[MCU] Low Tier Characters lifting strength CRT

[Maikolpry]

Well, this is simple:

Kingpin is Class 10 for ripping off a jaw.

1. Daredevil has flipped Kingpin down and struggled with him.
2. Maya Lopez scales from DD
3. Hawkeye has grappled with Maya Lopez
4. Black Widow has grappled with Hawkeye

Also

1. Ghost, White Tiger, Yelena Belova, Falcon and Dottie Underwood scales from BW and Hawkeye
2. Iron Fist, Muse, Bullseye, She-Hulk and Punisher scales from DD

 

[Oiguana2701]

Looks good to me.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

OP looks fine to me.

 

[M3X_2.0]

You should provide feats to justify the scaling between these characters in LS

 

[Maikolpry]

You should provide feats to justify the scaling between these characters in LS

The scaling is in the profiles

 

[AmonInChains]

Isn't this similar to the verse rule being discussed for comics regarding speed? Basically making a gigantic scaling chain based on a single feat.

I think there should be more justifications/provide directly the feats for the characters, as M3X mentioned.

 

[Maikolpry]

Isn't this similar to the verse rule being discussed for comics regarding speed? Basically making a gigantic scaling chain based on a single feat.

I think there should be more justifications/provide directly the feats for the characters, as M3X mentioned.

You only have to look at the profiles to see the consistency.

I'm not making a big change, just adjusting the levels; all the scaling is already accepted, it's just the level that's wrong.

 

[Rex_Eckles]

The scaling is in the profiles

He might be talking about supporting feats to establish consistency.

 

[Hellbeast]

Eh I mean you could get that but the profiles themselves already accept the scaling?

For what it’s worth Punisher does have casual neck snapping feats that have him as Class 1 already and we do know Kingpin can tear open his steel handcuffs. So it could be fine?

 

[Lacku]

Not too sure how I feel about this scaling chain since Class 10 is so much higher than every other street tier feat for the MCU. Since being reintroduced in Hawkeye, Kingpin's been presented as more superhuman than he felt during the Netflix era. But at the same time there's nothing that suggests that he's gotten stronger apart from pure visuals so ig it's not like it contradicts anything.

 

[Dinobot1996]

The only other Class 10 calculation for a peak human in the MCU that I know of is this old one for Elsa Bloodstone, except it's unevaluated, and if it does ever get accepted she lacks showings or statements directly comparing her to the main peak human scaling chain. I guess you could possibly put together a case for Skrulls being able to upscale from that feat due to them being accepted as 15% stronger than humans (The percentage statements for Secret Invasion were made after Werewolf by Night was released), then backscale other peak humans back to that or something.

Another option might be calculating Talos breaking chains and backscaling peak humans to it depending on the results it gets.

I suppose someone could also attempt calculating Daredevil breaking off a piece of rebar in Born Again season 2.

 

[RoTt35]

There's also Kingpin ripping off a car door

 

[KLOL506]

IIRC, car door ripping feats are generally Peak Human LS.

Jaw ripping calc IIRC wasn't evaluated, no idea if it's even valid.

 

[Maikolpry]

Jaw ripping calc IIRC wasn't evaluated, no idea if it's even valid.

Therefir and Flashlight237 accepted the calc

 

[KLOL506]

Therefir and Flashlight237 accepted the calc

I would like to see @Qawsedf234 and @DontTalkDT's input on the calc as well, since Qawsedf was the one who brought in the original jaw ripping Class 50 downgrade.

 

[Maikolpry]

I would like to see @Qawsedf234 and @DontTalkDT's input on the calc as well, since Qawsedf was the one who brought in the original jaw ripping Class 50 downgrade.

Still accepted anyways

 

[RoTt35]

IIRC, car door ripping feats are generally Peak Human LS.

I saw calcs going from Class 5/10 to Class 50, so if they are valid it might be worth calculating Kingpin's specific feat

 

[Qawsedf234]

I would like to see @Qawsedf234 and @DontTalkDT's input on the calc as well, since Qawsedf was the one who brought in the original jaw ripping Class 50 downgrade.

The Jaw Calc was downgraded because it used Turkey leg muscles.

For the scaling the main issue is consistency rather than the feat itself.

 

[KLOL506]

The Jaw Calc was downgraded because it used Turkey leg muscles.

What's your opinion on the new calc?

 

[Qawsedf234]

What's your opinion on the new calc?

The calc is fine. The main issue is more the direction of force from Fisk rather than the tendons. Tensile strength is strongest when its being stretched parallel to the longest part. Fisk moved the jaw at a perpendicular angle until it broke on him. So it may be torsion strength or just shear strength rather than tensile strength.

 

[Lacku]

The calc is fine. The main issue is more the direction of force from Fisk rather than the tendons. Tensile strength is strongest when its being stretched parallel to the longest part. Fisk moved the jaw at a perpendicular angle until it broke on him. So it may be torsion strength or just shear strength rather than tensile strength.

Based off this we should probably use this CRT to downgrade Kingpin back to Class 5 since along with what Qawsedf said, him being Class 10 is way too much of a leap from most street tier feats. That DD feat where he breaks off a piece of rebar would definitely be worth calcing in the future though.

 

[Lacku]

bump

 

[NikHelton]

I strongly disagree. In the new seasons, the dynamic between Fisk and Matt has changed dramatically.
While in the Netflix series, Kingpin had a slight advantage, but Daredevil could fight him even without a weapon, and Wilson himself wasn't shy about using a weapon against Murdek, the situation is different in the Disney series. Look at the scene of their fight after Vanessa's death. Matt is forced to use his weapon to have a chance of winning, because his hand-to-hand combat against Kingpin is as effective as punching a wall. As soon as Kingpin grabbed him, he threw him around the room like a doll and smashed walls with him.
Even in Season 3, he broke Poindexter, who is comparable to Murdek, as soon as he got his hands on him.

Matt is physically weaker than Kingpin, and Echo doesn't quite measure up to Matt.

 

[Lacku]

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