MCU Phase 6 General Discussion Thread

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Tbf it IS a speedster character who blitzes basically everyone in their show as well so its more of the same situations

I feel like the calcs would be deemed invalid if we used the same logic that was used to dismiss Quicksilver's MHS+ feat:

Quicksilver punches Cap - Mach 1311.8695 (Massively Hypersonic+)

• This calc contradicts where WoG places Quicksilver narratively and visually with several statement placing him in the subsonic+ to supersonic speed ranges:
  • Joss Whedon: Quicksilver is very fast, as fast or almost as fast as a bullet.
  • Aaron Taylor-Johnson: He's um, because not only do I see his sort of superpower being like as fast as the speed of sound.
  • Aaron Taylor-Johnson: My character is super-powered, and he runs at half the speed of sound. So, my character is pretty much a blur throughout the whole movie.
  • Hydra Scientist: We have clocked him at 400 meters per second.

If we consider that as sufficient evidence against the calculation not to use it, the following calculations should also be considered unusable:

• Yo-Yo blitzes Vrellnexians - Mach 54.27 to 202.33236 (High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic)
• Yo-Yo steals a cop's gun - Mach 62.56 to 125.12 (High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic)

Counterevidence:

• These calculations contradict how fast Jemma Simmons measures Yo-Yo to be, which is about 180 m/s:
  • Simmons: Approximately 6 meters in a thirtieth of a second that one frame of video is exposed. So, very.
• Although Yo-Yo was able to deflect a clip of bullets from an AR-15, she still missed one. AR-15 bullets travel at about 3,250 fps at most, or about Mach 2.888; it makes no sense for her to be threatened by them at all if she was moving at Mach 50+.
• The first calc attempts to justify itself by scaling to Quake's shockwave attacks, which Yo-Yo can react to, but the problem is that Quake's shockwaves only legitimately reach High Hypersonic speed when she uses external enhancements, which was never the case when Yo-Yo was in the same room as her. The one time we see her fire such a shockwave against Graviton, she'd previously injected herself with Centipede Serum, briefly enhancing her powers enough to overpower him when she could barely faze him before; you can see this in the scene itself, where her last attack emits an orange aura characteristic of Centipede Serum users. Yo-Yo wasn't in that fight at all, and throughout the rest of the series, characters as low as Subsonic react to and dodge Quake's blasts all the time.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

These calculations contradict how fast Jemma Simmons measures Yo-Yo to be, which is about 180 m/s:

• Simmons: Approximately 6 meters in a thirtieth of a second that one frame of video is exposed. So, very.

It was the first episode she appeared she wasn't even trained yet, and that statement doesn't put any limit on her.

• Although Yo-Yo was able to deflect a clip of bullets from an AR-15, she still missed one. AR-15 bullets travel at about 3,250 fps at most, or about Mach 2.888; it makes no sense for her to be threatened by them at all if she was moving at Mach 50+.

I don't remember the scene but it could easily be about her "stamina" since at this point she was limited in how long she could keep her super speed on.

• The first calc attempts to justify itself by scaling to Quake's shockwave attacks, which Yo-Yo can react to, but the problem is that Quake's shockwaves only legitimately reach High Hypersonic speed when she uses external enhancements, which was never the case when Yo-Yo was in the same room as her. The one time we see her fire such a shockwave against Graviton, she'd previously injected herself with Centipede Serum, briefly enhancing her powers enough to overpower him when she could barely faze him before; you can see this in the scene itself, where her last attack emits an orange aura characteristic of Centipede Serum users. Yo-Yo wasn't in that fight at all, and throughout the rest of the series, characters as low as Subsonic react to and dodge Quake's blasts all the time.

Ok this one makes sense.

 

[Dalesean027]

I feel like the calcs would be deemed invalid if we used the same logic that was used to dismiss Quicksilver's MHS+ feat:

If we consider that as sufficient evidence against the calculation not to use it, the following calculations should also be considered unusable:

• Yo-Yo blitzes Vrellnexians - Mach 54.27 to 202.33236 (High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic)
• Yo-Yo steals a cop's gun - Mach 62.56 to 125.12 (High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic)

Counterevidence:

• These calculations contradict how fast Jemma Simmons measures Yo-Yo to be, which is about 180 m/s:
  • Simmons: Approximately 6 meters in a thirtieth of a second that one frame of video is exposed. So, very.
• Although Yo-Yo was able to deflect a clip of bullets from an AR-15, she still missed one. AR-15 bullets travel at about 3,250 fps at most, or about Mach 2.888; it makes no sense for her to be threatened by them at all if she was moving at Mach 50+.
• The first calc attempts to justify itself by scaling to Quake's shockwave attacks, which Yo-Yo can react to, but the problem is that Quake's shockwaves only legitimately reach High Hypersonic speed when she uses external enhancements, which was never the case when Yo-Yo was in the same room as her. The one time we see her fire such a shockwave against Graviton, she'd previously injected herself with Centipede Serum, briefly enhancing her powers enough to overpower him when she could barely faze him before; you can see this in the scene itself, where her last attack emits an orange aura characteristic of Centipede Serum users. Yo-Yo wasn't in that fight at all, and throughout the rest of the series, characters as low as Subsonic react to and dodge Quake's blasts all the time.

I'll be honest I am not well versed on agents of shield but if there is this level of consistency below then there could be some precedence here for a downgrade if its that inconsistent to the current rating

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

It was the first episode she appeared she wasn't even trained yet, and that statement doesn't put any limit on her.

Nothing in the show indicates that big a speed gap between pre-training and post-training Yo-Yo; she always appears as a blur without distinctive features. As late as S4E8, when she was already trained, she was still only partially able to avoid a cesium bomb, which also doesn't explode nearly that fast, both in the show and in real life.

I don't remember the scene but it could easily be about her "stamina" since at this point she was limited in how long she could keep her super speed on.

When her super-speed ends, she used to snap back to her original location. If this were truly only a stamina issue, the bullet would still have missed her, as she would've been pulled out of the way if she'd used up her time before managing to catch it.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Nothing in the show indicates that big a speed gap between pre-training and post-training Yo-Yo; she always appears as a blur without distinctive features.

Not a good point, she could be a blur even if she was going FTL or whatever speed.

As late as S4E8, when she was already trained, she was still only partially able to avoid a cesium bomb, which also doesn't explode nearly that fast, both in the show and in real life.

She was outrunning the explosion which was not a single normal explosion since it was exploding activating even more explosions requiring stamina to keep outrunning them

When her super-speed ends, she used to snap back to her original location. If this were truly only a stamina issue, the bullet would still have missed her, as she would've been pulled out of the way if she'd used up her time before managing to catch it.

The snap back it's not teleportation it's her uncouncious "desire" BS that made her always run back to where she started, it's why later she loses that limitation.

 

[Dalesean027]

She was outrunning the explosion which was not a single normal explosion since it was exploding activating even more explosions requiring stamina to keep outrunning them

Imma be real the max possible distance she ran was like 50m tops and likely not even that much so unless you're arguing a trained soldier isn't even like average human levels of stamina then this point is just goofy. Do you even actually have proof for this stamina argument or is it just a convenient headcanon.

Not a good point, she could be a blur even if she was going FTL or whatever speed

Imma be real you made the point of saying the speed gap exist after training so burden of proof would be on you


@IdiosyncraticLawyer I think its valid enough to warrant a thread

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Imma be real the max possible distance she ran was like 50m tops and likely not even that much so unless you're arguing a trained soldier isn't even like average human levels of stamina then this point is just goofy. Do you even actually have proof for this stamina argument or is it just a convenient headcanon.

The explaination of her power is that she moves as far as she can "in one heartbeat" it's not headcannon.

Imma be real you made the point of saying the speed gap exist after training so burden of proof would be on you

No, I said there is no reason to limit her to a statement of the first episode she was in, a statement that was never stated or implied to be a limit to her speed and was simply a statement based on the observation of that specific time.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

The explaination of her power is that she moves as far as she can "in one heartbeat" it's not headcannon.

This in no way supports what you're saying. When that heartbeat ends, she snaps back; in this case, it would have actually made it easier for her to outrun the explosion if she ran out of heartbeat time before she could escape it.

No, I said there is no reason to limit her to a statement of the first episode she was in, a statement that was never stated or implied to be a limit to her speed and was simply a statement based on the observation of that specific time.

Quicksilver's current speed was never stated to be a limit, and we even have statements that it wouldn't limit his growth, yet it was still considered a valid argument against using the methods in his now-removed calcs.

@IdiosyncraticLawyer I think its valid enough to warrant a thread

Can you get some others to help me compile it?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

This in no way supports what you're saying. When that heartbeat ends, she snaps back; in this case, it would have actually made it easier for her to outrun the explosion if she ran out of heartbeat time before she could escape it.

Again "Snap back" is not teleportation, she runs back to the place she started because of some unconscious thing, so no it wouldn't be easier.

Quicksilver's current speed was never stated to be a limit, and we even have statements that it wouldn't limit his growth, yet it was still considered a valid argument against using the methods in his now-removed calcs.

The statements imply a limit by saying things like "I see his sort of superpower being like as fast as the speed of sound" or "almost as fast as a bullet". They were arguments but it was heavily supported by other anti feats for him and other characters.
It doesn't help that he lasted only a single movie with very little time grow faster, YoYo lasted until the last season.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Again "Snap back" is not teleportation, she runs back to the place she started because of some unconscious thing, so no it wouldn't be easier.

Yo-Yo's snap-back speed is accepted to be faster than her base running speed, and she also doesn't have to consciously coordinate it.

The statements imply a limit by saying things like "I see his sort of superpower being like as fast as the speed of sound" or "almost as fast as a bullet". They were arguments but it was heavily supported by other anti feats for him and other characters.
It doesn't help that he lasted only a single movie with very little time grow faster, YoYo lasted until the last season.

I have substantiated Yo-Yo's case with relevant counterexamples.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Yo-Yo's snap-back speed is accepted to be faster than her base running speed, and she also doesn't have to consciously coordinate it.

That's not on her profile and in that scene of the Cesium explosion she was running back to the place she started.

I have substantiated Yo-Yo's case with relevant counterexamples.

And there are multiple calcs that are much faster than sound to counter those possible arguments, and worse your argument for failing to catch one bullet despite being able to catch multiple of them in the very same scene doesn't make sense as an argument of her being slower than a bullet, Simmons statement puts her at around half the speed of sound which would not be enough to catch those bullets to begin with, so your own "counter examples" contradict themselves.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

That's not on her profile and in that scene of the Cesium explosion she was running back to the place she started.

It's in the currently used calcs.

And there are multiple calcs that are much faster than sound to counter those possible arguments, and worse your argument for failing to catch one bullet despite being able to catch multiple of them in the very same scene doesn't make sense as an argument of her being slower than a bullet, Simmons statement puts her at around half the speed of sound which would not be enough to catch those bullets to begin with, so your own "counter examples" contradict themselves.

The speed required to combat bullets and Simmons's statement are within the same reasonable ballpark of a degree less than to a few times more than sound; I'm not claiming the latter as a cap, just a decent indicator of a speed near where she operates. If Quicksilver's calc is no longer used despite not having any technical issues, as far as I know, these should have the same scrutiny applied to them.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

It's in the currently used calcs.

A single calc that is just about 2 times the other 2 calcs which are around Mach 50 and 60 which are battle applicable "it's in the same ballpark" so there is no problem as you said.

The speed required to combat bullets and Simmons's statement are within the same reasonable ballpark of a degree less than to a few times more than sound; I'm not claiming the latter as a cap, just a decent indicator of a speed near where she operates. If Quicksilver's calc is no longer used despite not having any technical issues, as far as I know, these should have the same scrutiny applied to them.

The speed of the bullets is 4 times that of Simmons statement and YOYO caught multiple of them, she is not even show on the scene not even as a blur depending on the case the calc could have been 10 times faster than the bullets considering they were caught off guard and she was behind Mack and somehow went to deflect the bullets without moving Mack who was standing right in the middle of the door having no space to go through him.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

A single calc that is just about 2 times the other 2 calcs which are around Mach 50 and 60 which are battle applicable "it's in the same ballpark" so there is no problem as you said.

The bouncing back is accepted as relatively faster. The specifics of the assigned speeds are what's in dispute.

The speed of the bullets is 4 times that of Simmons statement and YOYO caught multiple of them, she is not even show on the scene not even as a blur depending on the case the calc could have been 10 times faster than the bullets considering they were caught off guard and she was behind Mack and somehow went to deflect the bullets without moving Mack who was standing right in the middle of the door having no space to go through him.

@Dalesean027 What do you make of this?

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

The bouncing back is accepted as relatively faster. The specifics of the assigned speeds are what's in dispute.

Then it should just be "Higher by bouncing back" which is not what is on her profile. Also I don't even think the "Bouncing back" should be faster, the only reason it seems that way it's because her "bouncing back" is usually not covered by slow motion so she just seems to be bouncing back instantly,

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Then it should just be "Higher by bouncing back" which is not what is on her profile. Also I don't even think the "Bouncing back" should be faster, the only reason it seems that way it's because her "bouncing back" is usually not covered by slow motion so she just seems to be bouncing back instantly,

Perhaps; it's not essential to my point, anyway.

 

[Dalesean027]

Can you get some others to help me compile it?

Do you just need help getting clips?

The speed of the bullets is 4 times that of Simmons statement and YOYO caught multiple of them, she is not even show on the scene not even as a blur depending on the case the calc could have been 10 times faster than the bullets considering they were caught off guard and she was behind Mack and somehow went to deflect the bullets without moving Mack who was standing right in the middle of the door having no space to go through him.

Give the statement here

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Do you just need help getting clips?

Give the statement here

What statement? Simmons?

• These calculations contradict how fast Jemma Simmons measures Yo-Yo to be, which is about 180 m/s:
  • Simmons: Approximately 6 meters in a thirtieth of a second that one frame of video is exposed. So, very.

Link to the specific statement here cuz I don't think it's fair to make you search for it in a page for the entire script of the episode

• Although Yo-Yo was able to deflect a clip of bullets from an AR-15, she still missed one. AR-15 bullets travel at about 3,250 fps at most, or about

The feat we are talking about.

 

[ByArrow]

I feel like the calcs would be deemed invalid if we used the same logic that was used to dismiss Quicksilver's MHS+ feat:

If we consider that as sufficient evidence against the calculation not to use it, the following calculations should also be considered unusable:

• Yo-Yo blitzes Vrellnexians - Mach 54.27 to 202.33236 (High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic)
• Yo-Yo steals a cop's gun - Mach 62.56 to 125.12 (High Hypersonic+ to Massively Hypersonic)

Counterevidence:

• These calculations contradict how fast Jemma Simmons measures Yo-Yo to be, which is about 180 m/s:
  • Simmons: Approximately 6 meters in a thirtieth of a second that one frame of video is exposed. So, very.

That statement doesn't put any limit on her. For us to be able to speak of a contradiction, this would have to be a statement that put a limit on her speed.

• Although Yo-Yo was able to deflect a clip of bullets from an AR-15, she still missed one. AR-15 bullets travel at about 3,250 fps at most, or about Mach 2.888; it makes no sense for her to be threatened by them at all if she was moving at Mach 50+.

As Suigetsuhyugs said, if this feat were to be calculated, Rodriguez’s speed would be much higher than bullet's speed.

• The first calc attempts to justify itself by scaling to Quake's shockwave attacks, which Yo-Yo can react to, but the problem is that Quake's shockwaves only legitimately reach High Hypersonic speed when she uses external enhancements, which was never the case when Yo-Yo was in the same room as her. The one time we see her fire such a shockwave against Graviton, she'd previously injected herself with Centipede Serum, briefly enhancing her powers enough to overpower him when she could barely faze him before; you can see this in the scene itself, where her last attack emits an orange aura characteristic of Centipede Serum users. Yo-Yo wasn't in that fight at all, and throughout the rest of the series, characters as low as Subsonic react to and dodge Quake's blasts all the time.

The calculation does not use Daise’s shock waves to justify itself. It uses Daise’s shock waves to demonstrate that the calculated result is consistent with the verse.

Quicksilver had only one calculated feat at this level. All other statements and showings placed him at a speed below this level. And although the subsonic characters were moving slowly in Quicksilver’s perception, they were still moving. And there was also a statement from Joss Whedon setting a limit on QuickSilver. For these reason, Quicksilver’s feat was deemed outliner.

In Rodriguez’s case, there are more than one—exactly two—calculated Massively Hypersonic feats; Quicksilver had one, and I’m sure if I watch the series again I could find another one or two. Subsonic characters appear completely frozen in her perception, whereas in Quicksilver’s perception they were still in motion; whilst Rodriguez could move whilst seeing the bullets in slow motion, yet QuickSilver, despite seeing a bullet in slow motion, was unable to react or move.

What I mean is that Rodriguez’s case is not the same as QuickSilver’s.

 

[Dalesean027]

That statement doesn't put any limit on her. For us to be able to speak of a contradiction, this would have to be a statement that put a limit on her speed.

it says approximately so yeah that is a limiting statement.

As Suigetsuhyugs said, if this feat were to be calculated, Rodriguez’s speed would be much higher than bullet's speed.

Although Yo-Yo was able to deflect a clip of bullets from an AR-15, she still missed one. AR-15 bullets travel at about 3,250 fps at most, or about Mach 2.888; it makes no sense for her to be threatened by them at all if she was moving at Mach 50+.

This definitely would not be higher than the bullet speed? The shooter is like 10~15m away from the dude and if she's just staying in front of him deflecting the bullets then her arm usage would simply fall in subsonic ranges assuming she just did regular swaps at the bullets in the time it took them to reach his position

The calculation does not use Daise’s shock waves to justify itself. It uses Daise’s shock waves to demonstrate that the calculated result is consistent with the verse.

Quicksilver had only one calculated feat at this level. All other statements and showings placed him at a speed below this level. And although the subsonic characters were moving slowly in Quicksilver’s perception, they were still moving. And there was also a statement from Joss Whedon setting a limit on QuickSilver. For these reason, Quicksilver’s feat was deemed outliner.

In Rodriguez’s case, there are more than one—exactly two—calculated Massively Hypersonic feats; Quicksilver had one, and I’m sure if I watch the series again I could find another one or two. Subsonic characters appear completely frozen in her perception, whereas in Quicksilver’s perception they were still in motion; whilst Rodriguez could move whilst seeing the bullets in slow motion, yet QuickSilver, despite seeing a bullet in slow motion, was unable to react or move.

the quicksilver stuff also recognized narrative intent from statements, feats/anti-feats, and visual on screen stuff. So right now the statement being an approximation and her missing deflecting a bullet from like 10m away is a valid anti-feat too and makes it more likely the frozen time visuals in these scenes are just to once again show that narratively she is far faster than say she is like MHS but that said I'd still need to check these calcs for errors anyways so its best to consider them unevaluated as of right now

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

it says approximately so yeah that is a limiting statement.

No, "approximately" implies inaccuracy likely because the camera used is not made to record speedsters, in no definition of the word could that be a "limiting statement"

This definitely would not be higher than the bullet speed? The shooter is like 10~15m away from the dude and if she's just staying in front of him deflecting the bullets then her arm usage would simply fall in subsonic ranges assuming she just did regular swaps at the bullets in the time it took them to reach his position

She is not deflecting the bullets most likely changing their trajectory which is why the bullets do to the windows on his side rather than simply going to random places. and to again, to be in front of him, she would have to somehow pass through Mack without moving him when he is very clearly big enough to cover the whole door.

 

[Dalesean027]

She is not deflecting the bullets most likely changing their trajectory which is why the bullets do to the windows on his side rather than simply going to random places. and to again, to be in front of him, she would have to somehow pass through Mack without moving him when he is very clearly big enough to cover the whole door.

What ability does she have that would cause her to be able to remotely deflect the bullets then? Because no matter what she would have to be deflecting from in front of him somehow

 

[ByArrow]

it says approximately so yeah that is a limiting statement.

Her use of the word ‘approximately’ does not make the statement limiting. When Simon made this statement, she only had the data obtained from the security camera footage. She had no other information regarding Rodriguez’s speed: her statement relates solely to the speed at which Rodriguez was captured on the security camera, not to Rodriguez’s speed in general. Unless there is a statement claiming that Rodriguez was running at a constant speed, this is not a limiting statement.

For example, speed detection devices on roads measure the speed of passing cars; these measured speeds are not the cars’ maximum or upper limit, but the speed they were travelling at that moment – the same applies here.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

What ability does she have that would cause her to be able to remotely deflect the bullets then? Because no matter what she would have to be deflecting from in front of him somehow

None, she would have been hurt by letting any of the bullets hit her and she doesn't seem to have anything in her hands when she snaps back which is why it's more likely that she changed the trajectory by moving the bullets a few centimeters to the side.

 

[Dalesean027]

None, she would have been hurt by letting any of the bullets hit her and she doesn't seem to have anything in her hands when she snaps back which is why it's more likely that she changed the trajectory by moving the bullets a few centimeters to the side.

Does her snap back pass through matter? Because right now these arguments you're giving make 0 sense and besides who said she needs to grab the bullets in the first place? Ya kinda invented a scenario yourself to argue against it when no one said that to begin with

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

Does her snap back pass through matter? Because right now these arguments you're giving make 0 sense and besides who said she needs to grab the bullets in the first place? Ya kinda invented a scenario yourself to argue against it when no one said that to begin with

Her snap back is just her running back to where she started no weird Hax involved. I'm using logic to came up with a possible method, she had nothing in her hands so she couldn't have used an object, she was shot and hurt by a bullet even in super speed therefore she can be hurt by bullets if she used some weird sway, the bullets also hit the object with the right position to break the glass instead of weird positions caused by randomly affecting the bullet, seems more logically that she slightly changed the bullet trajectory by moving it.

 

[Dalesean027]

Her snap back is just her running back to where she started no weird Hax involved

So then again your point is moot then?

she would have to somehow pass through Mack without moving him when he is very clearly big enough to cover the whole door

If you're saying it just causes her to run back with no hax involved then why try and rat and say she couldn't have possibly gotten behind him to try and argue against her being in front of him deflecting the bullets. Unless you're arguing she ran out back and circled the entire facility and then somehow deflected the bullets from behind him then your point is moot

 

[RoTt35]

I did a quick search and found two other feats where she perceives people as frozen in place

 

[ByArrow]

I did a quick search and found two other feats where she perceives people as frozen in place

There are plenty of feats like this. I have listed some of them below.

• Rodriguez sees three person completely frozen.
• Rodriguez sees the fighting agents completely frozen.
• Rodriguez sees a plasma beam in slow motion, also see two person as frozen
  • Additional information about the weapon: it fires 2-terajoule beams, reaching temperatures high enough to melt tonnes of rock and emitting radiation.
• Rodriguez sees Daise completely frozen.
• Rodriguez sees everyone completely frozen again.
• Rodriguez sees bullets in slow motion
  • If I remember correctly, Rodriguez was struggling to use her powers here due to trauma and had become too weak that she can't speedblitz people. So this weakened Rodriguez
• Rodriguez sees people as frozen and punch them.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

So then again your point is moot then?
If you're saying it just causes her to run back with no hax involved then why try and rat and say she couldn't have possibly gotten behind him to try and argue against her being in front of him deflecting the bullets. Unless you're arguing she ran out back and circled the entire facility and then somehow deflected the bullets from behind him then your point is moot

If she went through an alternative path not necessarily circled the entire facility, get in front of the bullets which were at that point very close to Mack and it's why she was hurt makes more sense than assume she magically made her way through Mack without moving him

 

[Dalesean027]

If she went through an alternative path not necessarily circled the entire facility, get in front of the bullets which were at that point very close to Mack and it's why she was hurt makes more sense than assume she magically made her way through Mack without moving him

So basically your entire argument is based on a headcanon? There are no alternate routes present in this scene and right now it looks like you're just surmising something based on now tangible evidence. I'd rather this simply be discarded for being too non-applicable rather than come up with some headcanon argument based on information not present in the scene or the environment.

 

[Suigetsuhyugs]

So basically your entire argument is based on a headcanon? There are no alternate routes present in this scene and right now it looks like you're just surmising something based on now tangible evidence. I'd rather this simply be discarded for being too non-applicable rather than come up with some headcanon argument based on information not present in the scene or the environment.

I think it's a logical assumption, we see Mack a really big dude (which BTW she has a really hard time moving as we saw before) in the middle of the door, we see he was not moved we also don't see any trail of movement by YoYo somehow passing the door, we know she doesn't have phasing capabilities. It seems logical to assume there was an alternative path, they are inside a secret base which YoYo has been shown before to go through every inch of it so she clearly knows it. I'm not simply making things up I'm making a logical assumption based on the evidence shown.

 

[DemonicDude]

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[RoTt35]

Looking at the profile of the Casket of Ancient Winters, I noticed that the High 6-B+ calc is about freezing just the atmosphere, while freezing the entire Earth is Low 5-B and the crust High 6-A, wouldn't the statements of the Casket match more with the latter?

 

[Dinobot1996]

Marvel Studios 100 Objects: Iconic Artifacts from the MCU describes the Casket's ice ages as "apocalyptic":

The Phase One: Thor novel states that Laufey had planned to use the Casket to turn all the realms into frozen ice lands (presumably this would have to somehow include Nidavellir and Muspelheim):

As a note, The Art of Thor tries to hype up the artifacts in Odin's vault, though taking it at face value probably doesn't entirely work anymore, considering what was later established about Ragnarok in the MCU:

 

[RoTt35]

The Phase One: Thor novel states that Laufey had planned to use the Casket to turn all the realms into frozen ice lands (presumably this would have to somehow include Nidavellir and Muspelheim)

Freezing a star ranges from High 6-A to Low 4-C, I don't know if the same could be calculated for a neutron star like Nidavellir

 

[RoTt35]

I made a CRT

 

[KLOL506]

Seems like we might have to retake a look at the Grand Canyon calc for Thor after all.

 

[ArkhamDC06]

Seems like we might have to retake a look at the Grand Canyon calc for Thor after all.

I didn't follow the thread recently, so I'm gonna ask why?

 

[KLOL506]

I didn't follow the thread recently, so I'm gonna ask why?

Something about the area of the Grand Canyon at play.

That being said, it's gonna be greatly affected by the Planet Size Calcs thread.