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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

StarShooter80 said:
He isn't attacking any of you directly he's just poking fun at how slow Dragon Ball is getting downgraded to, and how other far weaker verses can now legitimately keep up with them. It's the same thing as when VS Battles was trending online for how Chicken Little could solo the Big 3.
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Iirc I think the stacking debunk from Chariot also affects AP for not just Z manga, but the entire series as a whole except for Heroes. So like

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Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Just a question, if this was the other way round would this be okay? Yes, that means me openly going into the Jojo thread and intentionally slandering the verse or advocating for attention through instigating. If not then, the double standards are crazy. Y’all are getting too comfortable but the moment it’s pinpointed that’s where set people seem to become professional level actors, acting a scene of being perplexed
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C'mon man, it's clearly a joke. People joke about downgrades/upgrades every time, DB is not the exception.

Haven't you seen the whole meme of Vegeta saying "It's only a BLANK, how come it's so strong!?"?
 
StarShooter80 said:
He isn't attacking any of you directly he's just poking fun at how slow Dragon Ball is getting downgraded to, and how other far weaker verses can now legitimately keep up with them. It's the same thing as when VS Battles was trending online for how Chicken Little could solo the Big 3.
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Sure, sure, a random JoJo fan coming with memes that aren’t funny at all and annoying us, “not attacking” 😂

I’m only going to warn you once: we don’t go into your CRTs to provoke opponents just because you suffered a downgrade. If you provoke again, I’ll report you for this kind of behavior. I don’t care who you are, just stop with this.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Sure, sure, a random JoJo fan coming with memes that aren’t funny at all and annoying us, “not attacking” 😂

I’m only going to warn you once: we don’t go into your CRTs to provoke opponents just because you took a downgrade. If you provoke again, I’ll report you for this kind of behavior. I don’t care who you are, just stop with this.
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I think I want a second opinion.
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StarShooter80 said:
Wdym starts with 100x sorry?

He isn't attacking any of you directly he's just poking fun at how slow Dragon Ball is getting downgraded to, and how other far weaker verses can now legitimately keep up with them. It's the same thing as when VS Battles was trending online for how Chicken Little could solo the Big 3.
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Not attacking us directly doesn’t mean much. He’s quite literally running it in our faces so in a way whether direct or indirect it’d be effecting us nonetheless. Jokes or agendas have a fine line, you can joke as such without being an ass. Plus this line of logic is just objectively untrue, feelings will be hurt regardless of if said joke is targeted towards franchise or users. You clearly haven’t seen what I’ve seen or others have that’s exempt from onsite so I don’t think your say encompasses this entirely.
Eden_Warlock99 said:
It's an online forum where we fight over how hard cartoon characters could punch if they were real, this stuff really isn't that serious.
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It’s also not that serious the point of trying to antagonise and poke at users. Lack of attention or valued responses isn’t going to harm you. You can go be people pleasers or rack likes in your own den. If you did your research you would know this is quite common too. As said earlier it’s just that people have become increasingly sick and tired of it.

Baken384 said:
cant have fun around here cant we?
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Could you answer my question? If not I’ll take it as this being double standards since thats what this likely is. There’s also a pattern I’ve been recognising too so I’d rather you not act obtuse. If you were going to hide it at least space it out plausibly to avoid suspicion.
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Could you answer my question? If not I’ll take it as this being double standards since thats what this likely is.
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buddy look at my profile activity, i barely go on here anymore other than on Zenless and Resident Evil thread, and I just heard some downgrades were happening and it sounded funny. It's not that deep cuhh
 
Saqphire said:
Iirc I think the stacking debunk from Chariot also affects AP for not just Z manga, but the entire series as a whole except for Heroes. So like
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Wasn't the point of OP just about the z manga's speed? Like even in Chariot's giant message response he's only really covering the speed aspects of stuff.

The AP multipliers actually has higher feats for characters that makes the multipliers more consistent and less egregious, like First Form Frieza being Small Star+, with far stronger characters being High 4-C via multipliers, which is consistent with another character who dominates them, being way above baseline Solar System.

Maybe it's not perfect but hell does it have a better argument than MFTL+ speeds lmao.
Saqphire said:
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This DID infact happened, y'all just needed to look more carefully. Plus I recall there being like, sixty more multiverses there come on
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Sure, sure, a random JoJo fan coming with memes that aren’t funny at all and annoying us, “not attacking” 😂

I’m only going to warn you once: we don’t go into your CRTs to provoke opponents just because you took a downgrade. If you provoke again, I’ll report you for this kind of behavior. I don’t care who you are, just stop with this.
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A joke being unfunny to you doesn't suddenly mean that it must be an attack to you.
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Not attacking us directly doesn’t mean much. He’s quite literally running it in our faces so in a way whether direct or indirect it’d be effecting us nonetheless. Jokes or agendas have a fine line, you can joke as such without being an ass. Plus this line of logic is just objectively untrue, feelings will be hurt regardless of if said joke is targeted towards franchise or users. You clearly haven’t seen what I’ve seen or others have that’s exempt from onsite so I don’t think your say encompasses this entirely.
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If this genuinely upsets you so much then that's on you, these are fictional characters someone slandering them in this thread isn't targeting anyone, no one is being made fun of again, it's just joking about how much slower they became. I heavily doubt any malicious intent was made in that joke, that somewhere buried beneath was an intent to hurt someone's feelings, when the joke is about how Jotaro now speed blitzes Goku.
 
StarShooter80 said:
If this genuinely upsets you so much then that's on you, these are fictional characters someone slandering them in this thread isn't targeting anyone, no one is being made fun of again, it's just joking about how much slower they became. I heavily doubt any malicious intent was made in that joke, that somewhere buried beneath was an intent to hurt someone's feelings, when the joke is about how Jotaro now speed blitzes Goku.
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Nah, it’s not about being upset it’s about disrespect. I’m not upset rather it’s disrespectful to do this here with people who are usually tame and pacifists. I never once disagree with the fact slandering happens across all of fiction either. Uh? I think I already said that while no one is being targeted, the target at hand is what’s causing others to be upset? Did you just conveniently miss that out? It’s not difficult to monologue or think before doing an action of something that could attract negative responses. That’s what we have minds for. Yeah you’re missing context and that’s fine, this is where I don’t actually have to listen to you as much since I’ve seen the full context myself and you haven’t. I mean that with all due respect, maybe in another circumstance, yeah. Not here though.
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Nah, it’s not about being upset it’s about disrespect.
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You said earlier that it could hurt someone's feeling but alright
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
I’m not upset rather it’s disrespectful to do this here with people who are usually tame and pacifists. I never once disagree with the fact slandering happens across all of fiction either. Uh? I think I already said that while no one is being targeted, the target at hand is what’s causing others to be upset? Did you just conveniently miss that out? It’s not difficult to monologue or think before doing an action of something that could attract negative responses. That’s what we have minds for. Yeah you’re missing context and that’s fine, this is where I don’t actually have to listen to you as much since I’ve seen the full context myself and you haven’t. I mean that with all due respect, maybe in another circumstance, yeah. Not here though.
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Nothing about it disrespects the people here, and also if it isn't direct like you admit it then it is, again, a non issue. Slandering other people's verses here has been a thing for a while now, there was always a general consensus that it's fine to do that as long as no one is targeted, and that's completely fine. Trying to warp the context or do some mental acrobatics to try and express why it's actually not fine isn't gonna cut it for me.
 
StarShooter80 said:
You said earlier that it could hurt someone's feeling but alright

Nothing about it disrespects the people here, and also if it isn't direct like you admit it then it is, again, a non issue. Slandering other people's verses here has been a thing for a while now, there was always a general consensus that it's fine to do that as long as no one is targeted, and that's completely fine. Trying to warp the context or do some mental acrobatics to try and express why it's actually not fine isn't gonna cut it for me.
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Again, lacking context. Your point isn’t all encompassing either as I said before. That’s assuming we were in that scenario, which we aren’t. It seems like you’re looking for reason to negate toxicity and issue it as plain old slandering but it’s deeper than that. Regardless of what you think to be frank I don’t care. You’re clearly not up to date and that’s fine. I don’t fault you for it. Slandering to an extent* rather. Just like ragebaiting which slandering can be categorised as, it has its limits. Excessive slandering and ragebaits leaves for question which I’m sure you and many other know. No one is trying to warp the context, you’re just misinformed and that’s fine. The fact you’re accusing me of warping when warping on the negative end is something that isn’t rare here is definitely interesting. Yeah, for you. The same YOU that hasn’t bothered to remain on neutral stance upon hearing my statement. You can be that YOU and stay as YOU elsewhere, not with me.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
I’m only going to warn you once: we don’t go into your CRTs to provoke opponents just because you suffered a downgrade. If you provoke again, I’ll report you for this kind of behavior. I don’t care who you are, just stop with this.
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Good luck getting it through when Agnaa liked his meme lol. It's a joke.
StarShooter80 said:
Wasn't the point of OP just about the z manga's speed? Like even in Chariot's giant message response he's only really covering the speed aspects of stuff.
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Chariot attacked all aspects of Dragon Ball scaling, cuz he said every single medium apart from Super's manga suffers from the multiplier inflation, and the Z manga isn't even the worst offender of this. He also attacked the UES stuff
StarShooter80 said:
The AP multipliers actually has higher feats for characters that makes the multipliers more consistent and less egregious, like First Form Frieza being Small Star+, with far stronger characters being High 4-C via multipliers, which is consistent with another character who dominates them, being way above baseline Solar System.
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Fairs. A bit less consistent but at least not as bad as the speed one
StarShooter80 said:
Maybe it's not perfect but hell does it have a better argument than MFTL+ speeds lmao.
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This is true, I can grant you that. There is clear showing of strength progression here
 
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Again, lacking context. Your point isn’t all encompassing either as I said before. That’s assuming we were in that scenario, which we aren’t. It seems like you’re looking for reason to negate toxicity and issue it as plain old slandering but it’s deeper than that. Regardless of what you think to be frank I don’t care. You’re clearly not up to date and that’s fine. I don’t fault you for it. Slandering to an extent* rather. Just like ragebaiting which slandering can be categorised as, it has its limits. Excessive slandering and ragebaits leaves for question which I’m sure you and many other know. No one is trying to warp the context, you’re just misinformed and that’s fine. The fact you’re accusing me of warping when warping on the negative end is something that isn’t rare here is definitely interesting. Yeah, for you. The same YOU that hasn’t bothered to remain on neutral stance upon hearing my statement. You can be that YOU and stay as YOU elsewhere, not with me.
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This is just you saying I'm leaving out context, being misinformed and accusing that I'm just allowing rage bait.

Like I can read the thread too? I've seen that message, and there is nothing more to the context than what I said before. You are overexerting what that original message could possibly entail so unnecessarily, just calm down man. Powerscaling was never this serious to begin with nor are agendas
Gamin_Yoon23 said:
Regardless of what you think to be frank I don’t care.
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Makes a paragraph response for what I think like alright
 
Gp972 said:
I've noticed that lately Dragon Ball is being heavily hated on social media; some people are saying that Goku isn't even planet-level.
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Social Medias are a whole other can of worms when it comes to powerscaling, especially TikTok, YouTube and Instagram. Don't be so surprised. They're perfect for engagement bait.
 
Saqphire said:
Chariot attacked all aspects of Dragon Ball scaling, cuz he said every single medium apart from Super's manga suffers from the multiplier inflation, and the Z manga isn't even the worst offender of this. He also attacked the UES stuff
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His UES section was just about how trying to mix speed with that doesn't really work good, since other characters or transformations can have their speed be superior to their AP, or the other way around, nothing about how the verses' UES is entirely bogus iicr. Not sure where he said in the thread that the franchise as a whole here has a multiplier inflation problem. The CRT only concerns the combat speed of the manga anyways as per the OP, I don't think going into other continuities in that same thread would be productive.
 
StarShooter80 said:
This is just you saying I'm lacking out context, being misinformed and accusing that I'm just allowing rage bait. (You couldn’t stop it to begin with)
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I’ll act as I please and I’m calmed down. Don’t worry for my wellbeing, that’s the least of your worries. Plus your comment goes both ways. You can figure it out yourself. Your worry should expand as far as the chronically online batch, put your sensory to the test. “Over exerting” let’s finish it here, I said my piece you said yours. We don’t see eye to eye conversation done.
StarShooter80 said:
Makes a paragraph response for what I think like alright
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Oh don’t get me wrong, I didn’t plan to convince you in the slightest. Your first comment I saw was proof of that, me not caring has to do with no matter what you say my mind remains unscathed. If it’s the same with you too then fair enough, each to their own. I guess I could say whatever you think it is it’s sometimes deeper than that

Fezzih_007 said:
You say that, after writting a whole paragraph about It? If you didn't care, you just ignore It.
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That’s the more logical thing to do which I initially planned to do now anyway. I meant not caring as in his speech isn’t going to move me and I don’t care if mine doesn’t either.
 
StarShooter80 said:
His UES section was just about how trying to mix speed with that doesn't really work good, since other characters or transformations can have their speed be superior to their AP, or the other way around, nothing about how the verses' UES is entirely bogus iicr. Not sure where he said in the thread that the franchise as a whole here has a multiplier inflation problem. The CRT only concerns the combat speed of the manga anyways as per the OP, I don't think going into other continuities in that same thread would be productive.
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And this gets even worse mind you, because AP has the same issue. People keep acting like the AP multiplication is perfectly consistent and then go "speed = AP, so speed is fine too", yet, the AP feats don't support the multiplier chain either.

The actual feats and the multiplier chain never line up at any point.

Before the next big feat, the chain always undershoots by hundreds or thousands of times. Then later, after Cell, the chain shoots millions of times above the last feat without any new feat corroborating anything.
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All continuities (except Toei mostly)
The best the verse has for this are vague long-distance travel statements that don't even support the multiplier numbers to begin with, and those got caveats anyway. Cell is vague and lifespan-based and more. Buu has teleportation, absorption, immortality, unknown timeframe, and the Bibidi ship issue. Beerus is legit af but doesn't backscale to Z. Piccolo's spaceship feat is far below what the multipliers say it should be.

Beyond that, you maybe get a few low FTL feats at best.

And yet we're stacking multiplier after multiplier after multiplier until we get these absurd values. For what? It sure can't be accuracy, the values being produced are not only not implied by the source material, they're actively fought or contradicted by a lot of the actual showings.

And this applies to basically every continuity besides Toei.

Manga?
Basically nothing. Maybe you can worm out a low FTL feat here or there, but the manga absolutely doesn't support the insane multiplier speed chain.

Kai?
A bit less egregious. You can definitely make a case for MFTL or maybe MFTL+ depending on what you use, but it's still excessive by the end. Even there, the multiplier chain is inflated by tens of thousands of times at best.

Toei?
Toei's mostly fine. They actually have some stuff to bridge the gaps. If any version has the least awful case here, it's Toei.

Super manga?
It's basically the manga problem again, except now Piccolo and Jiren get some MFTL stuff. But even then, those feats are still a few quadrillion times below what the multiplier chain says they should be. So it's the same issue: some feats are real, but they don't actually support the multiplier inflation. Stick to the feats, and only use the most explicit instant/transmission-type stuff where it's actually relevant, like be fr now.

Super anime?
Unironically, this might be the worst offender in the history of the site, Invisible Dragon fears what they may become.

And that's ironic too, given DBS anime actually has some absurd as hell feats. The problem is that even absurd feats still get exploited.

Take Beerus' energy ball feat. That feat is extremely high, bonkers even. It's one of the best feats that scales to a lot of the cast. But even that feat gets completely dwarfed once multipliers get stacked on top of it.
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