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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Robo432343 said:
how do you think the experienced db supporters who can actually have a proper debate feel after seeing posts like this that have nothing to do with op and makes staff want to agree even more with the thread
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The second part of their argument is supposedly about the tier of the feat.

Anyway, I don't think Going against someone is a good thing, I think there were better ways to handle it than trying to humiliate or something like that.
 
Robo432343 said:
how do you think the experienced db supporters who can actually have a proper debate feel after seeing posts like this that have nothing to do with op and makes staff want to agree even more with the thread
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For the love of God, this is just a newbie who joined recently. The real experienced supporters will show up in the CRT soon to counter the OP’s arguments.
 
Saqphire said:
It's not really cuz it's clouds, it's the fact that kinetic energy in general wanks feats. Just look at Toneri's moon split and Roshi's moon bust man
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Toner is moon feat deserves a downgrade too, also every planetary fragment displacement feat where the planet reforms under its own mass; by definition it cannot possibly be moving above the escape velocity of the planet Much less surpass the GBE.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I don't understand, why do we need calculations to say that Master Roshi destroyed the moon?
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We don't, the calculations are an attempt to get a more exact value. If there are no calculations, we'd just assume 5-C.
 
I feel like cals for large objects like the moon fail to account for how much denser then rock the inners of a planet must be sense they'd be compressed rock. It could easily make a calc probably 4 times more and lots of clacs that don't do it are probably way off
 
Please send your arguments for the DB thread here or have someone check it over before publishing it on the other thread.

I had to push to move it from a staff thread to a CRT but some of these responses are going to reverse that decision quickly.
 
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Removing anime-exclusive content from manga Dragon Ball - Staff Only

This CRT is specifically about the Dragon Ball manga profiles and the separation of the anime in most cases. Got perms from @SomebodyData Dragon Ball manga profiles should not use anime-only visuals, expansion, or quantification when the manga already has its own depiction of the feat, unless...
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Not gonna bother answering them cuz it would be another "nothing burger" like they say but 3 of those comments are people agreeing with the CRT, in any post in Content revisions there are comment were non staff members say that they agree

Because of a staff member making the post and it being important for an important verse, people now can't say they agree?

I understand the derailling of sharing unrelated calcs and I shouldn't have bothered on answering the Roshi glazer
 
M3X_2.0 said:
Robo slander is allowed
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Even if slander in general is allowed I feel if a community of people find it unwanted and feel it only retract from the experience or an individual has been asked to stop and they keep going it should he allowed for people to vote to ban them from a commonly used thread.
 
CryoTheMayo said:
  • Fusion is considered a dynamic multiplier with the logic of "Base Fusions surpass the strongest form of the fusees".
  • Vegito should be able to use Super Saiyan 3 due to Goku, especially since Gotenks can do it.
  • Goku refers to God as a new level of power he never knew existed and also states Fusion wouldn't work against Beerus.
God Goku (BoG) > SS3 Vegito (BoG) > (400x) > Base Vegito (BoG) > SS3 Goku (BoG) > (400x) > Base Goku (BoG)

God takes Goku from being 4-B to 2-C. So the 160,000x multiplier is a reasonable lowball derived from inference using character statements, narrative and basic scaling.
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you said it yourself that god takes goku from 4B to 2C

so why isn't that just treated as it is for the multiplier

"reasonable lowball" is also kinda weird since god goku is literally magnitudes of infinity stronger than vegito, base vegito is significantly above the likes of Super Saiyan 3 Goku, and Super Saiyan 3 on this wiki is treated as more than 400 times since the Super Saiyan Grades, all of which boost power, are outclassed by Super Saiyan 2, which doubles Grade 4
AguilaR202 said:
SSG is soft evidence for AP/power not increasing proportionally with speed, heck even if it were just 3A the gap between it and 4-B is several orders of magnitude larger than the speed amp from 1000c to quintillion c
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The only reason why Toei has infinite speed is likely from a narrative mistake from Goku and Pikkon traveling across Otherworld and the authors forgetting that Otherworld is infinite in size, making it barely a feat and moreso a "the authors forgot about this but since it's technically a feat we will consider this anyways" kinda situation. No other infinite speed feat exists outside of DB heroes, which is why DB Super doesn't have any.

With this in mind, why is infinite speed still unreasonable to assume since the Super Saiyan God multiplier has a beyond infinite multiplier

I mean, ki is treated as an omniboost in every other aspect of the series with every other transformation, amp, and otherwise.

Heck, this wiki still tries to make Super Saiyan God a consistent omniboost by nerfing the transformation to be a x160,000 boost in EVERY stat including speed

so why would Super Saiyan God be ANY evidence of AP/power not increasing proportionally when everything else IS, and it itself is also treated as proportionally on this wiki due to the nerfed multiplier
 
like from my perspective it feels like you guys are weirdly cherrypicking what you want to be canon

Toeiverse has infinite speed cuz the authors don't know math and forgot the Otherworld isn't finite so flying across it makes no sense

meanwhile DB Super's ssjg transformation doesn't have an infinite amp despite it actually being so since the authors don't know math nor the concept of cosmology and once again forgot the Otherworld isn't finite so destroying all of it + the living world makes no sense

like why is one true while the other isn't
 
Mickey1940 said:
you said it yourself that god takes goku from 4B to 2C

so why isn't that just treated as it is for the multiplier

"reasonable lowball" is also kinda weird since god goku is literally magnitudes of infinity stronger than vegito, base vegito is significantly above the likes of Super Saiyan 3 Goku, and Super Saiyan 3 on this wiki is treated as more than 400 times since the Super Saiyan Grades, all of which boost power, are outclassed by Super Saiyan 2, which doubles Grade 4

The only reason why Toei has infinite speed is likely from a narrative mistake from Goku and Pikkon traveling across Otherworld and the authors forgetting that Otherworld is infinite in size, making it barely a feat and moreso a "the authors forgot about this but since it's technically a feat we will consider this anyways" kinda situation. No other infinite speed feat exists outside of DB heroes, which is why DB Super doesn't have any.

With this in mind, why is infinite speed still unreasonable to assume since the Super Saiyan God multiplier has a beyond infinite multiplier

I mean, ki is treated as an omniboost in every other aspect of the series with every other transformation, amp, and otherwise.

Heck, this wiki still tries to make Super Saiyan God a consistent omniboost by nerfing the transformation to be a x160,000 boost in EVERY stat including speed

so why would Super Saiyan God be ANY evidence of AP/power not increasing proportionally when everything else IS, and it itself is also treated as proportionally on this wiki due to the nerfed multiplier
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Infinite strength is never equal to infinite speed, 2C characters across many verses can make explosions that reach infinite sizes at well, infinite speed, yet they are usually MFTL+

DBZ Toei has other infinite speeds, the living world is also infinite, with Bojack and his gang going from one end to another of the universe in about a year

(Also people blitzing instant transmission which is instant)
 
Mickey1940 said:
like from my perspective it feels like you guys are weirdly cherrypicking what you want to be canon

Toeiverse has infinite speed cuz the authors don't know math and forgot the Otherworld isn't finite so flying across it makes no sense

meanwhile DB Super's ssjg transformation doesn't have an infinite amp despite it actually being so since the authors don't know math nor the concept of cosmology and once again forgot the Otherworld isn't finite so destroying all of it + the living world makes no sense

like why is one true while the other isn't
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That's not really a canon issue, more of a multiplier one tbh
 
SomebodyData said:
That's not really a canon issue, more of a multiplier one tbh
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It literally isn't

Ssjg made a guy go from 4B to 2C

That's an infinite increase in ki, and therefore infinite speed

As for the multiplier, things such as Infinite 2C exist. Sure you can argue that countably infinite increases in power doesn't make u go from 3 universes (in DBS and GT's case) to 4 or higher, but its definitely possible for them to still BE at 3 universes, just infinite within those confines

Yet you guys choose to lowball it to x160,000 for... No reason besides math, which isn't even a good reason given the system in place on this site

I just think its weird
 
Breadbear83 said:
Infinite strength is never equal to infinite speed, 2C characters across many verses can make explosions that reach infinite sizes at well, infinite speed, yet they are usually MFTL+
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Being MFTL+ despite causing explosions which traverse infinite sized constructs is just factually wrong. Those ratings need to be tweaked unless there’s in depth contradiction as for why they cannot scale to said explosives which travel such distances. We wouldn’t use another verse with flawed ratings and use it as justification for why another verse cannot make the cut. Uh due to Ki’s nature an infinite increase of strength would linearly raise their respective speed. Your logic would work under the assumption of no proven ES (energy system).
 
Breadbear83 said:
Infinite strength is never equal to infinite speed, 2C characters across many verses can make explosions that reach infinite sizes at well, infinite speed, yet they are usually MFTL+

DBZ Toei has other infinite speeds, the living world is also infinite, with Bojack and his gang going from one end to another of the universe in about a year

(Also people blitzing instant transmission which is instant)
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You say they are usually MFTL+, but..why is that the case here? Ki is literally treated as a consistent boost in every stat. Making up numbers for it just because you can't calculate it properly doesn't make much sense

Not to mention, why doesn't Goku have infinite attack speed then? His punch's shockwaves reverberated across all of Universe 7 without teleporting or anything

The bojack stuff is not on hjs profile and is stated nowhere else from what I can find. Can you post the scan?

The instant transmission stuff is also stated nowhere. Can you post scans of this too?
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Being MFTL+ despite causing explosions which traverse infinite sized constructs is just factually wrong. Those ratings need to be tweaked unless there’s in depth contradiction as for why they cannot scale to said explosives which travel such distances. We wouldn’t use another verse with flawed ratings and use it as justification for why another verse cannot make the cut. Uh due to Ki’s nature an infinite increase of strength would linearly raise their respective speed. Your logic would work under the assumption of no proven ES (energy system).
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Wouldn't this give DBS Goku infinite speed for making a shockwave that traversed all of u7?
 
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