429826 (Subsonic to Hypersonic)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: Mach 16.9 (Hypersonic+)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: Mach 25.2 (High Hypersonic)
Mike's PC Final Attack: Mach 33 (High Hypersonic)
Cat Big Paw: Mach 79.8 (High Hypersonic+)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: Mach 82.1 (High Hypersonic+)
The cats are fast: Mach 216.4 (Massively Hypersonic)
Titan Laser: 55.0555555556c (FTL+) (It probably won't be accepted, but whatever)


LS:
Kris throws SOUL: 1.5 tonnes (Class 5)
Susie throws Tenna: 302 tonnes (Class K)
Spamton Neo GPE: 633,218.627296 kg to 849,556.67565 kg (Class K)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 1513.4205363 Tons (Class M)
Giga Spamton is pushed: 4278.43879792 Tons to 5740.16001022 Tons (Class M)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: 20860 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 28993 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 384982 tons (Class M)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 478,649.6414 Tons (Class M)
A cat ball: 159066953.35 Tons (Class G)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 204.24 million tons of force (Class G)

 

[Axorandom0]

Spoiler: Updated

Evaluated
Need Evaluation

AP:
Susie throws Tenna: 107572 joules (Wall level)
Susie destroy toilet: 484840 joules (Wall level)
Susie & Kris Fall: 304039 joules (Wall Level)
Ralsei hates darkners: 1433405J (Wall Level)
Susie carries Tenna: 4495410 joules (Wall Level)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 0.004 tonnes of TNT (Wall Level)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 0.00598707656 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level)
Spamton Neo GPE: 0.02140910457 tons of tnt to 0.03167987091 tons of tnt (Small Building Level)
The Gang slams into a door: 0.061 tonnes (Small Building Level)
The Weather Duo Temparature Feats: 0.02722124582 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level) & 0.09241312608 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level)
Giga Queen PE: 0.028 Tons of TNT (Building Level to 0.2691189306 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Spamton Neo Explosion: 0.15 Tons (Small Building Level)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 0.328 tonnes of TNT(Building Level)
Baseball PE: 1.01502071142 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 2.82016951411 Tons of TNT (Large Buiding Level)
Titan Fist: 3.03 tonnes of TNT (Large Building Level)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 6.4681948663 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Detatchable Hands KE: 4.94373372693 MJ up to 6.96338152094 Tons of TNT (Wall Level to Large Building Level)
A cat ball: 127,72003207 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 142.05 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: 166 tonnes of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: 2.637624043977 Kilotons (Small Town Level)
Tenna's Weather Report: 910.1375932 Tons Of TNT up to 347.95797 Kilotons (Multi-City Block Level+ up to Large Town Level)
Miss Mizzle creates a storm: 3.3644010516252 Megatons (Small City Level)

Speed:
Golden Tenna is kicked: 28.9330285714m/s (Superhuman)
Rudinn dashes off: 20.9004444445 m/s up to 104.502222222 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Thrash Machine punches a baseball: 135.1268572 m/s (Subsonic)
Spamton Neo Explosion: 144.658064516m/s (Subsonic))
Giga Queen has mad hops: 150.7757143 m/s (Subsonic)
Shadowguy dashes off: 28.2249305555 m/s up to 169.349583333 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)
Knight sword slash speed: Mach 1.4664003415 (Supersonic)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: Mach 1.66 (Supersonic)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: Mach 2.94 (Supersonic+)
Mics, Cats & SOUL Check: Mach 8.5 (Hypersonic) | Mach 3.41666666667 (Supersonic+) | Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
A cat ball: Mach 8.55555555556 (Hypersonic)
Detatchable Hands KE: 43.64560153 m/s to Mach 9.768429826 (Subsonic to Hypersonic)
Mike's Switch Final Attack: Mach 16.9 (Hypersonic+)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: Mach 25.2 (High Hypersonic)
Mike's PC Final Attack: Mach 33 (High Hypersonic)
Cat Big Paw: Mach 79.8 (High Hypersonic+)
Mike's PC Final Attack 2: Mach 82.1 (High Hypersonic+)
The cats are fast: Mach 216.4 (Massively Hypersonic)
Titan Laser: 55.0555555556c (FTL+) (It probably won't be accepted, but whatever)


LS:
Kris throws SOUL: 1.5 tonnes (Class 5)
Susie throws Tenna: 302 tonnes (Class K)
Spamton Neo GPE: 633,218.627296 kg to 849,556.67565 kg (Class K)
Golden Tenna is kicked: 1513.4205363 Tons (Class M)
Giga Spamton is pushed: 4278.43879792 Tons to 5740.16001022 Tons (Class M)
Spamton Neo can make his hands into phones: 20860 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager returns back her whip: 28993 tons (Class M)
Tasque manager swings it incredibly fast: 384982 tons (Class M)
Giga Queen has mad hops: 478,649.6414 Tons (Class M)
A cat ball: 159066953.35 Tons (Class G)
Mike's PC Final Attack: 204.24 million tons of force (Class G)

Imma be real I didn’t notice that the Giga Queen stuff was evaluated until this

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Shadowguy dashes off: 28.2249305555 m/s up to 169.349583333 m/s (Superhuman to Subsonic)

Why did this get evaluated but none of my other calcs in that blog? Or, is it a mistake?

 

[Rodriiogo]

Oh, Rodri, it feels like just yesterday you were telling me Asriel is 9-A. How the years pass by.

 

[Randomuser3412]

I still don't know what you're planning. Maybe it's good to be a surprise

 

[AyOgUyS]

I still don't know what you're planning. Maybe it's good to be a surprise

everyone with the sole exception of true pacifist frisk gets downgraded to tier 11

 

[Rodriiogo]

I still don't know what you're planning. Maybe it's good to be a surprise

Asriel and the other God Tiers are safe for a long time regardless, I'm working on other stuff and the part 3 of the debunks will only at the very earliest be right after my final uni exams of this year and God tiers will only be addressed in parts 6 or 7.

I'm fine with sharing the plans, Sans Nuke on part 4

 

[Randomuser3412]

I'm fine with sharing the plans, Sans Nuke on part 4