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She isn't weaker per say though. Just that her blasts are (occasionally) more powerful than her physical strikes.
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The deep is also scared of starlight when she has her powers, but he was beating her without them
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While Hughie holding his own against Maverick is kinda BS (or he is just that inconsistent lmao), would that still count for scaling Hughie to people that can hurt him at least? S5 Hughie to 9-B.
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I think so. I mean, Hughie can also take out a big guy that would’ve kill Frenchie. It’s clear he’s genuinely pretty strong. It’s likely he’s stronger than he was at the start of the show
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Yeah. While the guy is featless, I think the intention of the scene was to scale Hughie to the likes if Frenchie. Plus other guys in the camp could fight someone like MM.
100% lol. I think he should have a separated key for S5.
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The V part is too much headcanon for my comfort personally. It’s likely he was simply hardened in the camp, possibly put through training like you said. Homelander even commented on him acting different. It’s likely he’s stronger too
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I'm surprised no one mentioned
That certainly helps with the supporting neutron bomb statement:
how Stan said himself his bunker is buried under 90 feet of solid concrete
That certainly helps with the supporting neutron bomb statement:
So a target 90 feet (27 meters) under solid concrete> 0.3 kilotons of TNT, so the current rating of 2 kilotons makes it very consistent.
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Yeah, I think so too. But we should really wait until the end. I have a feeling we’re gonna get something, whether it’s a showing, or statement, that will give us a better idea of just how powerful homelander is
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To be fair that's basically useless and a non factor against Homelander. Homelander isn't a bomb, he doesn't have to penetrate 27 meters of concrete.
He can just go in through the elevator shaft after breaking the door Cindy was trying to.
If Stan was actually smart he would have high frequency speakers everywhere in the bunker and door, plus two sentry Turrets with depleted uranium core bullets.
Literally would have smoked Cindy, Deep and Dogknot.
He can just go in through the elevator shaft after breaking the door Cindy was trying to.
If Stan was actually smart he would have high frequency speakers everywhere in the bunker and door, plus two sentry Turrets with depleted uranium core bullets.
Literally would have smoked Cindy, Deep and Dogknot.
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A bomb is also a single impact thing so like nothing stops homelander from continously striking to make his way down
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The whole design of the bunker is awful. The second hatch as far we saw is just a hatch which is most likely the way Noir came through and got Stan.
Not to mention the hatch is such a awful weak point that there are no motion detection alarms when Zoe leaves or when Noir enters. Plus it's not even like a physically good hatch considering Zoe can manually lift it rather than super heavy hydraulics operated vault style hatch.
Huh... Stan Edgar is a fraud.
Not to mention the hatch is such a awful weak point that there are no motion detection alarms when Zoe leaves or when Noir enters. Plus it's not even like a physically good hatch considering Zoe can manually lift it rather than super heavy hydraulics operated vault style hatch.
Huh... Stan Edgar is a fraud.
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A system that rapidly depletes oxygen in selective room, causing occupants to suffocate. It would be effective in the event of a breach.
Additionally, a system capable of releasing the super virus on command in the event of a breach
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To counter speeders, numerous cameras capable of capturing tens of thousands and even hundreds of thousands per second will be installed both inside the bunker and across its wider surroundings. An AI will monitor all these images 24/7. If a speedster is caught on camera, the entire bunker will automatically switch to lockdown mode. It’s a bit of overkill, as 5000 FPS cameras are more than enough to capture the fastest man, but someone even faster could always turn up. In addition, pressure sensors will also be installed
To detect the invisible, infrared cameras will be installed both inside the bunker and in the surrounding area. Airflow monitoring systems will be installed, and the airflow in each room and outside of bunker will be monitored. Pressure sensors will also be installed. The results will be continuously analysed by an AI.
To counter those with heightened senses, the bunker will be made airtight by installing a negative pressure system. Air will enter but will not escape. The waste air trapped inside will be incinerated at high temperatures. To mask the human odour outside the bunker, natural scents, such as the smell of earth and plants, will be released at regular intervals. In addition, odour neutraliser systems will be used to eliminate human odours to a large extent.
To counter those with electrical powers, the Bunker will be constructed with multiple layers of Faraday cages. And analogue systems will be installed as a backup for the electrical systems.
To counter starlight, cut the power, just as Edgar did. But not the entire Bunker's, just in the section where Starlight is located and surrounding section.
To counter those with ice powers, Each section will be constructed so that it can be heated or cooled. If someone with ice powers attempts to freeze a particular area, the system will detect the drop in temperature and supply heat to that area. Similarly, the opposite will also apply: if a section is heated, the system will detect this and cool that section.
Furthermore, the Bunker will not be constructed as a single, monolithic structure, but rather as a modular design, with each section being fully expendable and capable of being sacrificed if necessary. And complete isolation will be ensured between each section
In addition, every surface of the bunker will be made heat-resistant by applying an Inconel coating. Heat will be dissipated using porous ceramic foam. Heat transfer will then be prevented by an air gap.
Of course, the bunker will be built underground, will draw power from a variety of different energy sources, and will have enough stored energy to sustain it for years.
I don’t know how much all this would cost, but it could certainly be done for 10 billion dollars, especially in a world where superpower exist.
To detect the invisible, infrared cameras will be installed both inside the bunker and in the surrounding area. Airflow monitoring systems will be installed, and the airflow in each room and outside of bunker will be monitored. Pressure sensors will also be installed. The results will be continuously analysed by an AI.
To counter those with heightened senses, the bunker will be made airtight by installing a negative pressure system. Air will enter but will not escape. The waste air trapped inside will be incinerated at high temperatures. To mask the human odour outside the bunker, natural scents, such as the smell of earth and plants, will be released at regular intervals. In addition, odour neutraliser systems will be used to eliminate human odours to a large extent.
To counter those with electrical powers, the Bunker will be constructed with multiple layers of Faraday cages. And analogue systems will be installed as a backup for the electrical systems.
To counter starlight, cut the power, just as Edgar did. But not the entire Bunker's, just in the section where Starlight is located and surrounding section.
To counter those with ice powers, Each section will be constructed so that it can be heated or cooled. If someone with ice powers attempts to freeze a particular area, the system will detect the drop in temperature and supply heat to that area. Similarly, the opposite will also apply: if a section is heated, the system will detect this and cool that section.
Furthermore, the Bunker will not be constructed as a single, monolithic structure, but rather as a modular design, with each section being fully expendable and capable of being sacrificed if necessary. And complete isolation will be ensured between each section
In addition, every surface of the bunker will be made heat-resistant by applying an Inconel coating. Heat will be dissipated using porous ceramic foam. Heat transfer will then be prevented by an air gap.
Of course, the bunker will be built underground, will draw power from a variety of different energy sources, and will have enough stored energy to sustain it for years.
I don’t know how much all this would cost, but it could certainly be done for 10 billion dollars, especially in a world where superpower exist.
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Homelander will be moon level by the series finale. Trust.
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I think we should give A-Train an S5 Key because there's no way he's faster than Homelander if he has the same speed as his S1 Key. In both feats and statements, Homelander has better speed than A-Train, even with the Compound V.
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We are sorting out speed stuff for the whole verse, but yeah, his post-heart transplant key would deflect his chase with Homelander
Honestly, high frequency speakers, some electrified floors and a system to release halothane/propofol, and you're good to go.
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Probably should have flooded the entire complex with halothane and went deeper into a more secure safe room and wait for all the capes to be knocked out before escaping.
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I could see it. It’s really complicated though, as we have multiple implications that he’s slower than he was in his prime. That being said though, there’s plenty of room for discussion with how vague the statements we have are
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I wanted to address this in the initial thread but why do we not scale Homelander to the full energy value of a neutron bomb and instead use just it's blast energy? Stan specifically says the "The power of a neutron bomb", nothing about his statement implies he was only referring to the blast power of the weapon as opposed to its full overall yield. Nuclear weapons are specifically measured by including blast, thermal radiation and nuclear radiation as a standard which includes neutron bombs. It fits wiki standard for nuclear statements, why should this case be different? Neutron bombs are specifically designed to be low-yield nuclear weapons in order to maximize neutron radiation, and reduce blast effects, with yields above 10 kilotons becoming impractical for desired effects. So when Stan says "The power of a neutron bomb" to refer to Homelander's power, its far more likely he's saying "The power of a low yield nuke" which energy values are known, as opposed to him doing quick math's in his head to calculate the blast energy of some random low yield nuke.
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The wiki standards don't have you scale to a full yield of a bomb unless you have nuclear powers or face tank a point blank nuke. If the quote was about Solider Boy's explosion, then you could full scale it. Homelander can't fire radiation beams from his fists.
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The quote was comparing a characters power to that of a nuke, which does entail full scaling.
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Execpt Homelander can't scale to neutron bombs. He isn't emitting high intensity radiation.
And like I already said, Stan's statement makes no sense. A bunker against a supe is as strong as it's weakest point. So Unless the vault door can tank a point blank a nuke, Homelander doesn't scale to this statement.
And like I already said, Stan's statement makes no sense. A bunker against a supe is as strong as it's weakest point. So Unless the vault door can tank a point blank a nuke, Homelander doesn't scale to this statement.
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I think I remember, when Soldier Boy was chasing Butcher and the others, Butcher referred to him as an H bomb or something
We have many vague statements referring to Homelander/Soldier boy as various powerful bombs, or implying they could possibly survive them. It’s just so hard to back them up. I really hope to get something more solid before the series ends
We have many vague statements referring to Homelander/Soldier boy as various powerful bombs, or implying they could possibly survive them. It’s just so hard to back them up. I really hope to get something more solid before the series ends
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The statement is literally "X character is equivalent in power to Y weapon", it can't get any more clear cut. I don't know why you are so adamant about this when we literally already accept this scaling on his profile. The only thing I'm proposing we change is him scaling to the full amount instead of just the blast for reasons stated above. It would still remain a "possibly" rating.
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I understand the statement is a clear cut one. But since it is a stupid-ass statement, I have elected to ignore it.
Can the bunker survive a neutron bomb ? Yes. But is Homelander restricted to the methods of a Neutron bomb ? No.
Option 1 - He can still dig his way into the bunker at much lower yields because again Homelander isn't a bomb, he can keep exerting force constantly. He is a jack hammer.
Option 2 - Homelander can just you know..GO THROUGH THE MAIN DOOR. He isn't a bomb to be dropped from the sky, can just show up to the door and laser it open.
So Stan's statement is a borderline irrelevant comparison with smart sounding words..oh right that's basically all "smart" characters in the show.
As for Stan comparing Homelander to a Neutron bomb, that also has major issues. First, how ? There is no way Vought actually tested Homelander against nuclear bombs of any kind.
Because first, Vought couldn't get one. They can't even get into the military until Homelander created Supervillains.
And second, Homelander would be dead as radiation fries V. Not to mention Vought has no reason to test nukes against Homelander, he is a multi million to a billion dollar asset whose death would be a massive loss for Vought if the experiment fails.
So on what basis did Edgar made said comparison ?
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Also the scaling is getting revised after the season ends. It is very much a possibility that if no feats on this level are achieved, or lower feats show up (which they will), it's gonna get downgraded.
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Can the bunker survive attacks from supes who powerful as a Neutron Bomb? Yes. That is exactly what the statement says. It says that the Bunker can withstand supes with the power of a neutron bomb, not that the Bunker would survive a neutron bomb.
As I mentioned earlier, it was said that The Bunker can withstand supes with the power of a neutron bomb, not that it would survive the explosion of a neutron bomb.
Let me repeat: Edgar didn’t say that The Bunker would survive a neutron bomb explosion; he said that The Bunker can withstand supes with the power of a neutron bomb
It is not irrelevant.
They don’t need to test him against nuclear bombs. They started experimenting on him when he was still a single cell. They know what Homelander is capable of. And they know just how powerful he is. And they know just how powerful a neutron bomb is. Even we know that.
Doesn't matter.
Again, doesn't matter.
He said this based on the fact that he was the head of the company that conducted the tests and experiments on Homelander since he was just a single cell, and that also keep testing his limits, that also created all the Supes.”
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I didn't know being the head gave him the powers to conduct experiments bypassing all steps of it. Again let's just let the season finish and I personally downscale the verse gladly.
Also again the statement is stupid. Using a bomb as frame of reference for the safety of a bunker doesn't compare to supes who can just dig through or tear the gates. It is absolutely irrelevant against supes, this is not a matter of debate.
Saying "Doesn't matter" is utterly the most pathetic attempt at debunking an actual point.
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Being at the helm of the company gives him access to its most valuable assets, Homelander and everything related to him
The neutron bomb was not used as a direct frame of reference for The Bunker’s security. The neutron bomb was used as a frame of reference for the supes's power.
If the statement said that The Bunker could withstand a Neutron Bomb or can survive from an Nuclear Explosion, you’d be right, but the statement says that The Bunker can withstand supes with power of an Neutron Bomb
If the point adds nothing to the discussion, it is doesn't matter, and saying so is not pathetic.
The fact that Vought does not have access to a nuclear bomb is irrelevant to Edgar’s statement, which is the subject of our current discussion. Because Edgar’s statement isn’t about Homelander withstand a nuclear bomb or he did survive from a Nuclear Explosion. This would have been matter if we were discussing the statement that Homelander can withstand all man-made weapons.
Homelander wouldn’t have died when radiation fries the V in his blood; we saw this with Queen Meeve. She didn’t die. And as I said earlier, it doesn’t matter whether Vought conducted tests with a nuclear bomb or had access to one, because we’re not debating the statement I mentioned above.
And yet you’re treating one of the clearest possible statements as if it were vague, simply to downplay the verse. The statement clearly and unequivocally states that there are supes with power of a neutron bomb.
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Wouldn't that be referring to SB anyways? As Homelander never shows the ability to exude radiation or make massive explosions that Neutron bombs are renowned for. Only Sb has done that. And the yield of said explosions are small compared to ur average neutron bomb.
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Personally, It should be. Because the statement was phrased in a way that implied not just one super, but more than one. I had suggested that this statement be counted for SB and scaled to full efficiency with his explosions, but Qaw rejected it, and I didn’t push the further.
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So the new VR game is canon:
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"Ricardo Justus: That’s why we chose to create a new playable character. You’re not playing as Butcher or MM—you’re someone new who joins The Boys.
This allowed us to tell a canonical story without interfering with the main events of the show. We also created a new group of Supes, called the Armstrongs, who act as the primary antagonists. That gave us characters we could fully explore and, in some cases, eliminate.
Homelander is still present as a looming threat, but he’s far beyond your power level. There are moments where your only option is to escape him.
We worked very closely with the show’s writers and showrunners to ensure everything felt authentic. They helped shape the story, dialogue, and tone, while we focused on gameplay. It was a collaborative process where"
Inside The Boys VR: Trigger Warning’s Gameplay, Story, and Tech
ARVORE CEO Ricardo Justus discusses adapting The Boys into VR with Trigger Warning, covering gameplay design, telekinetic powers, story integration, and technical challenges.
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"Ricardo Justus: That’s why we chose to create a new playable character. You’re not playing as Butcher or MM—you’re someone new who joins The Boys.
This allowed us to tell a canonical story without interfering with the main events of the show. We also created a new group of Supes, called the Armstrongs, who act as the primary antagonists. That gave us characters we could fully explore and, in some cases, eliminate.
Homelander is still present as a looming threat, but he’s far beyond your power level. There are moments where your only option is to escape him.
We worked very closely with the show’s writers and showrunners to ensure everything felt authentic. They helped shape the story, dialogue, and tone, while we focused on gameplay. It was a collaborative process where"
Just_Butchering
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Sigh, not again the misinterpretation of the Edgar quote 
He quite literally says "Below layers of zinc-reinforced concrete. Safe from Xray vision or anyone with the power of a neutron bomb."
Given the context, this most likely refers to Homelander.
But yeah, is not "The bunker can withstand X, therefore Y scales to X"
He says "The bunker can withstand the power of someone relative in power to X".
So, yeah, Edgar says "Homelander=Neutron Bomb"
(Also, funny thing how MM says that Soldier Boy is "an H-bomb" in S5E2)
He quite literally says "Below layers of zinc-reinforced concrete. Safe from Xray vision or anyone with the power of a neutron bomb."
Given the context, this most likely refers to Homelander.
But yeah, is not "The bunker can withstand X, therefore Y scales to X"
He says "The bunker can withstand the power of someone relative in power to X".
So, yeah, Edgar says "Homelander=Neutron Bomb"
(Also, funny thing how MM says that Soldier Boy is "an H-bomb" in S5E2)
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Thank you for giving me the quote. Thank you. See how it mentions X-Ray vison, specially mentioning radiation shielding ? I mean you only use Neutron bomb when talking about radiation not yield.
Stan isn't talking about power, the accurate translation of this quote is "This place is radiation shielded to hide from Homelander's x-ray vision."
Yeah Soldier boy is called a H-Bomb. For his radiation power, not because he is equal to a actual hydrogen bomb.
Stan isn't talking about power, the accurate translation of this quote is "This place is radiation shielded to hide from Homelander's x-ray vision."
Yeah Soldier boy is called a H-Bomb. For his radiation power, not because he is equal to a actual hydrogen bomb.
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Have you guys seen this? What do you think?
And then at what point did you decide that Queen Maeve's (Dominique McElligott) arc this season would be a lot more connected to the main storyline and that she would deliver that seemingly final blow to Soldier Boy?
When you map out these hero's journey things, you reach this organic part for Starlight when, for her to truly rise into the hero we need her to be, we need to take away her mentor-slash-protector. And sure enough, there are like three different scenes in season two where Starlight's in a lot of trouble, and then suddenly Maeve's there.
So, the conversation started to turn to, as much as we love the character and as much as we love Dom, we sort of needed to take this protection away from Starlight. We said, OK, well, if we're doing that, then it's time to play all the cards we wanted to play, which is a huge fight with Homelander that she might have won.
I mean, that's what I love about that fight. We imply that had it kept going, she might have won.
'The Boys' showrunner Eric Kripke breaks down the finale's surprising death, Starlight 'owning her power,' and what's to come next season
The showrunner, executive producer, and head writer spoke to Insider about the finale's major moments and themes that will be part of season four.www.businessinsider.com
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I did, forgot to brought it up lol.
But idk, the show didn't seem to depict that despite their claimed intentions
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Do you know where this comes from?
The Boys – Season 4: Stephan Fleet - Production VFX Supervisor - The Art of VFX
Back in 2020, Stephan Fleet detailed the visual effects for the second season of The Boys. After working on the third season, he’s here once again to talk about his work on the newest season of our beloved anti-heroes. How did you organize the work with your VFX Producer? We’re a lean team on...
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