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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

I’m gonna kill somebody
ok, but in all seriousness, what makes Dummy's missiles too unrealistic for us to consider comparable to real missiles? The only things I can think of are their size and the fact that they're magic, but both of those seem like pretty weak nitpicky arguments to me tbh
 
I think there might be better examples cause I went and did a calc on a different gaster blaster, and got a better result somewhat.

Assuming the action buttons are indeed 100cm/1 meter and measuring the diagonal gaster blaster from the start instead, the range is about 5.1m and it's speed is 153 m/s (Subsonic)
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This is my first calc on this forum like, ever. So let me know if there's anything wrong with it LOL.
Ok so I just realized that the 1 meter ACT button thread actually went through and the name of it was just a misnomer lol. Can I add this to the blog w/ credit?
 
ok, but in all seriousness, what makes Dummy's missiles too unrealistic for us to consider comparable to real missiles? The only things I can think of are their size and the fact that they're magic, but both of those seem like pretty weak nitpicky arguments to me tbh
I mean her missiles are a far bit smaller than even the smallest irl missile and produce even smaller explosions.
The other magic attacks being unrealistic also does set a precedent on Monster Attacks just doing whatever even if they look identical to the actual thing.

Plus, Papyrus being surprised by Undyne making it to his house in like 8 seconds sets a speed cap on the verse
 
Not really since that's travel speed
The sneaky Frisk's travel speed being comparable to Undyne's attack speed on-screen more than once (and the entire soul dodging attacks is technically travel speed but from the soul considering you move at the same speeds when just moving around the box and when dodging attacks but that's a discussion for another day ❤️‍🩹)
 
The sneaky Frisk's travel speed being comparable to Undyne's attack speed on-screen more than once (and the entire soul dodging attacks is technically travel speed but from the soul considering you move at the same speeds when just moving around the box and when dodging attacks but that's a discussion for another day ❤️‍🩹)
Sure, same thing is just 4D cube
 
I think there might be better examples cause I went and did a calc on a different gaster blaster, and got a better result somewhat.

Assuming the action buttons are indeed 100cm/1 meter and measuring the diagonal gaster blaster from the start instead, the range is about 5.1m and it's speed is 153 m/s (Subsonic)
oKy3ZoM.png

This is my first calc on this forum like, ever. So let me know if there's anything wrong with it LOL.

seems unnecessary
 
I mean her missiles are a far bit smaller than even the smallest irl missile and produce even smaller explosions.
The other magic attacks being unrealistic also does set a precedent on Monster Attacks just doing whatever even if they look identical to the actual thing.

Plus, Papyrus being surprised by Undyne making it to his house in like 8 seconds sets a speed cap on the verse
Tbh, Undyne and Papyrus shouldn't scale to Frisk's speed.
 


Behold our first step to universal system.
 
I mean her missiles are a far bit smaller than even the smallest irl missile and produce even smaller explosions.
The other magic attacks being unrealistic also does set a precedent on Monster Attacks just doing whatever even if they look identical to the actual thing.
idk, comparing them to the size of the smallest missile, I'd say they have enough volume to realistically function irl in the way you'd expect them to, so I'm not against using the missile calc as a possible rating

idk maybe I'm just stupid, and UT characters get blitzed by your average Olympic athlete, who knows anymore
 
I mean her missiles are a far bit smaller than even the smallest irl missile and produce even smaller explosions.
The other magic attacks being unrealistic also does set a precedent on Monster Attacks just doing whatever even if they look identical to the actual thing.

Plus, Papyrus being surprised by Undyne making it to his house in like 8 seconds sets a speed cap on the verse
Are the missiles small compared to her or the soul? (Also, should smaller missiles move faster or slower?)
 
Tbh, Undyne and Papyrus shouldn't scale to Frisk's speed.
Seriously though, why does everyone and their grandma scale to Frisk's speed? Frisk can causally run right past Undyne several times without her being able to do anything to stop them. And Monster Kid constantly trips over themself while running at around human level speeds (like roughly 7 m/s I think). I'm not gonna make a downgrade thread over this, as there are moments where it can be argued that regular monsters scale to Frisk's speed, but it really feels like that it should only be a possibly rating.
 
Seriously though, why does everyone and their grandma scale to Frisk's speed? Frisk can causally run right past Undyne several times without her being able to do anything to stop them. And Monster Kid constantly trips over themself while running at around human level speeds (like roughly 7 m/s I think). I'm not gonna make a downgrade thread over this, as there are moments where it can be argued that regular monsters scale to Frisk's speed, but it really feels like that it should only be a possibly rating.
Since there only two monsters who can dodge:

Asgore and sans

Yeah i agree with you
 
Undyne moves faster than Frisk in the chase; she always catches up to you.
I mostly believe this, but I do have some issues with it.

1. It's only really travel speed since it's just her running in a straight line. (She doesn't actually have to physically hit you to activate green soul mode, she just has to get in range.)

2. It only really seems to be in short bursts

3. She gets extremely tired from having to chase Frisk after a bit (But this is mostly because of the heat and her chasing you constantly throughout Waterfall)

4. Frisk might not actually be moving at full speed for whatever reason (In the True Lab, during the shower curtain scene,
Frisk can run back much faster than they normally move). (Probably just falls under cinematic time)
 
4. Frisk might not actually be moving at full speed for whatever reason (In the True Lab, during the shower curtain scene,
Frisk can run back much faster than they normally move). (Probably just falls under cinematic time)
Soo what you saying frisk probally not even trying...yeah that make sense
 
4. Frisk might not actually be moving at full speed for whatever reason (In the True Lab, during the shower curtain scene,
Frisk can run back much faster than they normally move). (Probably just falls under cinematic time)
Also, in the ruins, Frisk can climb back up a hole after falling down much faster than their normal running/walking speed. (Again, these last two examples are likely just cinematic time)
 

Theory from reddit, nothing to worry about.
 
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