Meliodas VS Isshiki (13-12-0)

[karo_senpaii]

Ishikki eye is faster. He just ends the match before Mel can even do anything fr

 

[karo_senpaii]

How could Isshiki deal with all of this? Meliodas imbues the Hellfire into his hand and swords during the fight.

Fear hax isn't an issue, he resists it.
Heat is also not an issue, even rock lee resists that temp.

The rest are valid win cons but ishikki eye is just faster, he just bfr Mel in his dimension. That's the fastest way to end this.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Because that's how passive aura works in vs matches, they affect the character immediately, and Isshiki does not have immeasurable speed, so he's not avoiding or reacting to it at the start of the match. This doesn't change the fact that in order for him to even do anything about it he first needs to resist it's effects, which he cannot do since he lacks any meaningful resistances

Just coz something is passive doesn't mean it doesn't have range. You're assuming mel randomly walks around everywhere with miasma just oozing out of him. The battle stats and the miamsa just starts covering everywhere. Ishikki can clearly see it with his byakugan and would shrink it.

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[karo_senpaii]

Actually ishikki just stabs all 7 hearts and it's gg

 

[Foriaa]

Actually, he cannot it’s part of Meliodas Physiology his darkness/miasma is part of his body

What do you mean its apart of his body? Chakra is formulated through the physical cells and spiritual energy within someone's body and Isshiki can shrink it.

Because that's how passive aura works in vs matches, they affect the character immediately

His passive ability looks like a aura that spreads away from his body, why would this immediately come into contact with Isshiki when battle is km's away.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

Fear hax isn't an issue, he resists it.

I didn't see that on your page or on the Otsutsuki physiology page, so why is he resisting?

The rest are valid win cons but ishikki eye is just faster, he just bfr Mel in his dimension. That's the fastest way to end this.

When did he do that as his first move? And how does that happen? Can Meliodas resist having his soul and mind sent to another space-time continuum

Just coz something is passive doesn't mean it doesn't have range. You're assuming mel randomly walks around everywhere with miasma just oozing out of him. The battle stats and the miamsa just starts covering everywhere. Ishikki can clearly see it with his byakugan and would shrink it.

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Meliodas' miasma is invisible; no one in the area could see or sense its presence.

Actually ishikki just stabs all 7 hearts and it's gg

He doesn't even know that Meliodas has 7 hearts.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

His passive ability looks like a aura that spreads away from his body, why would this immediately come into contact with Isshiki when battle is km's away.

Isshiki's range is only tens of meters; he would easily be hit by Meliodas' attacks and would be powerless to do anything if the battle were happening kilometers away.

 

[karo_senpaii]

I didn't see that on your page or on the Otsutsuki physiology page, so why is he resisting?

No one bothered to note it. Sasuke has it, he's unaffected by Sasuke.

When did he do that as his first move? And how does that happen? Can Meliodas resist having his soul and mind sent to another space-time continuum

He has one fight as ishikki, he was trying to look for kawaki so bfr the people that have information about him is a terrible idea. Mel is far stronger than him, he'd be more inclined to seal him away in his dimension

Meliodas' miasma is invisible; no one in the area could see or sense its presence.

It doesn't matter. He'd see it with his byakugan or his kokugan

He doesn't even know that Meliodas has 7 hearts.

Again his byakugan would see everything.

If we're going in character then the first thing he'd do is use his rods.

They are far faster than Mel and he can't also see them, they'd probably just all stab his heart immediately the fight starts

 

[Demon_Lord18]

No one bothered to note it. Sasuke has it, he's unaffected by Sasuke.

Why would I have to sift through various profiles to see Isshiki's abilities? If they're not on his profile, he doesn't have them.

It's worth noting that Meliodas' fear-inducing ability has 3 layers, and Isshiki cannot resist it.

He has one fight as ishikki, he was trying to look for kawaki so bfr the people that have information about him is a terrible idea. Mel is far stronger than him, he'd be more inclined to seal him away in his dimension

So he never used that as a first move? Meliodas can escape that anyway.

It doesn't matter. He'd see it with his byakugan or his kokugan
Again his byakugan would see everything.

Is it accepted on the Wiki that the Byakugan can do this?

If we're going in character then the first thing he'd do is use his rods.

They are far faster than Mel and he can't also see them, they'd probably just all stab his heart immediately the fight starts

The speeds are the same; I don't know where you're getting the idea that they're far faster.

The stakes can't penetrate Meliodas' body, so Isshiki can't do anything about it.
Meliodas could sense the stakes anyway.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Why would I have to sift through various profiles to see Isshiki's abilities? If they're not on his profile, he doesn't have them.

It's not an ishikki ability, just a general verse ability that no one bothered to add to every profile. His profile is outdated.

It's worth noting that Meliodas' fear-inducing ability has 3 layers, and Isshiki cannot resist it.

I'm not sure how many layers ishikki own is but it's either 2 or 3, that's also something that can be overcome by will power, also the Naruto verse fear hax includes madness manipulation type 3 so Mel is in more danger than ishikki

So he never used that as a first move? Meliodas can escape that anyway.

There has never been a situation to use it first. Mel absolutely cannot escape as he'd be frozen in time

Is it accepted on the Wiki that the Byakugan can do this?

Yes, it's not your fault honestly but ours. Even his byakugan is missing from most of his profile. It's probably in the notable attacks section though

The speeds are the same; I don't know where you're getting the idea that they're far faster.

Ishikki rods and doujutsu abilities are 10x faster than his combat speed

The stakes can't penetrate Meliodas' body, so Isshiki can't do anything about it.
Meliodas could sense the stakes anyway.

They can. They are duraneg, they go through the microscopic gaps in all structures and that's how they enter.

Mel can't sense it, otsusuki have layered resistance to ESP. not even SPSM with all his sensory abilities which are much more than Mel could easily sense them. It took baryon mode

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Isshiki does not win this, Meliodas's miasma will destroy the stakes before they literally reach him with multiple layers of deconstruction and literal EE, I'm not gonna go back and forth any further though, my vote is for Meli

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Isshiki does not win this, Meliodas's miasma will destroy the stakes before they literally reach him with multiple layers of deconstruction and literal EE

Miasma doesn't have any of those though?

You mixed up what Tyrant Killing [Deconstruction] and True Magic Power [Decon + EE] do

With what Miasma does [Status Effect Inducement via Disease Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, & Corrosion Inducement]

 

[Makai641001]

It's not an ishikki ability, just a general verse ability that no one bothered to add to every profile. His profile is outdated.

I'm not sure how many layers ishikki own is but it's either 2 or 3, that's also something that can be overcome by will power, also the Naruto verse fear hax includes madness manipulation type 3 so Mel is in more danger than ishikki

Weren’t you the one that was spaming old VS saying « what’s not on profile can’t be used »

There has never been a situation to use it first.

So he never used it

Mel absolutely cannot escape as he'd be frozen in time

He can’t store organic matter only objects, his bfr works with portals he opens close range

Sukunahikona: Sukunahikona is a dōjutsu of Isshiki Ōtsutsuki's unspecified right eye. It allows him to instantaneously shrink himself or any inorganic matter within his gaze and return it to its original size at will.

Yes, it's not your fault honestly but ours. Even his byakugan is missing from most of his profile. It's probably in the notable attacks section though

It is

Ishikki rods and doujutsu abilities are 10x faster than his combat speed

They can. They are duraneg, they go through the microscopic gaps in all structures and that's how they enter.

Mel can't sense it, otsusuki have layered resistance to ESP. not even SPSM with all his sensory abilities which are much more than Mel could easily sense them. It took baryon mode

Passive layered deconstruction Aura

Meliodas casually one taps with any attack the AP gap is too big, Isshiki’s BFR portal can be destroyed/interacted with by Meli and he can also avoid Isshiki getting in BFR range.

Meliodas has two 2x speed amps + AM and is even stronger/faster in DK form a 10x (BS btw) multiplier wouldn’t be blitz worthy.

Can’t really see Isshiki taking this he has nothing (not even stamina lol)

 

[Makai641001]

Miasma doesn't have any of those though?

You mixed up what Tyrant Killing [Deconstruction] and True Magic Power [Decon + EE] do

With what Miasma does [Status Effect Inducement via Disease Manipulation, Mind Manipulation, & Corrosion Inducement]

Tyrang killing is a Miasma attack, True magic is just Meliodas’s passive Aura that deconstruct/EE

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Tyrang killing is a Miasma attack,

When or where is it said that Miasma is Darkness or Hellblaze?

True magic is just Meliodas’s passive Aura that deconstruct/EE

How come Zeldris' hand wasn't deconstructed when he held TMF Mel's wrist when he had the Aura on?

 

[Makai641001]

When or where is it said that Miasma is Darkness or Hellblaze?

Author panel about designs where he says that derrierie is covered in miasma, and a few statements scattered across NNT/4kota

How come Zeldris' hand wasn't deconstructed when he held TMF Mel's wrist when he had the Aura on?

Cause Meliodas was not fighting/using True Magic, he was just in DK form.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Cause Meliodas was not fighting/using True Magic, he was just in DK form.

He was using True Magic though, Aura and all, he was gonna erase the Commandments when Zeldris suddenly grabbed his wrist and asked him if he really was gonna give up that power

Even the profile doesn't indicate that it's Passive unlike with Miasma

 

[karo_senpaii]

Weren’t you the one that was spaming old VS saying « what’s not on profile can’t be used »

Naa I was spamming stop using outdated profiles to make matches

So he never used it

Sure that's why I'm not claiming that's his starting move every time

He can’t store organic matter only objects, his bfr works with portals he opens close range

The ability is daikokuten and and not sukunahikona. You're confusing shrinking with transfer

It is

Passive layered deconstruction Aura

Meliodas casually one taps with any attack the AP gap is too big, Isshiki’s BFR portal can be destroyed/interacted with by Meli and he can also avoid Isshiki getting in BFR range.

Meliodas has two 2x speed amps + AM and is even stronger/faster in DK form a 10x (BS btw) multiplier wouldn’t be blitz worthy.

Can’t really see Isshiki taking this he has nothing (not even stamina lol)

Where is this passive layered deconstruction aura? Coz I can't see it. The highest I remember for Mel is him destroying demon kings arm and that's by touching him, there's really no chance for ishikki to even touch Mel, his eye would tell him to keep away from that entirely.

Mel has the advantage in everything but the thing that matters.
Forget the glaring problem that he can't destroy space time portals, the portals would warp him faster than he can react considering the glaring speed problem.

Ishikki opening move is to use his rods which Mel can see or react to and via his byakugan he'd see this person has 7 hearts. He'd immediately kill Mel once the match starts before his aura or anything covers anywhere, i don't even know how Mel survives that long enough to last to still get removed to ishikki dimension

 

[Makai641001]

He was using True Magic though, Aura and all, he was gonna erase the Commandments when Zeldris suddenly grabbed his wrist and asked him if he really was gonna give up that power

Even the profile doesn't indicate that it's Passive unlike with Miasma

Read what’s written he is using his DK powers not True magic

True magic isn’t really a passive it’s just his real power once he activates it it emanates from his body and EE/deconstruct his surroundings

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Read what’s written he is using his DK powers not True magic

He uses his DK form in conjunction with his True Magic though, unless the profile is wrong?

The scan for his EE, him erasing the DK, is him in his DK form, ergo the Aura around him is True Magic.

 

[Makai641001]

Naa I was spamming stop using outdated profiles to make matches

I remember you

Sure that's why I'm not claiming that's his starting move every time

That’s an out of character move more than anything

The ability is daikokuten and and not sukunahikona. You're confusing shrinking with transfer

Show me Isshiki using BFR on a person without his close range portals

Where is this passive layered deconstruction aura?

Layered Deconstruction (3 Layers) (Deconstructed Supreme Deity. Destroyed the Demon King's arm),

I can't see it. The highest I remember for Mel is him destroying demon kings arm and that's by touching him,

Meliodas destroyed his entire arm (tens of meters away)

there's really no chance for ishikki to even touch Mel, his eye would tell him to keep away from that entirely.

How would he even know what any of Meliodas abilities are

Mel has the advantage in everything but the thing that matters.
Forget the glaring problem that he can't destroy space time portals, the portals would warp him faster than he can react considering the glaring speed problem.

Isshiki needs to come close to open said portal + his « 10x multiplier » Is filled by Meliodas’s amps

Ishikki opening move is to use his rods which Mel can see or react to and via his byakugan he'd see this person has 7 hearts. He'd immediately kill Mel once the match starts before his aura or anything covers anywhere,

It didn’t even kill people hundreds of times weaker than Meliodas that can’t Regen as much as him + his first move in this key was using TM + darkness goes through matter and is entirely hermetic

Magic in 7DS interacts with space Time portals too therefore TM would also technically erase the portals.

i don't even know how Mel survives that long enough to last to still get removed to ishikki dimension

The same way Naruto and Sasuke survived despite being outmatched in every way but better

Ur just straight up wanking a character and using things he never even did…

Vs a dude that used said EE Aura first move while exiting purgatory

 

[Makai641001]

He uses his DK form in conjunction with his True Magic though, unless the profile is wrong?

The blast he shot is true magic the form he used is his DK form

The scan for his EE, him erasing the DK, is him in his DK form, ergo the Aura around him is True Magic.

Meliodas wouldn’t emit his Aura while his friends are close to him

Hence why he waited for Ban to cross the portal before he used it against DK

 

[speedster352]

I am voting for Meliodas fra

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Meliodas wouldn’t emit his Aura while his friends are close to him

Zeldris grabbed him with the Aura up though

He used it against DK tho

Yeah via that Aura

True magic isn’t really a passive it’s just his real power once he activates it it emanates from his body and EE/deconstruct his surroundings

So to clarify True Magic;

It generates an Aura when used, example being DK's arm and his Commandments, but the Decon + EE effect doesn't seem to automatically happen unless Meliodas wants it to, otherwise Zeldris would not have been able to grab his wrist when the Aura was up

 

[karo_senpaii]

I remember you

That’s an out of character move more than anything

No it's not as he uses his dimension to store things regularly, there has just never been reason to seal someone there.

Show me Isshiki using BFR on a person without his close range portals

I never said he doesn't use portals, it's just that the portal created by his eye warps Mel faster than he can even reacf

Meliodas destroyed his entire arm (tens of meters away)

Tens of meters ? It was literally in front of him and about to grab him. Is there even one instance of Mel aura deconstructing everything wrong him by just standing there passively?

How would he even know what any of Meliodas abilities are

He doesn't, he'd just know the energy is extremely dangerous considering what caught him off guard before was kaguya deconstruction

Isshiki needs to come close to open said portal + his « 10x multiplier » Is filled by Meliodas’s amps

He doesn't, he just needs to see him as it is his eye opening it. Mel has no amps considering he is in demon king mode and it has no amps and even if he did, it's not enough to cover 10x

It didn’t even kill people hundreds of times weaker than Meliodas that can’t Regen as much as him + his first move in this key was using TM + darkness goes through matter and is entirely hermetic

Because ishikki was never trying to kill them? He specifically wanted to get info on kawaki location from them. He needs nothing from Mel so he just immediately goes for his hearts. Mel true magic doesn't matter, they start 4km apart ishikki just shrinks himself and then attacks. Mel probably won't even know what happened before he died.

Magic in 7DS interacts with space Time portals too therefore TM would also technically erase the portals.

Except in Naruto it doesn't work like that. We have stuff like tso which erases everything including all ninjutsu and yet it doesn't have an effect on space time ninjutsu because that isn't using magic to create a portal , it's just opening a crack in space time so destroying it just does what? Make the crack wider? Not to mention he can't even react.

The same way Naruto and Sasuke survived despite being outmatched in every way but better

Ur just straight up wanking a character and using things he never even did…

Vs a dude that used said EE Aura first move while exiting purgatory

They survived because ishikki needed them alive? Bro was dying and they hid his only vessel. Why tf would he kill and not torture them?

I'm not wanking anyone. Ishikki just had an advantage with his speed that makes him pull of his win cons before Mel and that's all.

 

[Makai641001]

According to SBA the strongest canon version is used therefore it’s DK Meliodas.

Since Meliodas used admonition and became the new DK his strongest canon form in this key also has the Commandments.

Isshiki has:
Rods
Cube
Close range BFR
Madness Manipulation type 3

Rods:
Meliodas can deconstruct them without even needing to react, can Regen through it just like Naruto and has darkness that’s fully hermetic.

Cube Sealing:
Meliodas can deconstruct them and resists sealing

Close range BFR:
Naruto barely got caught, Isshiki can’t get in range without dying

Fear Hax/Madness manip T3:
Meliodas have better Fear hax and resists T3 Madness manip

Zeldris grabbed him with the Aura up though

Yeah via that Aura

So to clarify True Magic;
It generates an Aura when used, example being DK's arm and his Commandments, but the Decon + EE effect doesn't seem to automatically happen unless Meliodas wants it to, otherwise Zeldris would not have been able to grab his wrist when the Aura was up

It’s a style over substance fallacy, Meliodas does not use his EE aura when close to friends (I already brought up the fact that he waited for ban to exit purgatory to use his Aura)

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

It’s a style over substance fallacy, Meliodas does not use his EE aura when close to friends (I already brought up the fact that he waited for ban to exit purgatory to use his Aura)

So your stance is that the Zeldris-Aura Interaction is PIS

 

[karo_senpaii]

According to SBA the strongest canon version is used therefore it’s DK Meliodas.

Since Meliodas used admonition and became the new DK his strongest canon form in this key also has the Commandments.

This is false. The 10 commandments power doesn't spill over to Mel, neither does it indicate that on his profile

Isshiki has:
Rods
Cube
Close range BFR
Madness Manipulation type 3

Rods:
Meliodas can deconstruct them without even needing to react, can Regen through it just like Naruto and has darkness that’s fully hermetic.

He can neither see not sense it, he wouldn't even know what has happened before he gets pierced.

Cube Sealing:
Meliodas can deconstruct them and resists sealing

He can deconstruct them sure but he doesn't resist layered sealing

Close range BFR:
Naruto barely got caught, Isshiki can’t get in range without dying

Does Mel have Naruto speed? No
Does he have his plethora of precog, senses and danger sense? No

Does the warp speed blitz him ? Yes.

Mind you the Naruto that got caught, he was caught by jigen who doesn't have the 10x speed amp. There is absolutely no chance for Mel to react.

He also doesn't need to get close, as long as his eye can see it's fine and byakugan can see from Kms away

Fear Hax/Madness manip T3:
Meliodas have better Fear hax and resists T3 Madness manip

There's really no way Mel can take this.
This is a matter of he has the abilities but is just overwhelmed in speed. The match would be over before Mel has time to do anything

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Since Meliodas used admonition and became the new DK his strongest canon form in this key also has the Commandments

Isn't that just the DK Possessing Meliodas?

The version of Meliodas that used admonition was Assault Mode, and after absorbing all the Commandments DK took control.

Canon Post Purgatory Meliodas never had any of the Commandments in his possession, and his strongest Key in Canon is his DK Form without any Commandments.

 

[Makai641001]

No it's not as he uses his dimension to store things regularly, there has just never been reason to seal someone there.

Profile states he can only store inorganic things

I never said he doesn't use portals, it's just that the portal created by his eye warps Mel faster than he can even reacf

Show him using long range portals to Bfr

Tens of meters ? It was literally in front of him and about to grab him.

DK’s arm is tens of meters long

Is there even one instance of Mel aura deconstructing everything wrong him by just standing there passively?

Yes ??? DK’s arm

He doesn't, he'd just know the energy is extremely dangerous considering what caught him off guard before was kaguya deconstruction

Him getting caught off guard is showing that he ain’t as cautious as you pretend, how could he know the energy is dangerous, he doesn’t even know what it is

He doesn't, he just needs to see him as it is his eye opening it.

Show him doing such things

Mel has no amps considering he is in demon king mode and it has no amps and even if he did, it's not enough to cover 10x

Lmao i’ll take Meli starting in DK form then

2x2 is 4 + AM being Far higher + DK form being Far higher is enough for Meli to not get blitzed at all

Because ishikki was never trying to kill them? He specifically wanted to get info on kawaki location from them. He needs nothing from Mel so he just immediately goes for his hearts. Mel true magic doesn't matter, they start 4km apart ishikki just shrinks himself and then attacks. Mel probably won't even know what happened before he died.

If he starts in DK form in a 1v1 with no friends besides him he has no reason to not use his EE Aura ^^

Except in Naruto it doesn't work like that. We have stuff like tso which erases everything including all ninjutsu and yet it doesn't have an effect on space time ninjutsu because that isn't using magic to create a portal , it's just opening a crack in space time so destroying it just does what? Make the crack wider? Not to mention he can't even react.

Using in verse limits regarding gudodamas to apply them to NNT is fallacious, Gudodama are not shown to be absolute.

They can’t null everything and are typically shown not to erase ST ninjutsu.

Magic in NNT interacts with ST portals and Meliodas magic erase everything it touches even things like curses, mind, Memories, soul

They survived because ishikki needed them alive? Bro was dying and they hid his only vessel. Why tf would he kill and not torture them?

They still survived and could regen through it high ranking demons aren’t even affected by durability negation you simply can’t phase through them trust me Ban tried lol

I'm not wanking anyone. Ishikki just had an advantage with his speed that makes him pull of his win cons before Mel and that's all.

His win cons aren’t win cons tho

Voting Meliodas

It’s gonna get circular i’ll let People vote and unfollow this

 

[Makai641001]

Isn't that just the DK Possessing Meliodas?

The version of Meliodas that used admonition was Assault Mode, and after absorbing all the Commandments DK took control.

Canon Post Purgatory Meliodas never had any of the Commandments in his possession, and his strongest Key in Canon is his DK Form without any Commandments.

As DK was destroyed the master of the Commandments was the last person that used admonition (Meliodas)

No matter if we consider that he has them or not it doesn’t change the outcome of the fight

In a strict 1v1 without his friends and starting in his strongest form nothing Isshiki ever used can even touch him

Unfollowing

 

[karo_senpaii]

Profile states he can only store inorganic things

Again it doesn't. That's sukunahikona not daikokuten. We literally see kawaki store Naruto and hinata there

Show him using long range portals to Bfr

There are only examples of kawaki using his eye to do that. Ishikki never had a reason to coz there was never an opponent for him

DK’s arm is tens of meters long

He destroyed a part of his arm. His arm also didn't get destroyed until it was right in front of mel

Yes ??? DK’s arm

Him getting caught off guard is showing that he ain’t as cautious as you pretend, how could he know the energy is dangerous, he doesn’t even know what it is

Yes he wasn't cautious then 1k years ago to someone weaker than him. This is someone stronger with similar energy. He'd know it's dangerous coz his eye would sense it

Show him doing such things

Lmao i’ll take Meli starting in DK form then

2x2 is 4 + AM being Far higher + DK form being Far higher is enough for Meli to not get blitzed at all

If he starts in dk form then he has no amps. He's already in his strongest form.

If he starts in DK form in a 1v1 with no friends besides him he has no reason to not use his EE Aura ^^

This is funny. Alright explain why Mel didn't just stand there and deconstruct the DK. Why did he even fight the guy, why clash swords with him? Why make a sword with darkness and cut his arm off? Just stand there and release your aura and the guy goes by by.

Using in verse limits regarding gudodamas to apply them to NNT is fallacious, Gudodama are not shown to be absolute.

They can’t null everything and are typically shown not to erase ST ninjutsu.

Magic in NNT interacts with ST portals and Meliodas magic erase everything it touches even things like curses, mind, Memories, soul

They still survived and could regen through it high ranking demons aren’t even affected by durability negation you simply can’t phase through them trust me Ban tried lol

His win cons aren’t win cons tho

Voting Meliodas

It’s gonna get circular i’ll let People vote and unfollow this

Etso are capable of creating and erasing space time and it's on kaguya profile. So no it's not a verse limitation, it's just a plus for spade time ninjutsu.

The regen stuff is pointless. Yes they have good regen but unlike other people they have a fatal weakness which is their heart. Once his seven hearts gets pierced he can't regen from it and you can be damn well sure the guy that can see your entire body structure and has microscopic attacks 10x faster than you would immediately stab all your 7 hearts

 

[speedster352]

The regen stuff is pointless. Yes they have good regen but unlike other people they have a fatal weakness which is their heart. Once his seven hearts gets pierced he can't regen from it and you can be damn well sure the guy that can see your entire body structure and has microscopic attacks 10x faster than you would immediately stab all your 7 hearts

Why are you acting like the aura that Meliodas has around his body wouldn't deconstruct the rods instantly? Why is that even a win con? You want to talk about range? Meliodas has 10 kilometres of range with his darkness. Also with the ap gap attack like trillion dark would one-shot. Also, shrinking would not help; it would make the Trillion Dark attack worse or Meliodas's passives would hit. Isshiki would start with rods and boxes they get destoyed by true magic he gets in closer he gets hit by the passive and loses and then gets erased.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Why are you acting like the aura that Meliodas has around his body wouldn't deconstruct the rods instantly? Why is that even a win con? You want to talk about range? Meliodas has 10 kilometres of range with his darkness. Also with the ap gap attack like trillion dark would one-shot. Also, shrinking would not help; it would make the Trillion Dark attack worse or Meliodas's passives would hit. Isshiki would start with rods and boxes they get destoyed by true magic he gets in closer he gets hit by the passive and loses and then gets erased.

The aura stuff itself is in doubt. If he just has aura around him passively deconstructing everything then he wouldn't even need to fight inverse. He'd just stand and destroy the demon king. Even in the final fight he wouldn't have needed to team up with the sins, just stand and deconstruct the guy. Clearly his deconstruction is just with him attacking.

Trillion dark won't help, ishikki would just immediately store them in his dimension which is even worse for Mel as that's his darkness power, he'd instantly get weaker.

 

[Makai641001]

Again it doesn't. That's sukunahikona not daikokuten. We literally see kawaki store Naruto and hinata there

Show me their long range BFR

There are only examples of kawaki using his eye to do that. Ishikki never had a reason to coz there was never an opponent for him

Not in character for Isshiki

He destroyed a part of his arm.

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His arm also didn't get destroyed until it was right in front of mel

Cause Meliodas waited for Ban to get through the portal as I said multiple times

Yes he wasn't cautious then 1k years ago to someone weaker than him. This is someone stronger with similar energy. He'd know it's dangerous coz his eye would sense it

Couldn’t sense shit 1000 years ago but we should assume that he would against Mel ok

If he starts in dk form then he has no amps. He's already in his strongest form.

Yeah gl if he starts in DK form nothing he has gets past EE/decon

This is funny. Alright explain why Mel didn't just stand there and deconstruct the DK. Why did he even fight the guy, why clash swords with him? Why make a sword with darkness and cut his arm off? Just stand there and release your aura and the guy goes by by.

1) He fought alongside his friends
2) Once he use TM the world can’t hold his powers anymore (which means no life with Elisabeth)

Etso are capable of creating and erasing space time and it's on kaguya profile. So no it's not a verse limitation, it's just a plus for spade time ninjutsu.

Being able to destroy Amenominaka dimensions ≠ destroy ST ninjutsu it’s a limitation

The regen stuff is pointless. Yes they have good regen but unlike other people they have a fatal weakness which is their heart. Once his seven hearts gets pierced he can't regen from it and you can be damn well sure the guy that can see your entire body structure and has microscopic attacks 10x faster than you would immediately stab all your 7 hearts

Once again he can’t pierce him

HRD are immune to dura neg Ban tried to but couldn’t phase through

 

[Makai641001]

The aura stuff itself is in doubt. If he just has aura around him passively deconstructing everything then he wouldn't even need to fight inverse. He'd just stand and destroy the demon king. Even in the final fight he wouldn't have needed to team up with the sins, just stand and deconstruct the guy. Clearly his deconstruction is just with him attacking.

You’re just straight up biased + didn’t read

Unwatching this gl

 

[speedster352]

The aura stuff itself is in doubt. If he just has aura around him passively deconstructing everything then he wouldn't even need to fight inverse. He'd just stand and destroy the demon king. Even in the final fight he wouldn't have needed to team up with the sins, just stand and deconstruct the guy. Clearly his deconstruction is just with him attacking.

Trillion dark won't help, ishikki would just immediately store them in his dimension which is even worse for Mel as that's his darkness power, he'd instantly get weaker.

The thing is that it should work here on the rods; we are not saying he would like to destroy the air or dust, just material objects that get too close to him and that he would consider a threat. Like rods spawning on his body should be instantly disintegrated by his aura. For the demon king in purgatory thing, he was trying to escape; why would he try to continue to destroy the demon king when he is trying to escape, and the demon king could turn on his ruler ability and the effect could be reversed? That would be counterintuitive, and you're acting as if the ruler wouldn't potentially counter the ability, considering that it is magic. Also, he would obviously not want to use his power near his friends and his brother. Wouldn't Isshiki still get cooked because Meliodas could use clones to attack from another angle while he is shrinking the trillion dark, assuming he can shrink them all and fight Meliodas at the same time. Wouldn't the passives kick in and then Isshiki would lose? If he gets incapacitated, Meliodas would be able to one-shot with his AP advatage or hax.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Show me their long range BFR

Wdym long range bfr? I said he can open a portal as long as his eye can see

Not in character for Isshiki

Not in character ≠ will not use it. It just means it won't be his first move

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I didn't argue with you

Cause Meliodas waited for Ban to get through the portal as I said multiple times

What happened afterwards then. Why didn't he use it?

Couldn’t sense shit 1000 years ago but we should assume that he would against Mel ok

He could. He just couldn't fit any reason figure out why kaguya would want to betray him. It's not like he's always in battle mode

Yeah gl if he starts in DK form nothing he has gets past EE/decon

Again ishikki doesn't even need to get close to him. He gets blitzed before he can even do anything

1) He fought alongside his friends
2) Once he use TM the world can’t hold his powers anymore (which means no life with Elisabeth)

What? No I'm talking about in purgatory. He used trillion darts, used darkness swords and everything when he could simply flex his aura and deconstruct the demon king

Being able to destroy Amenominaka dimensions ≠ destroy ST ninjutsu it’s a limitation

No it is an upscale for space time ninjutsu. Clearly space time ninjutsu resists it

Once again he can’t pierce him

HRD are immune to dura neg Ban tried to but couldn’t phase through

?? There is nothing like immune to duraneg. You only resist the duraneg that is shown not to work against you so kindly drop a scan for Mel resisting microscopic attacks.

The thing is that it should work here on the rods; we are not saying he would like to destroy the air or dust, just material objects that get too close to him and that he would consider a threat. Like rods spawning on his body should be instantly disintegrated by his aura. For the demon king in purgatory thing, he was trying to escape; why would he try to continue to destroy the demon king when he is trying to escape, and the demon king could turn on his ruler ability and the effect could be reversed? That would be counterintuitive, and you're acting as if the ruler wouldn't potentially counter the ability, considering that it is magic. Also, he would obviously not want to use his power near his friends and his brother. Wouldn't Isshiki still get cooked because Meliodas could use clones to attack from another angle while he is shrinking the trillion dark, assuming he can shrink them all and fight Meliodas at the same time. Wouldn't the passives kick in and then Isshiki would lose? If he gets incapacitated, Meliodas would be able to one-shot with his AP advatage or hax.

What I'm doubting is his aura itself carrying deconstruction. Because if his aura did then his fights at the end of the series are pointless.

He fought the demon king for a long time and was even loosing (granted psychological trauma) to the point where the sins had to help him so clearly he can't just flex his aura and deconstruct things.
The only other example of him deconstructing anything which honestly is in doubt is on SD and it was clearly magic imbued to his weapon that made him achieve that. So to stand here and say there is just some passive aura flowing through his body that deconstructs everything is such a huge claim that you'd need to prove.

Ishikki won't be cooked. You keep forgetting that ishikki shrinking speed is 10x faster than both of them. He'd take care of anything coming his way before Mel can even react.

 

[TheHuntsman1001]

Voting Meliodas FRA.

Although I'll go ahead and mention Lostvayne since nobody else seems to have brought it up yet. Ishiki handled Naruto's Shadow Clones fine when he was speed blitzing them no diff, but with equal speed having to fight multiple clones of Meliodas who can all use his magic that would be far more overwhelming. They can all use his darkness/miasma, they all have the commandments, and all can use full counter. So all the ways Meliodas can counter Ishiki's kit are usable by his clones.

 

[speedster352]

What I'm doubting is his aura itself carrying deconstruction. Because if his aura did then his fights at the end of the series are pointless.

He fought the demon king for a long time and was even loosing (granted psychological trauma) to the point where the sins had to help him so clearly he can't just flex his aura and deconstruct things.
The only other example of him deconstructing anything which honestly is in doubt is on SD and it was clearly magic imbued to his weapon that made him achieve that. So to stand here and say there is just some passive aura flowing through his body that deconstructs everything is such a huge claim that you'd need to prove.

Again, he didn't use his true magic form because his friends were there; it's not like he wants to destroy them and maybe for plot reasons I feel like the author may have made the abilty too strong. We did prove that when he is using true magic, he has an aura that can deconstruct things that get too close to him, like the demon arm. So the rods, when they make contact, would get disintegrated; they are clearly foreign objects making contact with Meliodas and the aura. Then Meliodas could use a pincher attack, use Trillion Dark and clones to distract Isshiki, get closer and then his passives should take effect. By the way, shrinking the clones wouldn't work, and even if it did, he can remake them, and it doesn't cost him any stamina. Meliodas' win condition here is getting close, so his passives will take effect, incapacitating Isshiki since they are layered, then use EE.