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The Boys discussion thread
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Oh damn. I need to rewatch the episode.
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It's a really weird scene ngl. I guess we could technically argue he was slightly fatigued and damaged after the Quicksilver scene, since we hear he's out of breath during the entire chase scene. Also ig combat vs travel speed or something.
But even that's really funny, how does one go from statueing Homelander's heat vision - something that usually blitzes even characters relative to Homelander himself, to struggling to outrun him just because you're kidna out of breath?
And with the last season in mind it gets even weirder because I'm pretty sure I remember Deep dodging his punch or something lmao. So like did he just get that fast over a single year or what's up?
There's always the cheap and easy outlier argument but the scene is so on the nose that dismissing it as an outlier feels very counterintuitive
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Well, I didn't. I avoided spoilers as much as possible.
I do agree that Season 1 kind of set up a fun premise that they quickly diverged from.
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I don't know, I thought it would be a really interesting development if Homelander had to now walk on eggshells and be afraid of the virus, and it would've played into all the people berating him for actually being scared/weak thing.
Him being paranoid over everything he eats/drinks would contribute to his growing mental problems too.
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Maybe but I doubt that'd happen ngl. The virus was always established to be incredibly contagious so the moment anything with it appears near Homelander he'd know it because every supe around him, which is basically everyone around him at this point, would immediately die.
Also I think it was always somewhat clear Homelanders death won't be caused by the virus. The entire Gen V sideplot with Marrie being Homelander level as well as Sam having potential only second to Homelander, Butcher powering up, and even Annie powering up, all seem like they'd be kinda pointless if they end up just poisoning Homelander to death.
Personally I think a more interesting situation is the one they're in right now, where the virus might even be a bigger threat for TBs rather than to Homelander and SB. Especially if they were to decide that dupes supes surviving the virus makes them build up antibodies and makes them immune making SB a massive threat since they wouldn't even be able to weaken him with it anymore.
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My imagination was that Homelander would be scared to death of it just to end up being immune himself, feeding his ego even harder (but only after he kills a bunch of people close to him in fear), ultimately leading up to more of a bloody clash for the actual death.
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On an objective level absolutely not, Season 1 is by far the most competent and best produced season of the show, most likely because the producer behind Breaking Bad was behind the show at that time, but I'm not going to say that Season 3 wasn't enjoyable (if only for Solider Boy being a delight every time he's on screen).
Like, if I had to rate the seasons based on enjoyment, for me it'd go
S1: 9/10
S2: 6/10
S3: 7/10
S4: 2/10 (Only saved from a 1 because I like A-Train's character and arc this season)
S5 (so far): 6/10
This is not on an objective, writing level mind you, if that were the case Season 2 and 3 would be lower. But tbh the show has just completely changed what it was originally about, and has become the very thing it was parodying.
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"The Boys: Mexico"
I still don't know what the point of this show is lmao. I hope it will be cancelled.
Season 4 is clearly the weakest, but thanks to A-Train arc and Homelander scenes in the lab, it's not an abysmal season in my opinion.
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I'm one of those people who are big proponents of World Building. Seeing Supes in other countries and how they interact would be cool and I think it has a lot of potential given how Mexico is well known for it's cartel and crime problems ( sorry if this comes of as an insult to any Mexican here).
Vought Rising should be good in this regard too. I think the Boys should explore it's political aspects a bit more rather than become a generic superhero show.
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Just_Butchering
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I think this solidifies what I meant. Normal Homelander moves just as fast as the other supes. But he can (sort of) keep up with A-Train via his flight speed. Also this confirms his HV is faster than his movement, which makes sense, prior to this all HV dodging was aim-dodging.
Maybe just like A-Train, he has to "turn on" his speed mode, speed and reflexes included. That would actually explain the speed inconsistencies.
As I said before (but put it all together in the spoiler tag lol) HL likely has to activate his speed mode, like he did when stealing the guns from the terrorists. And there is a clear depiction of his speed when flying from his normal fighting speed.
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If you need help, I'm (somewhat) available.
Though most likely everyone ends at Superhuman lol
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As a Mexican American, I am very offended... if they omit the piss filter.
They'll probably go the typical crime angle, but they could be a touch more nuanced and have us follow people with powers not in the US, wondering why that is. I'm thinking Logan minus Logan.
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That I remember (?
- Hughie knocking out a big guy in one hit
- Noir II can fight Starlight
- Deep can track A-Train and his family
- Soldier Boy is the best tracker
- Soldier Boy can resists temps of -190°C for almost 2 years
- Kimiko can be just fine while cut in half with her insides hanging out
- A-Train can outspeed Heat Vision, and Homelander's flight speed can (somewhat) keep up with A-Train's running
- Ashley gets Multiple Selves and Mind Reading, but apparently Sage can resist it
- Soldier Boy is referred to as an H-bomb (MM: "A ******* H-bomb is headed this way.")
- Apparently the supe virus causes a lot of pain (Kimiko: "Chewed off. Sliced in two by Homelander. Shot here, here, here. It hurt everytime. But the virus? That was the only time I wanted to die. The pain. Agony! ******* agony!")
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sha boing boing
Coming after the Boys wankers (mainly on Youtube) whenever Dalesean makes that downgrade CRT
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Nice. However, I would like to point out that when A train was being chased by Homelander, he must not have been running at full speed or at least the speed he used previously. Because in the next scene his HV is literally faster than him and Homelander just keeps missing. When previously he could blitz the HV like 20 times over. There's also the fact that a normal human can talk and do multiple actions whilst he's running.
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I think A-Train’s short-burst movement and combat speed can statue Homelander, but his travel speed over long distances is comparable to Homelander’s flight and attack speed.
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I feel like wall level is way too high for UE’s dura, when the van thing needed him hospitalized.
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This I disagree with the notion of it being burst speed just to save face for homelander, bro was simply just blitzed and isn't as fast as people had him and can only keep up with A-Train speed when flying relative enough to track him. So yeah I'm against just writing it off as a headcanoned burst speed rating
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A-Train isn't particularly known for his stamina either to be honest though. Like, we've seen him get winded before from running at top speed. Considering the urgency of the situation, it's very possible that he was booking it to that camp as fast as he could and was still pushing himself right up to when he got hit by Homelander's laser. Combine both factors, it's not unbelievable that he'd be moving slower than before. Like, if you shot Usain Bolt in the shoulder or cut his shoulder with a burning piece of metal, do we really expect him to be performing at his best?
Hell, we blatantly see that he had way more control over his momentum when he was ripping off Quicksilver; still moving at top speed even when he's standing still and interacting with people. Then during his escape from Homelander, he's suddenly unable to react to a civilian in the street without tripping over his feet and sending himself flying through trees?
Hell, we blatantly see that he had way more control over his momentum when he was ripping off Quicksilver; still moving at top speed even when he's standing still and interacting with people. Then during his escape from Homelander, he's suddenly unable to react to a civilian in the street without tripping over his feet and sending himself flying through trees?
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He travelled there from France thats hardly what you'd call burst speed
Just_Butchering
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He constantly scales to The Boys, plus
he took a casual hit from SB that dented a wooden wall
Just_Butchering
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Hard to tell because HV doesn't have an stated speed. Otherwise, I think gun's muzzle is frozen so, insanely fast lmao
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Bro still hasn't figured out travel vs reaction speed
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******* batshit insane speed, like at least Mach 6850.
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Very fast
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The Boys Season 5 - A-Train and bullets and muzzle flashes in a stand-still
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This is pretty inflated and we don't actually see any visible bullets but regardless it'd be in the High Hyper to MHS range regardless though ofc narratively its just meant to represent Supersonic~ish speedsVery fast
The Boys Season 5 - A-Train and bullets and muzzle flashes in a stand-still
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there were guns fired in the scene for sure, though
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Narratively, it should be way faster than supersonic because Homelander was stated to be supersonic, even when a kid, and A-Train statued him.
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I said there were no visible bullet not that they were never fired
Which is a flight speed feat not his combat and reactions which are consistently far slower
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Strictly narrative wise as well, A trains pb was slower than Homelander's flight speed when searching for translucent. Which is after he was a kid. So there's no way he was supersonic before.
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feel like this should probably count as freezing a bullet, anyway
EDIT: actually apparently muzzle flash is even faster than the bullet itself?
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You mean the reaction of giant monsters we literally see move in slow motion when seen from human perspective?
Like the entire roller coaster heav ride in GvK.
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Idk what this is meant to represent? There are still no bullets visible in the scene and sure muzzle flash is present but that has no bearing on anything I said in any of my comments?
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how fast would you need to be to freeze the muzzle flash from a gun?
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Carbines like the ones seen in the clip usually use a flash hider which should reduce the velocity of the muzzel flash.
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