UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Neither the bottle or photo are directly stemming from you in the same way Shuttah’s magic stems from them. It’s more like throwing a punch but stopping when you blink.

Shutta name give description what the element copy does in universe tho and what said is more metaphor to what Shutta does.

Also fun fact about shutta name

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[Echidnacodefan2512]

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[LittleGuy99]

Time to have The FRIEND ready for Chapter 5

 

[Randomuser3412]

Time to have The FRIEND ready for Chapter 5

I remember Little Mike has a line that goes something like "You see Yellow and Pink and you think 'friend'" if you have the highest score in Pluey

 

[Breadbear83]

Hey everyone, I was looking around the verse, and with how each calc gets to another one for a specific value for characters or objects height, I believe it may be better for guiding on calcs about making a blog with many character height/objects sizes to help for calcs (it simplifies by just linking to one blog for any value in any calc)

Not only for commodity, but also because the 1.37 m tall frisk calc seems to be lost

I could see from this feat linked in the verse page: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Rodriiogo/Undertale_RE-Calcs#Undyne's_Oven_Explodes

By going throught the links to the past calcs, you can end on where the 1.37m tall frisk comes from: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...losion_Edition#Figuring_out_Frisk's_SOUL_size

This blog gives a link to a 1.37m tall frisk calc from amino app: https://aminoapps.com/c/undertale/page/blog/how-tall-is-papyrus/LD2i_8uMJd7J1qn11VEgng5VDW2mJG7

Thing is that links seems down, so we don't even have the actual calc

Besides including frisk height calc in the blog (to help for over world pixel sizes) also the soul size and battle box sizes in the blog, should be easier as those are calculated already

(I think frisk height is gotten by comparing them to Papyrus who's height is comparable to a door)

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Is undertale just a dream world ?

 

[LittleGuy99]

Is undertale just a dream world ?

No?

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

No?

Ya missed the post-credit scene where we see that Frisk was sleeping the whole time?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

And what if it is a dream ?

 

[Randomuser3412]

Definitely not. Chara takes over Frisk's body after they wake up if you do the Genocide Route and then the Pacifist Route.
Anyway, it'd still fall under Reality Equalization as the entire game takes place in the dream

 

[Kellex]

Is undertale just a dream world ?

What makes you say that?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Definitely not. Chara takes over Frisk's body after they wake up if you do the Genocide Route and then the Pacifist Route.
Anyway, it'd still fall under Reality Equalization as the entire game takes place in the dream

they "wake" and what if they arent sleeping?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

This likely refers to the unused "obj_quicheguilt" object, which would prompt the protagonist that "Somewhere, a quiche's worst fear becomes reality" a few seconds after leaving a room. If timed correctly, it can produce a similar glitch as the Punch Card.[6]

Funny enough this is similar to frisk last dream item.

"Through DETERMINATION, the dream became true"

Which would sugest determinetion is connected to "somewhere" and "reality"

Meaning frisk control the timeline similar to how kris control thiers...as if it is a dream

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Should i try make CRT to make this real ?

 

[Randomuser3412]

Should i try make CRT to make this real ?

Absolutely not.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Absolutely not.

Why ? Like we already say magic in undertale isnt real but we forget we have characters that manipulate memory and create from thier will a item

It also dosent really break anything too since the soul itself is affected by "dream" creatures in deltarune

 

[Randomuser3412]

Like we already say magic in undertale isnt real

Magic is very real in Undertale. Whether or not it perfectly mimics what it appears as is up for debate.

It also dosent really break anything too since the soul itself is affected by dream creatures in deltarune

There's just nothing to suggest it's "all just a dream." And it's pointless to even try, because it doesn't change anything.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Magic is very real in Undertale. Whether or not it perfectly mimics what it appears as is up for debate.

Nha, if everything is a ilusion them everything is real and not real at same time

There's just nothing to suggest it's "all just a dream." And it's pointless to even try, because it doesn't change anything.

It is tho because not only frisk jump in power by tracending the dream from the hopes and dream of monsters kind but also heavily sugest that your control over timeline work even in "dream" worlds in deltarune.

 

[Randomuser3412]

Nha, if everything is a ilusion them everything is real and not real at same time


It is tho because not only frisk jump in power by tracending the dream from the hopes and dream of monsters kind but also heavily sugest that your control over timeline work even in "dream" worlds in deltarune.

Listen, man, if you want to try, be my guest.

 

[Breadbear83]

Hey everyone, I was looking around the verse, and with how each calc gets to another one for a specific value for characters or objects height, I believe it may be better for guiding on calcs about making a blog with many character height/objects sizes to help for calcs (it simplifies by just linking to one blog for any value in any calc)

Not only for commodity, but also because the 1.37 m tall frisk calc seems to be lost

I could see from this feat linked in the verse page: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Rodriiogo/Undertale_RE-Calcs#Undyne's_Oven_Explodes

By going throught the links to the past calcs, you can end on where the 1.37m tall frisk comes from: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...losion_Edition#Figuring_out_Frisk's_SOUL_size

This blog gives a link to a 1.37m tall frisk calc from amino app: https://aminoapps.com/c/undertale/page/blog/how-tall-is-papyrus/LD2i_8uMJd7J1qn11VEgng5VDW2mJG7

Thing is that links seems down, so we don't even have the actual calc

Besides including frisk height calc in the blog (to help for over world pixel sizes) also the soul size and battle box sizes in the blog, should be easier as those are calculated already

(I think frisk height is gotten by comparing them to Papyrus who's height is comparable to a door)

So anyone up to the idea or not?

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Is undertale just a dream world ?

Ah, the "Undertale is a Deltarune Dark World" theory I believe in.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Ah, the "Undertale is a Deltarune Dark World" theory I believe in.

Honestly ? Deltarune light world is also just a ilusion soo it not just the dark world but rather the entire cosmology.

 

[Axorandom0]

And what if it is a dream ?

...why would it be?

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

...why would it be?

Due to how timelines seems to work in deltarune where kris need to "close thier eyes" that same thing also appear in undertale through knightknight whem they summon the meteors since "close your eyes" cause a visual flash similar to how you would wake up

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

So anyone up to the idea or not?

Remember the Amino thing was just comparing Frisk to a refrigerator.

 

[Breadbear83]

Remember the Amino thing was just comparing Frisk to a refrigerator.

Probably, this reddit post compares Papyrus to his door, to then from pixel sizes have Frisk at 1.41m, close to the 1.37m, probably by having papyrus be 1 pixel smaller than his door: https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/s/XZcXonTmz2

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Could Frisk be absorbing the energy of the monsters' collective unconscious? In both the pacifist and genocide routes?

 

[Kellex]

Could Frisk be absorbing the energy of the monsters' collective unconscious? In both the pacifist and genocide routes?

No...?

 

[Randomuser3412]

Could Frisk be absorbing the energy of the monsters' collective unconscious? In both the pacifist and genocide routes?

You know what, I'm starting to miss the Homestuck stuff

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

You know what, I'm starting to miss the Homestuck stuff

Just trying fuse the save file system with the idea of collective unconscious.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

Also funny though but frisk and chara do fit the world arcana both upside down and up

 

[LittleGuy99]

I remember Little Mike has a line that goes something like "You see Yellow and Pink and you think 'friend'" if you have the highest score in Pluey

Fun fact: In Japanese FRIEND remains in English and in capital letters

＊ なっ…！　キャット・マイクが　 いちばんハイスコア！？
＊ これじゃ　みんな　マイクは　 ネコだと思うじゃないか！　 なにしてくれてんの！？
＊ オマエたちは　みんなそうだ！　 ピンクと黄色を見たとたん　 「FRIENDだ！！」…って！
＊ 「FRIEND」って言ってても　 味方とはかぎらない！　するどい歯で　 かみついてきたりするんだぞ！

 

[Randomuser3412]

Fun fact: In Japanese FRIEND remains in English and in capital letters

I do not believe this is the case in the English version. How odd

 

[LittleGuy99]

I do not believe this is the case in the English version. How odd

Only the first time does he say it in capital letters

• What!? CAT MIKE has the highest score!?
• What's wrong with you, making people think MIKE is a CAT!?
• I swear, you people see PINK and YELLOW and think, oh, a FRIEND!!
• Being a friend doesn't make you them YOURS! Those teeth, they BITE!

Truly interesting

 

[Randomuser3412]

Only the first time does he say it in capital letters

Truly interesting

Small Mike capitalizes a lot of words in that sentence 'cause he's mad. Maybe it is just because he's yelling... at least in the English version

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

I like the altaltaltaltalt999 theory.

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

"The "garbage noise" seems to be deeply connected to dark worlds but I haven't seen much discussion on why that is. Following is my hypothesis on why garbage noise seems to appear in or around dark worlds:

So, according to Ralsei's explanation of how dark fountains work in chapter 3, they emit some type of "negative light" that turns the room darker than dark, which then turns it into a dark world. And as you might know, light is simply a specific frequency range of electromagnetic wave (See image 2). In real physics there isn't anything like an opposite to electromagnetic waves / photons like there are to protons and electrons, but we'll imagine as if there was.
So the dark fountain releases anti-EM waves in the visible light spectrum to make the surroundings darker than dark, but why should we believe it only does that in the visible light spectrum? Cell phones communicate by sending and receiving EM waves in the micro- and radio wave range. If the fountain also releases anti-EM waves in this spectrum, the phone could pick these waves up and translate the signal into some type of sound... In fact if it's releasing them over a very wide range of frequencies and with good amplitude it would act like a jammer and prevent it from receiving signals from another source. I think you see where I'm getting at. I think the garbage noise is the background radiation in the micro- and radiowave spectrum released by the dark fountains, translated into sound.
This could also explain Entry 17. When Gaster made a dark fountain he probably wanted to experiment with it, and one of the experiments could involve measuring the EM radiation emitted from the fountain. If he measured that in the right frequency and translated it into sound, he would end up with the same noise."

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

 

[Echidnacodefan2512]

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Trust me and we will escape from the city
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