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Megami Tensei General Discussion Thread

hey guys. Been a while.

So out of the blue, want to ask about Matter Lucifer and his standing in the verse. Has anything changed?




Same with Primal Satan from SMt5. Seems like he is different from his SMT4 incarnation.

Thanks for the answer in advance.
Haven’t gotten an answer and I’m sorry cause I didn’t word it anywhere close to what I wanted to say lol. Don’t know why I wrote it that way.

So blatantly what I want to know. Pretty sure smt5 has been out long enough where all info from it is known in pretty much it’s Japanese language.

I meant to write, what’s the standing between matter Lucifer and primal Satan in the game. Who is the superior one. I’m pretty sure this Satan is likely different from his smt4a self too. So I’m still unsure who is supposed to be superior.
 
Haven’t gotten an answer and I’m sorry cause I didn’t word it anywhere close to what I wanted to say lol. Don’t know why I wrote it that way.

So blatantly what I want to know. Pretty sure smt5 has been out long enough where all info from it is known in pretty much it’s Japanese language.

I meant to write, what’s the standing between matter Lucifer and primal Satan in the game. Who is the superior one. I’m pretty sure this Satan is likely different from his smt4a self too. So I’m still unsure who is supposed to be superior.
Sincere apologies for late answer. I knew what your question entailed but was too busy to answer.

Transcendent Lucifer is farr more powerful than Primal Satan. While they are both part of the Phenomena, and thus Archetypes of True Atziluth. Lucifer already was an Archetype in SMT III before he killed YHVH and absorbed his Knowledge, becoming even greater.

Plus Satan only has a portion of his essence.
 
Oh it is fully outdated. I have asked for the Profiles to have the Outdated Template in them. But for some reason, no one ever did.

Ofc Huuuge revisions are happenin as we speak
anything i could be of help?
i'm not as good in creating, but you can count on me for applying changes and edits in general
 
i think first thing i'll do whenever our profiles get the outdated tag out is create Joker vs Makoto/Minato to get a very nice incon, because it is so cool IMO that now in P3R they are both end-game bosses of one another

what y'all think?
 
Joker is far from mid-game Makoto, both are end-game bosses in both p5R and p3R
Neither of them are Canon. As they are heavily contradicted by the games' events.

In Persona 5 Royal, Challenge Battle MaKotone is stated to have stopped The Fall. Which ofc means Universe Arcana… to which they far transcend practically everything in the entire setting.

Persona 3 Reload The Answer has a Cognitive Joker, whom then Fuka points out is the strongest thing she has ever sensed… when she has sensed Nyx…
 
Neither of them are Canon. As they are heavily contradicted by the games' events.

In Persona 5 Royal, Challenge Battle MaKotone is stated to have stopped The Fall. Which ofc means Universe Arcana… to which they far transcend practically everything in the entire setting.

Persona 3 Reload The Answer has a Cognitive Joker, whom then Fuka points out is the strongest thing she has ever sensed… when she has sensed Nyx…
just joker upscale
 
Neither of them are Canon. As they are heavily contradicted by the games' events.

In Persona 5 Royal, Challenge Battle MaKotone is stated to have stopped The Fall. Which ofc means Universe Arcana… to which they far transcend practically everything in the entire setting.

Persona 3 Reload The Answer has a Cognitive Joker, whom then Fuka points out is the strongest thing she has ever sensed… when she has sensed Nyx…
Well, that just means that in both games they're known as "the strongest mf i've ever seen", meaning it's pretty clear Atlus puts them as somewhat in the same level

i'm fairly sure i'm not saying anything remotely controversial
 
Teddie is actually fantastic tho. Morgana is f**king insufferable and cancerous. And I am a HUUUGE cat lover
Ngl i hate both. Teddie constantly sexually harrassing women pmo especially when he tries to play it off by being stupid though he does get a bit better later in the story i guess
 
Teddie mid-high diff
looking at their skills rq and considering both at lvl99

-Diego vs Kamui-Moshiri is impossible because the latter blocks wind (Teddie stomp)
-Mercurius vs Kamui (Zorro vs Kintoki-Douji shouldn't be different) is very likely to get a Morgana W, because
  • Garudyne's cheaper than Bufudyne, SP-wise
  • Ice Break's doing nothing while Wind Breaker makes Mercurius' moves work
  • With Proud Presence, Morgana can use a cheaper healing move while Teddie won't have the same capability, meaning Morgana can last longer

So when they're matchable, Morgana should be able to get the W...
 
Ngl i hate both. Teddie constantly sexually harrassing women pmo especially when he tries to play it off by being stupid though he does get a bit better later in the story i guess
Hey now, it's not Teddie's fault he was exposed to Yosuke, Yukiko's Dungeon, and Kanji's dungeon in the span of like, 3 months.
 
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