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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

M3X_2.0 said:
It really isn't, he says he thinks it's exaggerated, so he writes as 10x. Not that it matters, though, it just goes to show that we don't index authors' intent or thoughts, but rather their work.
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As proven by this site accepting the guy who's most famous transformation is 'I get 50x stronger, faster, tougher' that still works to this very day...as infinitely powerful.
 
Breadbear83 said:
I calculated based on Gp972 updated statistical ratings for DBZ manga that if we used tao Pai Pai Class M feat, we would have Class Y SSJ3 Gotenks via multipliers

That's sounds worse than even the speed ratings tbh
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Now I'm curious (completely hypothetical!) if we applied the multipliers to stamina, how long would, say, Buu Saga Goku be able to fight? I'm guessing even being able to fight for 10 minutes in the Saiyan Saga would be months by the Buu Saga.
 
SomebodyData said:
Now I'm curious (completely hypothetical!) if we applied the multipliers to stamina, how long would, say, Buu Saga Goku be able to fight? I'm guessing even being able to fight for 10 minutes in the Saiyan Saga would be months by the Buu Saga.
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DBZ should have had consistent multiplier logic in the story itself tbh. It should have had a lot of things. I want to see Vegeta fry someone with gamma rays. I want to see Goku punch the evil out of a person. Give Goku Hax Damn It.
 
GodlyCharmander said:
The fact it's yellow and has the slightest hint of a glow is enough for you to conclude this obvious planet is a sun?
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I think it's a sun because Namek is explicitly stated to have three suns, and every time Namek is depicted from outer space, it's being surrounded by the same three very prominent celestial bodies with consistent visual characteristics. Would be a little strange if Toriyama told the audience the planet had three suns, went out of his way to illustrate three specific celestial bodies in the same orbit as Namek, and then had said celestial bodies actually be random planets for ***** and giggles. Planets nobody ever acknowledges, by the way, even though you'd think three entire planets with potentially inhabitable environments and intelligent life surrounding Namek would be noteworthy.

Vegeta acknowledges the suns, though.
 
SomebodyData said:
Now I'm curious (completely hypothetical!) if we applied the multipliers to stamina, how long would, say, Buu Saga Goku be able to fight? I'm guessing even being able to fight for 10 minutes in the Saiyan Saga would be months by the Buu Saga.
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Lowest possible character to starts multiplier is post muscle tower Goku, let's say he can fight for 1 hour

SSJ3 Gotenks can fight for 23 Quadrillion hours, or a little over 2.5 Trillion years, that's at least dozens of times the age of the universe

(Levels of outliers I can't ever believe could ever exist, haven't even seen any feat in fiction of non infinity stamina that reaches these stupid results)
 
ALEPHGOAT said:
DBZ should have had consistent multiplier logic in the story itself tbh. It should have had a lot of things. I want to see Vegeta fry someone with gamma rays. I want to see Goku punch the evil out of a person. Give Goku Hax Damn It.
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Goku punching the evil out of someone sounds like an ability Goku would have lol
Breadbear83 said:
Lowest possible character to starts multiplier is post muscle tower Goku, let's say he can fight for 1 hour

SSJ3 Gotenks can fight for 23 Quadrillion hours, or a little over 2.5 Trillion years, that's at least dozens of times the age of the universe

(Levels of outliers I can't ever believe could ever exist, haven't even seen any feat in fiction of non infinity stamina that reaches these stupid results)
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Actually insane lmfao
 
Breadbear83 said:
Lowest possible character to starts multiplier is post muscle tower Goku, let's say he can fight for 1 hour

SSJ3 Gotenks can fight for 23 Quadrillion hours, or a little over 2.5 Trillion years, that's at least dozens of times the age of the universe

(Levels of outliers I can't ever believe could ever exist, haven't even seen any feat in fiction of non infinity stamina that reaches these stupid results)
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Actually the "higher stamina" may be because their energy attacks and the energy they use to enhance themselves is higher? The stamina going to the stats enhancement, becoming irrelevant as it's being used more and more

You could say at least that Buu saga Goku, while suppressing himself to Saiyan saga level could fight for far longer than Saiyan saga Goku going all out
 
Breadbear83 said:
I calculated based on Gp972 updated statistical ratings for DBZ manga that if we used tao Pai Pai Class M feat, we would have Class Y SSJ3 Gotenks via multipliers

That's sounds worse than even the speed ratings tbh
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Talking about Pai Pai, I think we could scale it more higher, And I'd also say that Roshi and Goku are 1/10 of the Kamehameha.
 
SomebodyData said:
Now I'm curious (completely hypothetical!) if we applied the multipliers to stamina, how long would, say, Buu Saga Goku be able to fight? I'm guessing even being able to fight for 10 minutes in the Saiyan Saga would be months by the Buu Saga.
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Ki is stamina, and also the energy that sustains your life. Stamina depends on how much Ki you exerts. Fighting a weak opponent that you most hold back a lot of power doesn't really drain much of your ki which is also your stamina, but fighting strong opponent where you need to exerts full of your power, it gonna drain your Ki very fast, and since Ki is both stamina and your life, drain Ki also drain your life as well.

Also higher Ki = stronger power = higher speed. So high Ki battle actually finish faster than low Ki battle, unless you toying around with vastly weaker character

Well, hypothetically speaking, yeah, higher amount of Ki gonna make you last longer in a fight. Realistically? Well.......
 
The scaling should we:

Roshi/Goku: 1
Oozaru Goku/kamehameha: 10

Tao pai pai: >1
Goku >1
Goku(post Training): >2
Tao pai pai 23 tournament: >3
 
Nullflowerblush said:
I think it's a sun because Namek is explicitly stated to have three suns
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False association.

Just because Namek has three suns doesn't mean that any celestial body next to it is automatically one of these three suns.

Nullflowerblush said:
prominent celestial bodies with consistent visual characteristics
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That's fine. From how close we see Namek, for these suns to illuminate the planet without literally burning liquid water, they wouldn't be visible or incredibly tiny in the background.

Nullflowerblush said:
Planets nobody ever acknowledges, by the way, even though you'd think three entire planets with potentially inhabitable environments and intelligent life surrounding Namek would be noteworthy.
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??? No one said nothing about the quality of these planets. Also, uh. anyway, here's every time the planets are acknowledged
 
GodlyCharmander said:
False association.

Just because Namek has three suns doesn't mean that any celestial body next to it is automatically one of these three suns.



That's fine. From how close we see Namek, for these suns to illuminate the planet without literally burning liquid water, they wouldn't be visible or incredibly tiny in the background.



??? No one said nothing about the quality of these planets. Also, uh. anyway, here's every time the planets are acknowledged
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Also this is entirely possible. given none of the orbiting celestia bodies in this panel are in front of Namek, proving without a doubt that the suns that illuminate it are off screen.

Well, if there's none in the front, that proves at least one of them is off-screen:

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denisnic55 said:
Let's say that BS goes through, how bad is the the nerf?
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Not BS, technically just the enforcement of already established rules. Surprised this fell under the radar for so long.

MFTL+ characters go to At least FTL, if no further feats can be identified.
 
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denisnic55 said:
Let's say that BS goes through, how bad is the the nerf?
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There are other MFTL feats that were poorly debunked that can be used. The bigger surprise is it being a standard at all because its such a laughably shitty precedent to try and set in terms of what to reasonably expect from any given piece of fiction. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets changed, meanwhile its basically just this months excuse for people to come in here and be antagonistic and inflammatory and get away with it.

Supporters are expecting it to go through given it was purposely made a staff thread so supporters have a limited amount of posts, meaning they can basically be stonewalled and outlasted.
 
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XXBenShapiroXx said:
There are other MFTL feats that were poorly debunked that can be used. The bigger surprise is it being a standard at all because its such a laughably shitty precedent to try and set in terms of what to reasonably expect from any given piece of fiction. I wouldn't be surprised if it gets changed, meanwhile its basically just this months excuse for people to come in here and be antagonistic and inflammatory and get away with it.

Supporters are expecting it to go through given it was purposely made a staff thread so supporters have a limited amount of posts, meaning they can basically be stonewalled and outlasted.
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and this is why i don't like how VSBW does things
 
SomebodyData said:
technically just the enforcement of already established rules
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The already established rules state that the mere evidence that the multiplier is relevant to the story is enough to justify them, even for high multipliers.

The current argument in the OP is expecting constant output of speed feats in storylines that did not care about them in any conceivable way. Actively punishing a narrative choice to focus on "character to character" interaction.
 
XXBenShapiroXx said:
Supporters are expecting it to go through given it was purposely made a staff thread so supporters have a limited amount of posts, meaning they can basically be stonewalled and outlasted.
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This isn't actually happening, you're just inventing an evil bogeyman to get mad at. Let me know when all of the 50 other thread mods/admins have agreed to prevent GodlyCharmander from posting a useful comment so they can stonewall the thread, and I will personally approve his post.

It was made staff only so it wouldn't be flooded with comments that don't add much (jokes, non-staff users saying "agree FRA"/"disagree FRA", people bringing up tangents that aren't particularly important, etc.)
GodlyCharmander said:
The current argument in the OP is expecting constant output of speed feats in storylines that did not care about them in any conceivable way. Actively punishing a narrative choice to focus on "character to character" interaction.
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Providing evidence that characters are unfathomably strong/fast does require your writing to be immensely cringe, that is true. Especially if you're not content with "Far faster than this 5c feat", and want to actually get hard numbers like "five quintillion times lightspeed".
 
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GodlyCharmander said:
The already established rules state that the mere evidence that the multiplier is relevant to the story is enough to justify them, even for high multipliers.

The current argument in the OP is expecting constant output of speed feats in storylines that did not care about them in any conceivable way. Actively punishing a narrative choice to focus on "character to character" interaction.
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If we applied this logic to SMT it gets downgraded. I will defend multiversal immeasurable SMT to my last breath but under this 'FEATS MUST CONSTANTLY BE SHOWN' logic it earns neither of those things
 
ALEPHGOAT said:
If we applied this logic to SMT it gets downgraded. I will defend multiversal immeasurable SMT to my last breath but under this 'FEATS MUST CONSTANTLY BE SHOWN' logic it earns neither of those things
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the 'constantly be shown' thing is not true thats not what op was saying
you just need 1 comparable feat
there's like 5 ftl-mftl feats but no one has bothered to post them for some reason
 
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