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Mundus finally gets updated DMC

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I'm switch my vote on that Bangle of Time thing to neutral, though i have some issue

Existence Erasure (said void doesn't allow others to exist)
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I read the entire album and can't find the part about EE at all

Immortality (Type 5) & Inorganic Physiology (Type 2; Mundus is an empty Void)
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Remove Inorganic Physiology, being NEP already make this ability redundant, also you need some reasons for Immortality type 5 rather than simply dude is a void

Nonexistent Physiology (Nature【Type 1】; Aspects 1, 2, 3 & 5【Other:〈Space-Time〉】) (The Demon King has fused with the Heart and the Nexus of the Demon World and in turn became an empty void, a state superior of that of the Sargasso's own nonexistent nature and that should precede reality as the source of the Demon World. The Void is stated to exist outside of the flow of time and directions.)
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1. This is on your sandbox, bolded part is duplicated imgur album, probably you should fix it

2. Aside from Aspect 5 which have explanation, the rest of which is Aspects 1, 2, 3 you need to have proper explanation on why Mundus having them, cause we don't even have Sargasso profile
 
Vietthai96 said:
I read the entire album and can't find the part about EE at all
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It's in the second translation. Take a closer look:

Beryl right now, is painfully ashamed (OOOOF).
This is a not a place that would allow her to exist.
No, it is not a place where any person is allowed to enter.
Just the demon king himself, and those comparable to him, can just barely stay.
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So.....everyone except Sonic just decide to ignore my comment??. Well, whatever
 
Vietthai96 said:
So.....everyone except Sonic just decide to ignore my comment??. Well, whatever
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... Sorry, I'm tired and didn't

Vietthai96 said:
I'm switch my vote on that Bangle of Time thing to neutral, though i have some issue
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I'm tired and I already edited shit so can we talk this out before I have to undo everything and edit it back in again?

Bangle of time, stated to not work on those with high mental fortitude which translates to supernatural willpower or mind manip. Nightmare is an example that this isn't exactly the case as the thing is mindless and had its free will taken away by Mundus as explained in VoV chapter 8 (I think?) and Kaitai Shinsho when Dante gives his commentary about it saying it is only a weapon with the command to destroy and kill
Vietthai96 said:
I read the entire album and can't find the part about EE at all
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What sonic posted, The Void doesn't allow others to exist or enter and even those of comparable strength can barely exist. Beryl is there only because of the BH mark which controls Fate so she dies eaten by the statue.

Vietthai96 said:
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done
 
Alright. Sorry, Vietthai, I didn't ignore your comment, I figured the other changes were being implemented and those were being put off.

NEP 2 and Cosmic awareness are pretty much out. Vietthai is neutral on the Bangle, opposed to existence erasure and tells Tony to add more details to the abilities noted below there.

That means we have two agreements to the existence erasure and time bangle, one disagreement to the existence erasure.

So we need a little more input and Tony, if you could add some more detail to the sandbox that'd be good.

@Planck69 @Reiner04 @Elizhaa @Emirp sumitpo what do you think here?
 
Guys comment faster than i reading comment bruhh

Anyway, i'm not really oppose EE, just i can't find the exact line for it among the wall of texts on scan (and imgur text front being small didn't help either) so i asked for help and Sonic did it already
 
Random-Helper323 said:
What about the stuff with insufficient votes?

Scanning the profile, it appears those things weren't changed.
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Inorganic stuff was removed and EE is agreed by Vietthai tho... The only thing left is make the justification for Sargassos abit more detailed and that's about it?

Idk what else needs to be addressed unless I'm missing something...
 
So, should we treat this thread as concluded? I noticed the things that didn't receive support weren't added, so it seems okay.

Shall I close it?
 
Random-Helper323 said:
So, should we treat this thread as concluded? I noticed the things that didn't receive support weren't added, so it seems okay.

Shall I close it?
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You guys could ask another mod for that Bangle of Time thing you know, in case you guys want to add it
 
Random-Helper323 said:
@Planck69 @Elizhaa @Dalesean027 @Imaginym @Reiner04

Hey, what do you think of the Bangle of Time stuff?
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GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Okay this is just nonsense, wikis stance on willpower based feats being some weakness is just pure cope DT invented to cut OPM at its leg. Didn't agree with it then, don't agree with it today. Tell me with a straight face DC Green Lanterns or Gurren Lagan verse has this weakness lol



First and foremost, Wiki Willpower =\= DMC willpower. Willpower is literally the nucleus of DMCs theme/plot and magic system. Energy is derived from willpower. So every feat in the verse has willpower shenanigans to back them up. Just because Bangle has a statement for mental fortitude doesn't mean every other feat of power or resistance isn't based on WP. I can give grocery list of feats for that. You have to account for UES in verse, willpower alone by wiki definitions isn't going to help any verse survive/negate DMC hax/resistance.

Mention this as standard resistance, or just delete the entire physiology and energy page atp because I can legitimately substitute WP as replacement to every hax and resistance in the series.
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GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
This willpowe/love/hate/ humanity/spite/emotions etc directly improve quantity and quality of magical power.

That Credo Ascension ceremony scan directly gives Agnus' scientific observation about resolve = power, to the point even quantity of demonic power is inconsequential in comparison. Then you have Nicos demon analysis, another "scientist" Agnus daughter lol, then you have Dante's statement from DMC1 guide which is just the most spoon fed heavy handed pasta about the core theme of the series and it's direct ties to magic.
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Tony_di_bugalu said:
Bangle of time, stated to not work on those with high mental fortitude which translates to supernatural willpower or mind manip. Nightmare is an example that this isn't exactly the case as the thing is mindless and had its free will taken away by Mundus as explained in VoV chapter 8 (I think?) and Kaitai Shinsho when Dante gives his commentary about it saying it is only a weapon with the command to destroy and kill
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Somehow it is me who actually do the work

but anyway here is the argument for Bangle of Time from the supporters
 
Planck69 said:
It seems straightforward enough. What seems to be the issue?
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We just want to note that high level demons resist it. It stops time, powerful demons still move while time is stopped, but the description says it doesn't work on those with strong will. The issue is that it also doesn't work on Nightmare which is mindless. It also seems weird to me to think a character can somehow use normal willpower to move in stopped time and also that somehow that isn't resistance to time manipulation.
 
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We just want to note that high level demons resist it. It stops time, powerful demons still move while time is stopped, but the description says it doesn't work on those with strong will. The issue is that it also doesn't work on Nightmare which is mindless. It also seems weird to me to think a character can somehow use normal willpower to move in stopped time and also that somehow that isn't resistance to time manipulation.
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Is this not just Supernatural Willpower + Resistance to Time Manipulation? Willpower can do many things in fiction that would otherwise be impossible. It's a mechanism to explain why a character can do things like any other.
 
Planck69 said:
Is this not just Supernatural Willpower + Resistance to Time Manipulation? Willpower can do many things in fiction that would otherwise be impossible. It's a mechanism to explain why a character can do things like any other.
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Willpower sustains entire magic system in DMC. Bangle isnt special. All resistance, hax, power, speed, RE/AD, transformations etc come from willpower. Some members want Bangle being singled out as purely willpower feat not a resistance feat because it has an explicit statement, when in fact it applies to everything by mechanics of verse.

Its actually a nothing burger, but to avoid unnecessary precedents it needs to be mentioned properly. Simply mention it as resistance feat and move on. no need to mention willpower when it is acknowledged universally for magic system.
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GilverTheProtoAngelo said:
Willpower sustains entire magic system in DMC. Bangle isnt special. All resistance, hax, power, speed, RE/AD, transformations etc come from willpower. Some members want Bangle being singled out as purely willpower feat not a resistance feat because it has an explicit statement, when in fact it applies to everything by mechanics of verse.

Its actually a nothing burger, but to avoid unnecessary precedents it needs to be mentioned properly. Simply mention it as resistance feat and move on. no need to mention willpower when it is acknowledged universally for magic system.
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Yeah, ignoring resistance and/or willpower is asinine. If willpower lets you shrug off being erased then that's also Existence Erasure resistance. The mechanism is just there for explaining a resistance, which in this case is Supernatural Willpower.

Obviously agree with this also being resistance to time stop.
 
Planck69 said:
Yeah, ignoring resistance and/or willpower is asinine. If willpower lets you shrug off being erased then that's also Existence Erasure resistance. The mechanism is just there for explaining a resistance, which in this case is Supernatural Willpower.

Obviously agree with this also being resistance to time stop.
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Cast already have supernatural willpower. The entire issue is whether moving in stopped time is resistance to time stop or somehow achieved by just being very determined with no resistance involved.

Anyway, thanks for evaluating.
 
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Random-Helper323 said:
Cast already have supernatural willpower. The entire issue is whether moving in stopped time is resistance to time stop or somehow achieved by just being very determined with no resistance involved.
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It's Resistance no matter how you slice it. Full stop. It being willpower doesn't stop it from handing out resistances, never has and never will.
 
Nightmare have no mind of his own and can resist just fine the time stop, so regardless willpower is not necessary to resist the bangle of time, they should get resistance to it anyway
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Cast already have supernatural willpower. The entire issue is whether moving in stopped time is resistance to time stop or somehow achieved by just being very determined with no resistance involved.

Anyway, thanks for evaluating.
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It could be via "the sheen of their six-pack abs" and it would still be resistance to time stop lol.
 
Yeah, it's pretty obvious that moving in stopped time is resistance. Thanks, Planck and everyone else who helped out.

Closing the thread now.
 
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