The whole "blitz" amps here is sus for me and I agree with Leona btw. It's accepted so just gonna have to deal with it tho
I have two problems with this. The first is that most of Shigaraki's range attacks would be too difficult to stop or contain due to their sheer Area of Effect.
Fair enough on those attacks not being able to being contained and redirected.
Danger Sense doesn't need hostility to be directed at Shigaraki. A person having the intent to harm Shigaraki in the near future without using an attack that would harm him still triggers it. I mentioned this above in my previous comment, where Danger Sense also detected Low Gear, Smokescreen and Black Whip before Deku even tried to attack him.
Huh??? In all of those situations Deku still had the intent to do X in that moment that the danger sense detected that hostility and made Shigaraki aware of it subconsciously. It detects it
because he was about to use it, it won't detect the true danger of Julius' attacks at the very least until he goes to use one with the intent of hitting him and danger sense actually senses what he's about to do.
I also don't know why he wouldn't take Julius seriously after he tests out the waters and sees that the guy keeps teleporting and is making himself essentially untouchable.
I said
at first, of course as the fight continues he will slowly pick it up and get more serious, point is that for some reason the people are here saying "Shigaraki will just immediatly go for a blitz" in almost frame 1 of the fight which (even if I disagree he can even do that), he wouldn't do that frame 1
AT ALL in this case and only later into the fight.
As said above, most of Shigaraki's usual ranged options would have too large of an AoE to contain and store. And even if Julius is able to catch and contain something like Impure Beams, then Shigaraki would have no issue aim dodging it with his Danger Sense, or just straight up tanking it. In fact, Julius using faster attacks would just speed up Shigaraki's adaptation, as he continuously adapted to Deku's speedblitzes after getting pummeled. Something I want to know is how fast Julius' anticipation can get? At the moment, Julius' rating is 0.89c. If he's capped by the speed of light, then his anticipations would only get like 12% faster, unless I'm getting something wrong. That doesn't quite compare to Shigaraki being able to adapt to become blitz levels faster than his initial speed.
The cap at lightspeed honestly makes no sense in-verse considering theres over 2x multipliers in the series that would make characters immediatly FTL but they get ignored because it'd go over lightspeed (this isn't even a joke, go look at Langris' profile and how it uses the multiplier but then no other profiles uses it and the chain scaling gets stopped because they realise that a singular more multiplier would reach FTL
, there's stated speed multipliers way above that Langris that get ignored because of that)
Julius' anticipation only depends on how long the fight draws out, it's like adaptation, the longer the fight goes on the faster and faster he will anticipate stuff. But if you want an example of how fast he grows, in a single sequence he goes from getting his anticipation basically blitzed and gets hit by Patry's light to then completely anticipating to a degree that Patry could barely move his hand with him saying that he can see his future and that he doesn't stand a chance even though he was just faster moments ago.
And later he would shows that he was much faster again by Patry having to activate arrows of judgement with the power he had stored to escape.
So it is a pretty relevant boost yes, it's damn near blitz almost instantly.
Those "much larger-scale attacks" still aren't large enough to contain Shigaraki's AoE attacks or his giant Flesh Fortress (if he ever gets that far).
The point isn't that they would contain Shigaraki's AoE attacks but
Shigaraki himself, the moment he himself he gets hit by that attack he loses.
As for the Mana Zone, Shigaraki would either spawn the giant Flesh Fortress to prevent himself from getting instantly obliterated, or just start dashing to escape his controlled area. As mentioned above, it seems that simply staying on the move makes it difficult enough for Julius to hit you.
Giant Flesh Fortress is a suicide because...
existence erasure and Julius will spawn it exactly where his body is.
Dashing around will help against the small chronos yes which is why I said if Julius can (and I showed he can) use large sized spheres, that no longer applies as even if he can dodge the small ones the big ones have way too much range to escape.
His information analysis works by reading Mana. First we would have to establish whether Shigaraki has mana in this scenario or is just an anomaly like Asta. Second, you'd have to give me an example of Mana reading being able to tell mages about specific abilities, outside of attributes, including abilities that aren't mana based.
In situations like this where the verse's abilities rely on someone having X energy for them to work it is assumed that the person fighting will always at least some of that energy. Biggest example of this is JJK match-ups where the opponents are always given at least basic CE so the abilities can work on them.
That specific showing of damage reversal seems far too slow to matter. Decay should be pretty proportionate with Shigaraki's speed.
It isn't really, it's just Julius taking his time to even start healing it which he wouldn't when he can realise that if he doesnt heal shiga's decay fast he will die.
The version I am saying is the one he did againts the demon, that engulf his whole arm, that is enough AoE to catch shigaraki, I will continue reading your argument, I recently returned
Well if he hits that then it's just a win for him, not an inconclusive, Shigaraki has no way of winning if he ever gets hit by any of the time attacks.
The thing is that everyone is literally saying that thanks to danger sense he is not gonna do that and he is gonna use speed amps to one shot first and not do any decay shenanigans with AoE, if that was his true first option, then I would believe Julius can win for precog that, teleport, mana zone and spam chronostasis
Which makes no sense via what danger sense is. Danger sense isnt some future sight that tells him everything about the opponent before the opponent does anything, it simply allows him to predict and sense hostility and attacks coming (and his body will also dodge on his own). Shigaraki in literally NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM will go for a blitz immediatly frame 1.
Shiggy is not gonna start with decay wave when Danger Sense and Search are screaming at him that this dude can easily **** him up if goes for his usual strategies.
I'm sorry, HOW exactly are danger sense and search meant to scream at him when Julius haas not used a single attack? Danger Sense is good yes, but yall are acting like it quite literally lets shigaraki just KNOW what people have, just KNOW what people will do by looking at them standing there. That's NOT how it works man. Just quoting myself:
The reason I don’t think this just becomes "Danger Sense tells him about threat = win" is because of how
Julius fights in contrast.
Julius is basically the opposite of Shigaraki in how they fight. He keeps his distance and mainly focuses on defense and analyzing his opponent before even using actual attacks once. Against Patry, for example, he doesn’t attack mostly at all at first, he focuses entirely on defense while looking at the situation while trying to work out the most effective way to end the fight and for openings to seal him, he also uses that chance as well to continuously adapt, anticipating attacks faster and faster.
When Julius uses Chrono Stasis here,
he uses it to stop incoming attacks rather than directly targeting their spell to the opponent. So that wouldn't trigger Danger Sense, since there’s no direct hostile intent toward Shigaraki in those moments, so he would not find out about the threat level here (at first) and would simply sense how weak Julius is physically via his
Extrasensory Perception (which would actually backfire and just make him not take Julius as serious).
So the fight wouldn't be "short" and/or immediate.