We have confirmation that Terrible Mouse is viewed as too far
I don't even buy that confirmation.
Neither Ant nor Sannse have watched it in full. It's ban via telephone. Properly looking into it, they could very easily find that it doesn't qualify.
Well we really only had problems with the word gore I think, since we didn't want to give the impression that something like SAW wasn't allowed. I think we should keep the wording less specific, since we later clarify with examples.
Keeping in line with looking at the intention/focus, maybe changing the first line to something like:
Level 4: Extreme - Verses that place a central focus on either high sexual content or shock content.
I think that wording works because if you look it up, Wikipedia defines shock sites (and the content therein) as "a website that is intended to be offensive or disturbing to its viewers... or which contain hate speech and dehumanization..."
This is the exact term Sannse used, and would also cover verses which we don't allow for things like excessive use of slurs and hate speech.
If you want to really hammer in the intention part, and avoid the argument that some media needs to be disturbing for its message, then maybe you could add the word sadistic, like:
Level 4: Extreme - Verses that place a central focus on either high sexual content or sadistic shock content.
I still really dislike this wording because it is something that has SIGNIFICANT variance in opinion without people.
See here, we have people saying that Yandere Simulator is obviously shock content, while myself and others contend that it obviously is just a stealth assassination/dating sim game based on a trope in Japanese culture that almost always occurs in high schools; making the murder/dismemberment of 17-year-olds the result of cultural happenstance, rather than being chosen for shock value.
The dichotomy between people saying "This is just meant to shock people" and "This is actually meant to be art" is strong, and exists with many other pieces of media. Contrapoints'
recent video on Saw talks about this a fair bit.
Hey, that could actually be a good example to ask about.
Here's a first draft:
There's currently a lot of confusion on exactly what would qualify as shock content.
The following is a list of verses under question, along with a short explanation:
- Yandere Simulator: While the gore isn't 'detailed' per-se, the majority of the game centers around torturing and killing high school students for the sake of eliminating competition for a romantic obsession. The game features things like drowning your classmates in toilets, torturing your classmates in an iron maiden, bullying your classmates until they commit suicide, and taking upskirt creep-shots of your classmates to use as blackmail.
- Hatred: The majority of the game centers around slaughtering crowds of innocent civilians as a lone gunman on a mass-murder campaign.
- South Park: The series features various scenes depicting the brutal deaths of children, often played off as a joke.
- Terrifier: The movie is about a crazy clown that stalks and kills three women, infamous for being excessive with its torture scenes which go on for a long time and in extreme detail.
All of these properties currently have a wiki on Fandom. We were wondering where these things would fall within this policy, and if there's any nuance we're currently missing. We've created a draft text for a rule, and would like to know if it seems to align with Fandom's guidelines on the topic:
[Insert Draft]
Sannse did also mention "violence against children being sexual" as a disqualifier, and South Park the Stick of Truth infamously has a scene where your character is kidnapped, restrained, and you have to pass a QTE properly clinching your sphincter to stop an anal probe clearly shaped like a *****.
I also talked to Bambu off-site about
Gone, a
YA novel series that includes the kinds of gory things done in Yandere Simulator, in more gruesome detail, by and to younger characters. But he seemed to think it was fine because it was done in the context of what's essentially a war.
It covers a world where certain people in a town gained superpowers, and one of those, an autistic infant, used their powers to expel everyone above the age of 14, cutting off all interaction with the outside world. Immediately many died or were injured in car crashes, due to not being connected to the outside world many ran low on food. And an awful group of bullies from one of the town's schools used the opportunity to climb the ladder of power and torture others.
One character ended up carwrecked in the desert, and had to desperately try to find help while she was injured, and hunted by rabid, mutated animals. A character with super speed was dismembered by running through a hallway that was trapped with piano wire strung across it. A character was magically inflicted with unbearable pain until they killed themselves. Since most powers come from people's hands, the bullies, in their territory of control, force many to walk around with their hands set in concrete, slowly rotting away.
Terrible Mouse has little of note beyond the gore against children that isn't also bad.
Welp, I guess I need to watch it so I can properly engage with comments like this.
