The Boys discussion thread

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

The Boys suddenly getting a Man of Steel or Batman v. Superman scale fight would be pretty funny though. If only for how inconsistent it would be with everything else.

nah man just give it a gurren lagann level final fight for no discernible reason whatsoever

 

[Queen_Dasania]

Well, we can scale Hughie to MM now. I’m assuming we need a new key for season 5 hughie

Also, Kimiko could rip through Butcher’s tendrils. So it shows this form of Butcher shouldn’t scale to Homelander or anything crazy

Also, Kimiko could be hurt by the boys with a weapon somewhat. This isn’t the first time we see some tbh one like this. Firecracker, who could fight Kimiko, got knocked out by Butcher with a crowbar

I don’t think this is enough to change their scaling necessarily, but it’s worth taking note of

 

[Jropzone1]

Well, we can scale Hughie to MM now. I’m assuming we need a new key for season 5 hughie

Also, Kimiko could rip through Butcher’s tendrils. So it shows this form of Butcher shouldn’t scale to Homelander or anything crazy

Also, Kimiko could be hurt by the boys with a weapon somewhat. This isn’t the first time we see some tbh one like this. Firecracker, who could fight Kimiko, got knocked out by Butcher with a crowbar

I don’t think this is enough to change their scaling necessarily, but it’s worth taking note of

I think butcher should have scaling to homelander at the very least in physical durability as he withstood his heat vision blast that had no reason not to be full power.

 

[Naeem0304]

We ain't getting a nuke scene come on guys, that's a pipe dream. Not only is Homelander in a major city which means no one can drop a nuke on him, I highly doubt they will suddenly increase the scale so much.

I mean the best we got is Soldier boy destroying a building and most of it was offscreen.

Literally this, and narratively speaking Homelander has the president of the United States acting like a pawn in his game. Y'know, the same president who's the sole authority in requesting nuclear strikes.

He's above nuclear weapons from a political standpoint within US soil since he owns the person who controls them.

It's what Sage's plan was from the get-go, for Homelander to realize that real power is controlling the masses by manipulating the system. Remember when Homelander lasered the guy in public for "harming" Ryan? The easiest way at vilifying Starlight (and to remove tension from Homelander's trial) was to have Noir and Deep kill Homelander's fans, while making it seem like the Starlighters were the perpetuators.

Ashley casually mentioning in either S5E1 or E2 how Homelander dismantled the CIA/FBI seals the deal by removing critical intelligence/legal clearance/enforcement from the Constitution.

Having a nuke get flown to Homelander means full-on mutiny.

Lowkey, we've got an argument for At least 7-B Homelander via nuclear weapons

 

[Just_Butchering]

Well, we can scale Hughie to MM now. I’m assuming we need a new key for season 5 hughie

Working on a sandbox for him. Will share it after work now.

Also, Kimiko could rip through Butcher’s tendrils. So it shows this form of Butcher shouldn’t scale to Homelander or anything crazy

I didn't noticed she cut it. But yeah, they fought each other on relative terms.

Also, Kimiko could be hurt by the boys with a weapon somewhat. This isn’t the first time we see some tbh one like this. Firecracker, who could fight Kimiko, got knocked out by Butcher with a crowbar

I don’t think this is enough to change their scaling necessarily, but it’s worth taking note of

Supes are weird on those case. Like, Butcher with his crowbar against Stormfront, or MM with a bat against Temp V Butcher, they first got staggered by the hit, but then tanked subsequent ones. Maybe supes are like, "less" durable when not expecting the hit?

 

[Jropzone1]

Was he? I mean, a bit yes, but it didn't look like a huge margin.

He threw her very easily and had no issue with her at the beginning of the season

 

[Jropzone1]

This was for me atleast, the weakest episode of the season. Annie meeting her father was entirely pointless because no one was interested in her family drama in the finale season. All Noir theories got nuked, they pranked us.

Other than that we didn't get V1. The plot just keeps going back to square one.

And Homelander isn't even as scary as he used to be. Also why did SB let them go after they had nearly killed him with a Virus ?

All the noir theories were incredibly dumb anyway

 

[57Dev]

All the noir theories were incredibly dumb anyway

I never believed the Clone theory or OG noir theory. More so I was thinking that current noir is becoming crazy like the comic one.

Which to be fair was teases by s4 with that Murder boner crap

 

[Just_Butchering]

He threw her very easily and had no issue with her at the beginning of the season

Maybe cause she didn't fully expected it. Here they were both under a mind effect that made aggressive and hostile towards each other, and yet she held her own really well, withstand his blows and hurting him back. Even if Butcher was stronger, the scenes didn't imply a big margin.

 

[Phirse]

Alr homelanders performance after being exposed to what is essentially a nuclear reactor shows any multi megaton warhead vaporises his poor ass talk about the TSAR bomb

And it does show human weapons can damage him

 

[Phirse]

Also this kinda proves that all the statements about supes being able to survive nuclear weapons is a bunch of bullcrap or is overstated when this is the test. It more than likely refers to the radioactive fallout from an atomic bomb. Not a point blanc strike.

Spoiler: Homelander dies to a low yield nuke

 

[Mvrr]

And Homelander isn't even as scary as he used to be

It's hard to make him scary when he's lowkey dying from radiation. But I do think he we just got one of the scariest Homelander shots, looks like something straight out of Marvel Zombies [when he tries to laser the glass]

Anyway, it seems radiation is lethal or at least depowering to all supes. Homelander, for how powerful he is, is still a supe and it kinda works on him. I'll also take it as confirmation that SB can depower him. The implication is that V itself is weak to radiation.

 

[Mvrr]

I would have switched up the villain though.

I know there's only been two like that [The Thing expy and Vecna], but I'm sick of landlocked Supes. The writers lost all their creativity this season.

 

[Mvrr]

another V1 user possibly being still alive

as long as Vought Rising doesn't show them dying or we don't get confirmation they are dead [which we likely won't because it spoils Vought Rising] It's reasonable to believe all of them are alive. Well besides the nazi. I never doubted it.

 

[Phirse]

Yh Homelander gets put down if he goes rogue by any competent, non fictional NATO, the US or any country that has nukes really. Bare minimum he gets permanently depowered.

"no weapon on Earth could hurt him" my ass.

 

[Just_Butchering]

Yh Homelander gets put down if he goes rogue by any competent, non fictional NATO, the US or any country that has nukes really. Bare minimum he gets permanently depowered.

"no weapon on Earth could hurt him" my ass.

Uh, yeah? That statement was always BS. And the Butcher one was about his upper limit (a Hydrogen bomb would kill him).

Although I don't see how this episodes proves he can't survive an atomic bomb. It doesn't necessarily negate or affirm said feat, just that radiation weakens him.

 

[Mvrr]

"no weapon on Earth could hurt him"

"No weapon on Earth hurt him" they probably only tried guns, swords and grenades

 

[Naeem0304]

Yh Homelander gets put down if he goes rogue by any competent, non fictional NATO, the US or any country that has nukes really. Bare minimum he gets permanently depowered.

"no weapon on Earth could hurt him" my ass.

Yeah, but it's not easy. Any competent military protects its citizens first, and nuclear warfare is almost a dumb tactic to use against someone who's got crazy senses (superhearing/X-ray vision) and insane flight speed.

Plus, Homelander's smart enough to just chill in major cities to force said militaries to hold off. The ramifications in killing millions of people for one Supe would literally do a number of things:

1. Failing to actually kill him if he manages to dodge it, or destroy it with Heat Vision.

2. The country loses international allies.

Taking him out would be difficult, and millions would definitely die.

 

[Phirse]

Yeah, but it's not easy. Any competent military protects its citizens first, and nuclear warfare is almost a dumb tactic to use against someone who's got crazy senses (superhearing/X-ray vision) and insane flight speed.

Plus, Homelander's smart enough to just chill in major cities to force said militaries to hold off. The ramifications in killing millions of people for one Supe would literally do a number of things:

1. Failing to actually kill him if he manages to dodge it, or destroy it with Heat Vision.

2. The country loses international allies.

Taking him out would be difficult, and millions would definitely die.

Yh that's if Homelander is smart. We know that at least rn in his current mental state a toddler could out maneuver him. All they would have to do is lure him sufficiently away from the city and then detonate the bomb. Or just lure him into the same contraption they used on Soldier Boy. And his super senses such as super hearing have been nerfed by the writers. Unable to hear the din literally the floor below him.

How is he meant to hear or track the 1m warhead streaking at a pace of 7000kms per second in the sky in the midst of a city. No chance he's dodging that.

 

[Phirse]

Also SB's combat speed is so ass. Like only his reaction speed should be that high. He actually had to use bullets to get Frenchie

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Joseph Joestar Vs Homelander (Jojo vs The Boys)

Not even going to pretend this was an original thought. I am literally just copying this: Joseph Joestar (Post-Training Key): AP: 4 Tons of Tnt, 12 Tons of Tnt with Hamon Overdrive LS: Superhuman (>0.5452 Tons) Homelander (TV Show): AP: 20.56 Tons of Tnt, higher with Heat Vision and Rage...

vsbattles.com

 

[ShionAH]

Also SB's combat speed is so ass. Like only his reaction speed should be that high. He actually had to use bullets to get Frenchie

I dont understand how SB has a chance at beating HL, like we saw how fast Homelander can move against A Train and with Butchers C4 scene or even when he looks for Translucent while Soldier Boy is not catching up to Frenchie

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I dont understand how SB has a chance at beating HL, like we saw how fast Homelander can move against A Train and with Butchers C4 scene or even when he looks for Translucent while Soldier Boy is not catching up to Frenchie

I feel like Soldier Boy’s showings are proof that Homelander’s peak combat speed feats like the explosion one are just outliers

 

[Naeem0304]

Yh that's if Homelander is smart. We know that at least rn in his current mental state a toddler could out maneuver him. All they would have to do is lure him sufficiently away from the city and then detonate the bomb. Or just lure him into the same contraption they used on Soldier Boy. And his super senses such as super hearing have been nerfed by the writers. Unable to hear the din literally the floor below him.

How is he meant to hear or track the 1m warhead streaking at a pace of 7000kms per second in the sky in the midst of a city. No chance he's dodging that.

Yeah, his mental state has gone nuts. As I said before though, he controls the whole country and deliberately took out intelligence agencies like the CIA/FBI, so at this point there'd need to be a mutiny to create this situation.

We also have to consider what Episode 4 was trying to do with the whole Democratic Church of America thing. It was partially to give Homelander a human shield since they were "ascending" him as a religious figure. And when there's a democracy that gives power to the people who decide they choose the prophet over the truth, then Homelander effectively becomes invincible (in a certain way). It poises the military, and we saw how much influence it was beginning to show when even Annie's father (who wasn't supportive of Homelander) had to put the "we're for Homelander" signs on his lawn out of fear.

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

even Annie's father (who wasn't supportive of Homelander) had to put the "we're for Homelander" signs on his lawn out of fear.

That was the only part of the Starlight subplot I think I enjoyed, a good bit of world-building to show not everyone in the public who follows HL actually supports him and what lengths regular peeps will go to protect their families out of fear.

 

[Spinoirr]

Also SB's combat speed is so ass. Like only his reaction speed should be that high. He actually had to use bullets to get Frenchie

Bro has the tank build, slow af, powerful and extremely durable

 

[Just_Butchering]

Working on a sandbox for him. Will share it after work now

This is what I have.

 

[Queen_Dasania]

I feel like Frenchie should get some kind of resistance after this episode. Since he was the only one unphased by the tree guy. Even Butcher, Homelander and Soldier Boy seemed to be affected

 

[Just_Butchering]

I feel like Frenchie should get some kind of resistance after this episode. Since he was the only one unphased by the tree guy. Even Butcher, Homelander and Soldier Boy seemed to be affected

So, the explanation was:

"What the f*ck are you on about, Frenchie?"

"Toxoplasmosis. It's a parasite in cat sh*t.
It can infect humans. Makes them react with explosive anger."

"You think we ate cat sh*t?

"Ate? No. If the V1 spilled into the groundwater,
it could mutate th-the plants. Their spores fills us with rage, we murder each other, and voila… we're plant food for these vines."

"Okay, so like The Last of Us?"

"No, that is just The Walking Dead with mushrooms. The dead campers, the animals, these hunters. Surely, you all see how strangely you've been acting."

"Us? I've seen you blow cocaine up your d*ck hole."

"Wait. You have a point. The copious amount of drugs I've taken for decades has surely altered my brain chemistry. That's why I'm not affected."

My guess is this counts as a "Limited Resistance to Biological Manipulation" (Resisted the effects of mind altering spores due to his abnormal brain chemistry) or something. But it would an specific type of resistance.

 

[Jropzone1]

Also SB's combat speed is so ass. Like only his reaction speed should be that high. He actually had to use bullets to get Frenchie

That's not combat speed, more so just running speed that's average-athlete

 

[57Dev]

Nuking Homelander just doesn't work. He is mostly in Vought tower. Trying to nuke new york is near impossible given the retaliation and first of all getting past the defences.

And even if you succeed, your country is gone by the next week.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

"no weapon on Earth could hurt him" my ass.

Soldier Boy can be knocked out by Novichok so yeah since S3 we know that even the most powerful Supes on Earth are not immune to the most powerful human (and natural) weapons.

The problem is that they remain hard to kill and you need access to such weapons just to hope to affect or kill them.

 

[The_one_you_least_expect]

I liked the latest ep in a vaccum but for the final season it kinda felt filler esq in hindsight with some exceptions. As for powerscaling I feel like the uranium chamber thing should honestly just further cement the whole homelander being able to survive nuke thing since we know they apparently have ways to simulate atomic bombs in some capacity

 

[Reiner04]

I didn't expected Homelander to destroy Mars with his heat vision.

 

[57Dev]

I didn't expected Homelander to destroy Mars with his heat vision.

I loved the part where the deep uses his power to go deep, applied reversed cursed technique to reverse the power into going peak instead, then reach one decillion layers into boundless.

 

[ShionAH]

I loved the part where the deep uses his power to go deep, applied reversed cursed technique to reverse the power into going peak instead, then reach one decillion layers into boundless.

No cap ong bro

 

[Reiner04]

I loved the part where the deep uses his power to go deep, applied reversed cursed technique to reverse the power into going peak instead, then reach one decillion layers into boundless.

Wasn't it because Butcher helped him kill creator 7th (God of the Boys Multiverse)?

 

[Kaydee1648]

Dale is not gonna like the 7 new MFTL+ feats we got

 

[Dalesean027]

Dale is not gonna like the 7 new MFTL+ feats we got

I am NOT an agenda pusher, if that realistically were to happen I'd be all for it since that would be mega consistently if ya legit got those in that capacity (I'd cook yall tho if they were travel only feats tho and didn't scale to combat and reactions)

 

[Kaydee1648]

Got it