Most people that I've seen make calcs for the speed of the verse don't accept the speedometer and can easily get really high values. The Champion being able to dodge a laser shot from a Gastropod when the laser is literally touching their hitbox could be calcd at like 11c. In this case it would be combat speed only, of course.
I would rate it like this
Wait did we lose the 5-C stuff from WOF/Mechs and eclipses?
the 5-C stuff is not supposed to be a thing in the first place because its literally just WoF spiritually sealing them which wouldnt scale to his physicals, im aiming to nuke 5-C
Alright. That's a little disappointing, is there not 7-C stuff from the destroyer's vibrations being able to be felt across the entire world? I think I've seen calcs that got in tier 7 for that.
The solar eclipses isn’t related to the ancient spirits at all though. Which I found “it being a seal” to be a bit of a funny reason to scale to it, rather than the game just showing he prevents them. With the final boss and evil bosses stated holding celestial / space objects to be a showcase of power. The pylons directly stating it while the evil bosses are directly stated as a benchmark of power for the corruption and crimson.
i thought it would be related since solar eclipses in this game only happen once a bunch of evil stuff is released and so does the solar tablets
i agree with mftl+ saucer because the only time martian probes are only ever seen are post-golem, which combines with the bestiary entry for the probes stating that they sensed champion's growing power and then got sent into super fast speeds.
If they have probes on the planet what if they are already near by
thinking about this, would the dodge technically be the same as the dash? its the exact same effect after all.
As stated by the bestiary they arrive the day of the golem’s death. Plus they are checking if there is even anything on the planet, why send a probe if you are going to be right above it in space when the probe can only be found in the line between earth and space
mr bambu still disagreed with immo type 4 on my hax thread and didnt even answer the stuff me and lou_change said about it lol
I'm keeping my good arguments for the MFTL+ martians for later when there's a CRT or something, I actually wrote an entire 6 page document with arguments for it, so I'm not going to flood this thread. I'm sure I could get them to trillions of c bare minimum. That's assuming the speedometer is dropped, of course.
He does that about alot of things. Reminds me of when the creeper calc got updated to use the same method we use now just on a different material and his only response was no. Glad though we can all agree on the immortality though. Want to include it in death battles I write and seeing pretty much everyone else agree on it is satisfying
I have literally never seen someone argue against the Champion's immortality outside of VSBW
I am working on a revision for the profile I would argue fishing for crates and the fact there isn't really an armor set locked away unless we assume they are just using the bare minimum recommended by the guide
The eye has quite a bit higher spawn requirements but no feats beyond pure upscale to separate him. So it’s awkward because many weapons scale to 8-B while others would be possibly 8-A. I can talk about the evil bosses tomorrow. Want to see what you guys think of the guide saying they prevent meteors and it being shown because meteors absolutely can’t fall till they die including meteor swarms. One will always fall upon the night they die
All bottomless buckets state that they contain an endless amount of the liquid they are holding, so they aren't generating it, they contain it. It being bottomless also means it can't be coming out of a pocket dimension, as it being bottomless implies that there's no separation of spacetime from the infinite liquid inside it to the outside world, its a continuous tunnel of the liquid that goes on forever, like an infinite well. Its a small bucket when looked from outside, but a bottomless well of liquid when you look at the inside of the bucket, the infinite amount of liquid isn't hidden in an inaccessible pocket dimension, its physically there.
I figured that more meant you weren't tough enough to survive and just scaled durability. Guide has lines that also help define progression but here is a question is the evil ore post eye
platinum pickaxe gets evil ore just fine, so no.
Platinum can also mine meteor which is invincible to the 8-B explosives (though I want to argue we should go away from those (since red loves traps and thus all of them interact wonky with the player versus everyone else) and see if the king slime’s ke to lightning can replace it, it lines up with the evil bosses being high 7-C if we use the big meteors and as I said earlier, lightning is intended to be interacted with by bosses)
“You are far too weak to defeat my curse. Come back when you aren't so worthless.”
The line about defeating them causing meteors to fall is that a stabilization feat or what exactly
The exact way they do it isn’t really stated. But they are stated in another creatures description to be the most powerful thing the corrupt can make at the time. If it’s the power of the corruption, they scale to it as stated to be a mark of power for the corruption, if it’s magic that’s shown to scale all over the place, if it’s sheer celestial power the pillars state that scales too. All esoteric power systems in the verse are either directly stated to be a showcase of your might or shown to scale. Even an energy rising after the golem’s death was seen as a physical threat to the Martians to the point the left their planet to attack it, so even generic energies are a showcase of power.
