UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Ness can't use PK Starstorm, but the Knight does seem to have some weird connection to Earthbound in a way

Soo it psi is magic...

Also smash bros ness can use Pk starstorm and if remenber correctly kris have a smash bros copy.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Soo it psi is magic...

PSI is only called magic by one random little girl NPC who couldn't remember what Paula's ability was called. But uh, maybe?

 

[Kellex]

Soo it psi is magic...

Now now, let's not try to be like Game Theory and connect two different verses lol.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

PSI is only called magic by one random little girl NPC who couldn't remember what Paula's ability was called. But uh, maybe?

https://earthbound.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_pudding_(EarthBound)

Now now, let's not try to be like Game Theory and connect two different verses lol.

You dont even need to think too much tho

Magic in undertale and deltarune use "soul" energy

 

[Randomuser3412]

https://earthbound.fandom.com/wiki/Magic_pudding_(EarthBound)

Read the trivia section
Also, hell yeah, let's turn this into EARTHBOUND discussion thread

 

[Kellex]

You dont even need to think too much tho

Magic in undertale and deltarune use "soul" energy

I'm moreso talking about connecting Earthbound and UTDR in general.

Also, hell yeah, let's turn this into EARTHBOUND discussion thread

Finally... more supporters...
Although there's already a Earthbound discussion thread that I made awhile back.

 

[LittleGuy99]

PEAK
Look at this

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Do any of you think with these Undertale downgrade threads it's possible that sans' durability negation might end up debunked and removed somehow?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Nah, no way. Not if @ShionAH is here.

 

[Kellex]

Do any of you think with these Undertale downgrade threads it's possible that sans' durability negation might end up debunked and removed somehow?

No, I do not think so at all.
If that happens, @ShionAH would shred the downgrade thread to pieces.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I'm just saying like those last two downgrade threads pretty much went through and no one was able to successfully debunk them.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Nah, no way. Not if @ShionAH is here.

Sans glazers! Your world is destroyed. Surrender is your only option.

NOOO! I CHOOSE DEATH!

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Do any of you think with these Undertale downgrade threads it's possible that sans' durability negation might end up debunked and removed somehow?

Hi. Definitely not. Because his attack does the same damage per frame regardless of your defense and equipment.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Hi. Definitely not. Because his attack does the same damage per frame regardless of your defense and equipment.

His damage does actually get reduced a bit by Cloudy Glasses + Torn Notebook but that's more hax ye
And Ig you could also argue that sans just downscales heavily from us and that's why he can deal 1 damage

but still there's no worry cause of the aforementioned reason.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I do wonder what the last 5 or 4 downgrade threads will be about though?

 

[Randomuser3412]

His damage does actually get reduced a bit by Cloudy Glasses + Torn Notebook but that's more hax ye

His DPS gets reduced, but his damage stays the same (maybe KARMA initial hit damage lowers, but I'm not too sure about that)

 

[ShockingPsychic]

I wanna do some UT calcs for fun. Probably just support 9-C/9-B stuff. Can anyone link me the current accepted sizes?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

His damage does actually get reduced a bit by Cloudy Glasses + Torn Notebook but that's more hax ye

Yep, those classes and notebooks are straight up resistence to Sans' specific dura neg, since they provide a lower defense than the locket.

And Ig you could also argue that sans just downscales heavily from us and that's why he can deal 1 damage

I think doing one damage from 99 HP shouldn't be downscaling, the game doesn't accomodate for 0 damage attacks for the most part (looking at you Asriel)

 

[Randomuser3412]

I really thought Gerson's schtick of appearing in 8 places at once because of his speed would get a result better than like Supersonic. Hm

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I really thought Gerson's schtick of appearing in 8 places at once because of his speed would get a result better than like Supersonic. Hm

Imagine he did that while in that sound room, lmao

 

[Randomuser3412]

Imagine he did that while in that sound room, lmao

This is technically just my headcanon, but he totally could imo

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I think doing one damage from 99 HP shouldn't be downscaling, the game doesn't accomodate for 0 damage attacks for the most part (looking at you Asriel)

Does sans' telekinesis have dura neg too? (Idk how that would work if he's just throwing your soul around).

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Does sans' telekinesis have dura neg too? (Idk how that would work if he's just throwing your soul around).

Nope. Prolly not.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Nope. Prolly not.

So, since it can damage Frisk, would it upscale things that do zero damage to Frisk?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

So, since it can damage Frisk, would it upscale things that do zero damage to Frisk?

Which are...?

 

[Randomuser3412]

Ralsei is the first party member to unavoidably murder someone. This is interesting... maybe

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Ralsei is the first party member to unavoidably murder someone. This is interesting... maybe

Do you think given his mindset that darkness aren't worth anything, that he doesn't consider it murder?

 

[Randomuser3412]

Do you think given his mindset that darkness aren't worth anything, that he doesn't consider it murder?

He didn't seem too broken up about killing it. He definitely wouldn't do the same to a Lightner, though.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Which are...?

Street to (barely) wall level falls and Mettaton's death explosion (Ex/Neo), low tier stuff like that. (Though, sans' tk would upscale pretty massively since it can damage a fully armored Frisk and Frisk can tank those things without armor).

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Which are...?

That explosion and the fall.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Street to (barely) wall level falls and Mettaton's death explosion (Ex/Neo), low tier stuff like that. (Though, sans' tk would upscale pretty massively since it can damage a fully armored Frisk and Frisk can tank those things without armor).

I don't think the defense stat matters, Sans does 1 damage regardless of your DEF stat.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Ralsei swings his scarf pretty fast here. Could probably get a higher result than SOJ swinging its hammer, really. You can still see his scarf's movement compared to the sound normally, it's just a lot easier to make out in this video

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I don't think the defense stat matters, Sans does 1 damage regardless of your DEF stat.

I guess he could just still upscale by Frisk having 0 def for most of those feats.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

I don't think the defense stat matters, Sans does 1 damage regardless of your DEF stat.

So, then his tk does have dura neg?

 

[Moon_Crasher]

So, then his tk does have dura neg?

I'm talking about that ending moment where he gets mad and slams your soul a bunch and does one damage per slam until he gets tired.

 

[ShockingPsychic]

Do all the currently accepted calcs use the correct sizes? I seem to remember that they needed to be updated, don't wanna use the wrong numbers

 

[GodlyCharmander]

I'm talking about that ending moment where he gets mad and slams your soul a bunch and does one damage per slam until he gets tired.

So, then his tk does have dura neg?

Nope!

During the entire game, Frisk's durability varies while keeping the same defense stats throughout the entire game in Pacifist. Even if you put up armor, you will still receive damage relative to the area you're in. So Sans' doing 1 damage downscales from whatever value LV 19 Geno Frisk (with determination) scales to, not their def stat

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Do all the currently accepted calcs use the correct sizes? I seem to remember that they needed to be updated, don't wanna use the wrong numbers

Yes, all the debunked calcs have been removed from the verse page iirc.

 

[Moon_Crasher]

Nope!

During the entire game, Frisk's durability varies while keeping the same defense stats throughout the entire game in Pacifist. Even if you put up armor, you will still receive damage relative to the area you're in. So Sans' doing 1 damage downscales from whatever value LV 19 Geno Frisk (with determination) scales to, not their def stat

I'd imagine it'd probably still upscale things that do literally nothing to Frisk though?

 

[Kellex]

Yes, all the debunked calcs have been removed from the verse page iirc.

Except for the gaster blaster range tho, that'll be reduced to a mere 5.1 meter.