Different levels of planet destruction?

[User_A_98732165489]

There are multiple types of destruction of planets in sci-fi, which may result in different AP levels. Such as:

• Biosphere destruction (planet is technically there, but all multi-cellular life is dead; Earth-like planet is reduced to Mars-like planet)
• Fragmentation (reduced to asteroids)
• V. Fragmentation (reduced to smaller asteroids)
• Pulverization (no debris left)
• Melting
• Vaporization (planet goes poof)
• Atomization
• Subatomic Destruction
• Subparticular Destruction (even protons, electrons and other particles are ripped into pieces)

What would be values for those Feats, assuming planet like Earth?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

There's also overriding the Gravitational Binding Energy, that's the real minimal requirement to be baseline Planet level.

 

[Huesito88]

• Fragmentation (reduced to asteroids)
• V. Fragmentation (reduced to smaller asteroids)
• Pulverization (no debris left)
• Melting
• Vaporization (planet goes poof)
• Atomization
• Subatomic Destruction

What would be values for those Feats, assuming planet like Earth?

Use the rock destruction values in the calculation link here

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Here is an example for the calculation of Subatomic-Destruction. Which also list the cubic cm volume. Just multiple that by the listed rock values that correspond to the level of destruction

Destroying Stuff in the Solar System

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• Subparticular Destruction (even protons, electrons and other particles are ripped into pieces)"

There is no official value for this though, I have heard like random talk of 100-1000 times over the Sub-Atomic destruction value, but absolutely nothing official. So if you really manage to find this feat and this is real your character's absolute best feat then you'll just have to do a ton of talking with Calc group members on that. (Usually anyone that does this feat already is like galaxy level, so no one bothers to find out)

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I'm pretty sure overcoming GBE is also just higher than like pulverizing, vaporizing, or atomizing a planet

 

[Huesito88]

I'm pretty sure overcoming GBE is also just higher than like pulverizing, vaporizing, or atomizing a planet

You are correct

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm pretty sure overcoming GBE is also just higher than like pulverizing, vaporizing, or atomizing a planet

Yeah it is, though I forgot to mention that technically fragmenting + GBE is the requirement for destroying solid planets.

 

[User_A_98732165489]

There's also "planet is blown into pieces, but they immediately form back into planet". So planet is still in place, GBE is not overcome, but now it's just pile of lava.

Also: Is it possible to ruin the planet without being Planet-Level. What is the minimum tier to end the world or ruin the planet (if overcoming GBE is not necessary, just ending all life), no hax, via sheer power?

And: how large or heavy object must be at very least in order in order to start factoring GBE into calc?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, vaporizing the Earth without overriding the GBE could basically turn it into a Gas Giant, but it would still be a planet. There are also situations where characters managed to destroy most of a planet, but some of the fragments still remained in the gravitational field and basically formed a miniature version of the same planet. But yeah, it's for a lot of those reasons GBE is the minimum to reach truly Planet level and what not.

 

[User_A_98732165489]

I could form the question as "What is the minimum AP required to End The World, killing every human on Earth-like planet, no overriding the GBE required and via sheer power of the physical attack/blast?". AP requirement of "budget Exterminatus" of sorts. E.G. is power equivalent to entire mankind's nuclear arsenal (6-C) enough for that or not?

 

[Huesito88]

I could form the question as "What is the minimum AP required to End The World, killing every human on Earth-like planet, no overriding the GBE required and via sheer power of the physical attack/blast?". AP requirement of "budget Exterminatus" of sorts.

Like a surface wiping blast?

 

[User_A_98732165489]

I could form the question as "What is the minimum AP required to End The World, killing every human on Earth-like planet, no overriding the GBE required and via sheer power of the physical attack/blast?". AP requirement of "budget Exterminatus" of sorts.

Like a surface wiping blast?

A blast enough to kill everyone on planet instantly - or at least, revert civilization to stone age. As it's a single blast, the blast wave must go all the way to the other side of the planet.

 

[Zeldris98764]

is power equivalent to entire mankind's nuclear arsenal (6-C) enough for that or not?

Definitely not. 6-C caps at 100 Gigatons. That isn't anywhere near enough energy to physically wipe the surface of a planet in a single blast. Dropping mankind's entire nuclear arsenal would just cause an extinction over time via a nuclear winter, which strictly falls under Environmental Destruction, not a character's raw Attack Potency.

A blast enough to kill everyone on planet instantly - or at least, revert civilization to stone age. As it's a single blast, the blast wave must go all the way to the other side of the planet.

If you want a literal physical shockwave that carries enough overpressure to cause "near-total fatalities" all the way to the opposite side of the Earth, we can just use the explosion formula provided: Y = ((x/0.28)^3)/1000 (with Y being Megatons and x being the radius in km).

The distance to the exact opposite side of the Earth (half the circumference) is roughly 20,000 km.
Plug that in: ((20000/0.28)^3)/1000 = ~364,431,486,880 Megatons, or roughly 364 Exatons.

364 Exatons puts an instant, planet-wrapping lethal shockwave solidly at 5-C. If they're just scorching or physically destroying the crust/continents without the blast waving perfectly around the globe, it usually defaults to High 6-A

 

[KLOL506]

• Biosphere destruction (planet is technically there, but all multi-cellular life is dead; Earth-like planet is reduced to Mars-like planet)

Usually hax

• Fragmentation (reduced to asteroids)
• V. Fragmentation (reduced to smaller asteroids)
• Pulverization (no debris left)
• Melting
• Vaporization (planet goes poof)

None of these work because of the need to overpower the GBE. You need to blast the debris at such a speed that they can never reform back into a sphere under their own gravitational power again.

Plus, the Earth isn't 100% solid. It has multiple liquid layers inside of it, like the mantle and outer core, can't frag or pulv. a liquid. And many of these layers are already hot enough to vaporize all our elements, it's just the pressure keeping them in that form without turning to gas, like the molten solid inner core that exceeds 5000 degrees C.

For the latter two you'd need to add the GBE of the Earth on top (We have calcs for melting and vaping the Earth), but the first three just can't happen on their own, that's what the GBE is for.

• Atomization
• Subatomic Destruction

I believe we have calcs for these.

• Subparticular Destruction (even protons, electrons and other particles are ripped into pieces)

No such method exists.

 

[KLOL506]

Definitely not. 6-C caps at 100 Gigatons. That isn't anywhere near enough energy to physically wipe the surface of a planet in a single blast. Dropping mankind's entire nuclear arsenal would just cause an extinction over time via a nuclear winter, which strictly falls under Environmental Destruction, not a character's raw Attack Potency.

If you want a literal physical shockwave that carries enough overpressure to cause "near-total fatalities" all the way to the opposite side of the Earth, we can just use the explosion formula provided: Y = ((x/0.28)^3)/1000 (with Y being Megatons and x being the radius in km).

The distance to the exact opposite side of the Earth (half the circumference) is roughly 20,000 km.
Plug that in: ((20000/0.28)^3)/1000 = ~364,431,486,880 Megatons, or roughly 364 Exatons.

364 Exatons puts an instant, planet-wrapping lethal shockwave solidly at 5-C. If they're just scorching or physically destroying the crust/continents without the blast waving perfectly around the globe, it usually defaults to High 6-A

We already have a surface-wiping explosion calc that ranges from anywhere between 183 petatons to 646 petatons.