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Nasuverse Discussion Board (New Forum)

ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
As far as I know, no one here has calculated those feats. I think it would also be worth calculating the amount of energy needed to permanently throw off Earth's axis of rotation since one of A Clockwork Abbadon's meteors would've done that had it not hit the north pole instead (or something like that).
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Oh yeah, regarding this, I've concluded with the others that halting the Planet's rotation/throwing off Earth's axis of rotation and such bits are metaphorical, anything related to the Celestial Body's rotation.
I'll talk to you about this later. It's described that way but they don't literally mean stopping/throwing off the Terminal Earth's rotation, same for other examples like with Demon God Pillars/Elementals.
It's probably something like halting the development and cycles of the Earth and/or throwing it off course, simply.
 
ShinMaximillion said:
Oh yeah, regarding this, I've concluded with the others that halting the Planet's rotation/throwing off Earth's axis of rotation and such bits are metaphorical, anything related to the Celestial Body's rotation.
I'll talk to you about this later. It's described that way but they don't literally mean stopping/throwing off the Terminal Earth's rotation, same for other examples like with Demon God Pillars/Elementals.
It's probably something like halting the development and cycles of the Earth and/or throwing it off course, simply.
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Hm... interesting.

You'll have to elaborate on that because the statements seemed pretty straightforward to me.

Still, that would help explain the nonsense Narita wrote about how the meteor crashing into the Artic wouldn't cause the Earth's rotation to be thrown off.
 
ShinMaximillion said:
It isn't hard to read it as "He seeks not to directly introduce them in the world as universal entities, thus, proposes to keep their cosmic scale without that by separating them in layers/planes, only allowing them to watch us and not interact with us as they wish to" (Again, this is what it literally states after the universe statement, but as usual, people choose to ignore it shrugs)
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That Kizu guy is one silly dude. It's the same silly argument you see with some dudes claiming Cthulhu was "killed" by a steam boat. When Cthulhu is an higher dimensional entity and didn't fully manifest in 3D reality. They usually just make avatars, which is the exact scenario here.
 
It's not Kizu in general, unfortunately, a vast majority of hotshot Type Moon "debunkers" who make it their life's goal to do so, while preaching about powerscalers ignoring context and whatnot. Exactly what VSBW was plagued with a while ago.

Of course, the issue goes both ways, as some of the people replying to them in opposition simply do not have any definitive idea of what they're chattering about. I believe there's one equally atrocious comment in my link, and heaven knows how many more.

It's just a cycle of preachiness in the end that goes nowhere, with neither side being in the "right" necessarily, but it's definitely a trend from the people attempting a "moral high ground" above supposed so-called 'brainrotted powerscaler', even if someone is one, it's just a hobby of theirs lol. Can't be that serious, I've never seen any of these powerscalers insult their way of life before, to top it off, just let people do what they enjoy. And if you dislike the notion of Type Moon powerscalers to such a degree, maybe just don't engage or actually try bringing up points, keep up the verse's logical systematics in mind without being an absolute monkey-brained over feats or rhetoric dependency, without wanting to engage in discussing nuance alone.
 
CreatioExNihiro said:
That Kizu guy is one silly dude. It's the same silly argument you see with some dudes claiming Cthulhu was "killed" by a steam boat. When Cthulhu is an higher dimensional entity and didn't fully manifest in 3D reality. They usually just make avatars, which is the exact scenario here.
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ShinMaximillion said:
It's not Kizu in general, unfortunately, a vast majority of hotshot Type Moon "debunkers" who make it their life's goal to do so, while preaching about powerscalers ignoring context and whatnot. Exactly what VSBW was plagued with a while ago.

Of course, the issue goes both ways, as some of the people replying to them in opposition simply do not have any definitive idea of what they're chattering about. I believe there's one equally atrocious comment in my link, and heaven knows how many more.

It's just a cycle of preachiness in the end that goes nowhere, with neither side being in the "right" necessarily, but it's definitely a trend from the people attempting a "moral high ground" above supposed so-called 'brainrotted powerscaler', even if someone is one, it's just a hobby of theirs lol. Can't be that serious, I've never seen any of these powerscalers insult their way of life before, to top it off, just let people do what they enjoy. And if you dislike the notion of Type Moon powerscalers to such a degree, maybe just don't engage or actually try bringing up points, keep up the verse's logical systematics in mind without being an absolute monkey-brained over feats or rhetoric dependency, without wanting to engage in discussing nuance alone.
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Have you all noticed that a lot of "anti-powerscalers" are either people who don't know anything about powerscaling, or they're powerscalers who disagree with someone else's opinions (and sometimes try to pretend that they aren't powerscalers themselves)? It's kind of weird, and a lot of the people who try to "debunk" Nasu powerscaling tend to fall into the latter, I've noticed.
 
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
Have you all noticed that a lot of "anti-powerscalers" are either people who don't know anything about powerscaling, or they're powerscalers who disagree with someone else's opinions (and sometimes try to pretend that they aren't powerscalers themselves)? It's kind of weird, and a lot of the people who try to "debunk" Nasu powerscaling tend to fall into the latter, I've noticed.
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Literally, that spiral of toxicity is making me lose faith in powerscaling as a whole. It troubles my peace rather than giving me fun.
 
Elesia011 said:
Literally, that spiral of toxicity is making me lose faith in powerscaling as a whole. It troubles my peace rather than giving me fun.
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Don't let people get in the way of your life or fun, as net negatives are what they seek from you. I think they seldom do this whilst subtly knowing that doing so would lead the other to renounce their interest, all a ploy to lead you towards losing faith in powerscaling. You and the other lot are valuable people, well-knowledged enough in Type Moon, wouldn't do to lose y'all over some idiots. Unless, of course, it's something akin to a temporary burnout, but that's another matter in its entirety.

Thankfully, VSBW doesn't seem to be plagued by this issue much anymore as it was before. At least with the Type Moon community as it is right now.
 
ShinMaximillion said:
Anyway, that's all my thoughts on this.
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Mind you, this is a discussion happening on twitter because twitter "discovered" that every work of fiction that happens to have conflict and/or fights in it uses powerscalling.

And them there are people who are saying that powerscalling is useless, and that you should enjoy what you are consuming instead of "thinking too much", because they hate the term powerscalling.

There was even a comic guy fan saying straight into your face in the comments that Dazzler (tier 8 at best) at some point defeated Galactus (Low 1-C!) alone and this happened simply because the comic editor supervisor at the time liked Dazzler, and that is a natural comic thing that you should be happy about.
 
It's Twitter, nothing more, nothing less to expect.

Speaking of unemployment, I've been told off-site about certain Tensura bros doing an RVR on me because I share the name Shin on Discord with another user going by the name of Mizuki, thus I am to be Mizuki's sockpuppet 💔 💔 💔
 
AguilaR202 said:
Powerscaling is important in series, invincible and marvel being terrible at keeping their shit consistent doesn’t mean other series don’t have large narrative beats around overcoming power differences, see DB during namek or JJK final battle.
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its depends on if the series itself resolves its conflicts through fights/battles imo

or maybe like in a horror story where a monster being strong is one of the qualities making it scary and defeating it requires actual believable reasoning within the mechanics of the story.
 
Rutæhh said:
Don't let people get in the way of your wank*
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This made me laugh lmao
ShinMaximillion said:
Don't let people get in the way of your life or fun.
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Yeah, I think you are right. And now, in my case, this is probably a temporary burnout after handling people who couldn't differentiate plot from powerscaling. It isn't usually like me to look at the negative aspect of a story.
HigashikataJobin said:
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And them there are people who are saying that powerscalling is useless, and that you should enjoy what you are consuming instead of "thinking too much", because they hate the term powerscalling.
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Most of the time from my observations, that category of persons actually tried powerscaling but got their ass whooped to oblivion, and now they hate it.
 
ShinMaximillion said:
It's hilarious how people are already talking about the Meteo specific statement as to how they don't operate in the framework of universal/multiversal scale, while throwing shade at VSBW and other Type Moon power scalers over fundamentally not comprehending what Meteo is trying to mean in there itself.

Unfortunately, I lost my previous Twitter account but anyways one of my friends showed me multiple responses of this interview quote.

Such as






Now, just in case anyone is curious about this. We literally get materials from Nasu's conception of them and you have statements akin to "Beyond this universe, higher dimensional beings are so super powerful! (BBthotep) and they out of their way to tell you that "Hey, they should descend into our plane" and to descend into our plane, they have to be beyond to begin with. And that they're from outer universes/universes beyond ours.

The actual things would have universal range (this is what universal in the quote above means by the by). And so, instead of that, it goes

"existing in another layer, separate from ours and only interacting with it from the outside to manipulate characters inside of our history" (Next statement)

And this becomes a debunk? Damn.

We do know that nobody can be universal, no matter how strong a lifeform, it has to obey the rules of the Human Order... right? Or I suppose people simply ignore all this in favor of the notion of "debunking" something while ignoring everything established beforehand. They can't descend because the Human Order blocks them. And Demeter outright tells us Machine God vessels are far too powerful for the surface texture, mind you.

It reacts to Aoko's time travel, and you think these beings can just walk free like Mr Bean in our universe with universal range, with the Human Order doing absolutely nothing save for having popcorns on a good day. Excellent debunk.

Human Order blocks the reality of the Root by filtering it under ego, and only what counts as actual True Magic of the five Magicians can bypass it. And damn, people actually think Outer Gods are gonna do something about this?

Wallahi, forgive me Nasu, for Type Moon fans choose to not engage with the verse and rely on the same old rhetorical dependency while taking things out of context as always. Mind I remind you of the Sefar example.

I think if someone sees that statement and goes "not in the scale of universal and multiversal! Type Moon entities are so dogass in power scaling haha" unironically, they're the ones having a terminal power scaling syndrome and obsession.

It's simply an act to feel better by putting down other people for being "obsessed with power scaling" or whatever fancies their boat in an act of presenting it as "insight" while it merely being their instincts usually says more about the person saying it than whatever or whomever they think they're correcting.

It isn't hard to read it as "He seeks not to directly introduce them in the world as universal entities, thus, proposes to keep their cosmic scale without that by separating them in layers/planes, only allowing them to watch us and not interact with us as they wish to" (Again, this is what it literally states after the universe statement, but as usual, people choose to ignore it shrugs)

That is what people would usually interpret, who're well known off in Type Moon spaces, rather than "HAHAAAA, NON-UNIVERSAL" and then, in an act of self-contradiction, blame other people for engaging in Type Moon purely through a power scaling perspective lol.

Anyway, that's all my thoughts on this.

I'll drop the True Magic stuff later today or tomorrow.
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Yeah this pretty much nails everything.

It’s a bit like how non-VS fans reacted to learned Dimitri from FE3H was super strong, though this is worse. They keep saying powerscaling is dumb and yet they’re the ones interpreting this in a manner that’s actively powerscaling (since downplaying is still powerscaling).

Hypocritical, which is why I am not looking forward to the general audience reaction to DB’s Nero episode if they make Nero anywhere near Universal, the fandom would be so arrogant about it.
 
Powerscaling and Themes And Such-ing aren't really all that different at the end of the day, they're just different avenues to explore a body of fiction you like, but MAN if the vocal powerscalers aren't annoying about it.
 
ShinMaximillion said:
It's hilarious how people are already talking about the Meteo specific statement as to how they don't operate in the framework of universal/multiversal scale, while throwing shade at VSBW and other Type Moon power scalers over fundamentally not comprehending what Meteo is trying to mean in there itself.

Unfortunately, I lost my previous Twitter account but anyways one of my friends showed me multiple responses of this interview quote.

Such as






Now, just in case anyone is curious about this. We literally get materials from Nasu's conception of them and you have statements akin to "Beyond this universe, higher dimensional beings are so super powerful! (BBthotep) and they out of their way to tell you that "Hey, they should descend into our plane" and to descend into our plane, they have to be beyond to begin with. And that they're from outer universes/universes beyond ours.

The actual things would have universal range (this is what universal in the quote above means by the by). And so, instead of that, it goes

"existing in another layer, separate from ours and only interacting with it from the outside to manipulate characters inside of our history" (Next statement)

And this becomes a debunk? Damn.

We do know that nobody can be universal, no matter how strong a lifeform, it has to obey the rules of the Human Order... right? Or I suppose people simply ignore all this in favor of the notion of "debunking" something while ignoring everything established beforehand. They can't descend because the Human Order blocks them. And Demeter outright tells us Machine God vessels are far too powerful for the surface texture, mind you.

It reacts to Aoko's time travel, and you think these beings can just walk free like Mr Bean in our universe with universal range, with the Human Order doing absolutely nothing save for having popcorns on a good day. Excellent debunk.

Human Order blocks the reality of the Root by filtering it under ego, and only what counts as actual True Magic of the five Magicians can bypass it. And damn, people actually think Outer Gods are gonna do something about this?

Wallahi, forgive me Nasu, for Type Moon fans choose to not engage with the verse and rely on the same old rhetorical dependency while taking things out of context as always. Mind I remind you of the Sefar example.

I think if someone sees that statement and goes "not in the scale of universal and multiversal! Type Moon entities are so dogass in power scaling haha" unironically, they're the ones having a terminal power scaling syndrome and obsession.

It's simply an act to feel better by putting down other people for being "obsessed with power scaling" or whatever fancies their boat in an act of presenting it as "insight" while it merely being their instincts usually says more about the person saying it than whatever or whomever they think they're correcting.

It isn't hard to read it as "He seeks not to directly introduce them in the world as universal entities, thus, proposes to keep their cosmic scale without that by separating them in layers/planes, only allowing them to watch us and not interact with us as they wish to" (Again, this is what it literally states after the universe statement, but as usual, people choose to ignore it shrugs)

That is what people would usually interpret, who're well known off in Type Moon spaces, rather than "HAHAAAA, NON-UNIVERSAL" and then, in an act of self-contradiction, blame other people for engaging in Type Moon purely through a power scaling perspective lol.

Anyway, that's all my thoughts on this.

I'll drop the True Magic stuff later today or tomorrow.
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Usually, when people are "anti-powerscaling" it's due to them finding something to be rated too high for their liking, so they spew dishonest takes in order to downplay.

I would have more respect for them if they were honest instead of doing this roundabout way of being a downplaying loser.
 
Mbpoops said:
how do we feel about giving the root "The Hoyoverse" as equipment?
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To think that Hoyoverse is able to beat Umineko simply because of the Root existing in the series so Yog-Sothoth being downgraded doesn't mean shit since we still have a Tier 0 character anyway albeit through a different fiction, gotta be one of the best collab bro
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this
 
Mbpoops said:
how do we feel about giving the root "The Hoyoverse" as equipment?
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rin's description and saber/servant Oti statements confirms IE can replace magical energy and create miracles (NO NOT ******* TRUE MAGIC) and rin is from "outside our (honkai) universe" so its more than likely that hoyoverse is apart of the root (i hope i worded that last part right)
 
Mbpoops said:
rin's description and saber/servant Oti statements confirms IE can replace magical energy and create miracles (NO NOT ******* TRUE MAGIC) and rin is from "outside our (honkai) universe" so its more than likely that hoyoverse is apart of the root (i hope i worded that last part right)
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Not True Magic but 1-A Magic smhhh
 
Hecky2222 said:
Hi son
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