On Aeonic Scaling (Honkai)

[PedjaTarzan]

Low 2-C is tenable if we take every new cosmology statement as absolute even if it contradicts previously established stuff
2-A is if we treat herta and yao guang statement as inconsistent bcs theres genuenly several explanations how tree holds infinite worlds and branches being timelines etc etc which is consistent why many hsr expys are literally different versions of hi3 characters (just compare izumo and hi3 earth and u will see it)
and its the fact ZANDAR acknowledges this btw
3. we accept both and get low 2-C possibly 2-A due to having both consistent and inconistent cosmology statements
I am voting number 2

 

[PedjaTarzan]

This is what I want to see. Try to provide a scan that shows a leaf the size of the universe.

just the size of the galaxy, actually strengthens my previous argument

where does this assumption come from?? when there is a scan from hsr directly if the leaf is only the size of a star cluster

okay this is just what nova named negative tracking im not gonna respond to this we have been going over this gazillion times

 

[SuperNova55555]

Low 2-C is tenable if we take every new cosmology statement as absolute even if it contradicts previously established stuff

“If the we ignore the contradicted statements, the universe is universe-sized” ✌

 

[PedjaTarzan]

“If the we ignore the contradicted statements, the universe is universe-sized” ✌

they just gonna make hsr 3-A eventually anywwy, thats how far they are going with spewing random shit

 

[Voidnether]

I deadass still don't know how Herta and Yaoguang's statement are considered inconsistent to 2-A after the explanations I laid out

 

[Mbpoops]

This is what I want to see. Try to provide a scan that shows a leaf the size of the universe.

just the size of the galaxy, actually strengthens my previous argument

where does this assumption come from?? when there is a scan from hsr directly if the leaf is only the size of a star cluster

 

[Voidnether]

they just gonna make hsr 3-A eventually anywwy, thats how far they are going with spewing random shit

Infinite size is literally as clear as day

 

[Furina003]

Bro, to be honest I can't open that image

 

[Voidnether]

Bro, to be honest I can't open that image

its the photo of higuruma soloing genshin

 

[Furina003]

but yeah, I agree with 2A, the things I discussed earlier are probably better discussed in a separate CRT.

Bro, this discussion is already 3 pages long.

 

[Mbpoops]

Non canon

Its canon to hi3.

NOt genshin. But galaxy where the planet Teyvat is located. Not entery universe of genshin

If you say he say teyvatt then he saw genshin’s leaf world which is the entire universe. If uou are saying genshin’s leaf contains other galaxy sized leaves then you got it bro ive never seen a leaf in a leaf. Unless genshin is just galaxy sized. Im not commenting on this side comversation anymore

 

[Jackof_noTrades068]

Bro, this discussion is already 3 pages long.

On the bright side, discourse this time seems rather civil

 

[Re5yh]

2-A seems fine for me

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

On the bright side, discourse this time seems rather civil

2-A is fine and next CRT Genshin is being obliterated. Cyrene isn't going to be able to save that leaf world for a second time.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

2A seems ight

2-A is fine and next CRT Genshin is being obliterated. Cyrene isn't going to be able to save that leaf world for a second time.

Lmao

 

[Mbpoops]

Idk if i should do a seperate crt on this but since ur nuking dudu she should get 11D hde for absorbing the ether anchor and its dimensions

 

[Weaver261]

The larping must be stopped xD

You guys won't get to any kind of conclusion with how much Honkai cosmology is being inconsistent with. Just do different canons like DC did

Anyway, put me as disagree.

Irontomb destroying the universe didn't even affect Aeons. It's crazy to say aeons only scale to physical universe.
Also people are misunderstanding Honkai MWI a lot lol.
In Honkai cosmology, every choices generate a parallel world in the universe as different space times (with various sizes). This is backed up by a lot of stuffs like kevin otherworld storyline, nagamitsu game server analogy and zandar theory.

“In areas where the source of Honkai is strong, the original laws of nature will be disrupted and even time and space will be distorted. But this world is not a fake created by the Honkai, but a world that actually exists in the Universe.”

“What do you mean!?”

“Yes, for each different choice, a new parallel world will be generated in the universe.”

It would be crazy to claim that Honkai doesn't run on MWI when u literally get to see same people with parallel storylines.
You claimed Honkai alternate timelines don't exist because of quantum collapse. This is also used in Honkai impact part 1.5 where Su stated that observing future can make the future more deterministic

But that doesn't mean MWI no longer exists because worlds are already actualized in the universe as different space times. This universe containing infinite timelines actualized as different space times form a normal universe where wave function collapse determining the main future direction. It's weird for sure but it can work without being in contradictions.

Scan? I ain't got time for that lol....just search it up. I never fake and made up scans yall know that xD

GL with whatever

 

[Mbpoops]

The larping must be stopped xD

You guys won't get to any kind of conclusion with how much Honkai cosmology is being inconsistent with. Just do different canons like DC did

Anyway, put me as disagree.

Irontomb destroying the universe didn't even affect Aeons. It's crazy to say aeons only scale to physical universe.
Also people are misunderstanding Honkai MWI a lot lol.
In Honkai cosmology, every choices generate a parallel world in the universe as different space times (with various sizes). This is backed up by a lot of stuffs like kevin otherworld storyline, nagamitsu game server analogy and zandar theory.

It would be crazy to claim that Honkai doesn't run on MWI when u literally get to see same people with parallel storylines.
You claimed Honkai alternate timelines don't exist because of quantum collapse. This is also used in Honkai impact part 1.5 where Su stated that observing future can lead to it.

But that doesn't mean MWI no longer exists because worlds are already actualized in the universe as different space times. This universe containing infinite timeline actualized as different space times form a normal universe where wave function collapse determining the main future direction. It's weird for sure but it can work without being in contradictions.

Scan? I ain't got time for that lol....just search it up. I never fake and made up scans yall know that xD

GL with whatever

The problem with the mwi is that nous explicitly nukes the mwi with quantum state collapsing so unless nous is just a fraud then idk. But i do somewhst agree with you

 

[Voidnether]

Yeah no shit Aeons scaling to the physical universe especially their true form is just wrong, I only agreed with their avatars being 2-A ngl

 

[Mbpoops]

Then theres this..

 

[SuperNova55555]

Irontomb destroying the universe didn't even affect Aeons. It's crazy to say aeons only scale to physical universe.

Aeons scale to the physical universe because they lack feats of anything higher.

ut that doesn't mean MWI no longer exists because worlds are already actualized in the universe as different space times.

But to go to a future point in time, it requires the collapse of the other timelines. This only works if quantum collapse ONLY happens when Nous does an instant.

Also, it doesnt address the cosmological and narrative contradictions with Kallen's timeline

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

The larping must be stopped xD

You guys won't get to any kind of conclusion with how much Honkai cosmology is being inconsistent with. Just do different canons like DC did

Anyway, put me as disagree.

Irontomb destroying the universe didn't even affect Aeons. It's crazy to say aeons only scale to physical universe.
Also people are misunderstanding Honkai MWI a lot lol.
In Honkai cosmology, every choices generate a parallel world in the universe as different space times (with various sizes). This is backed up by a lot of stuffs like kevin otherworld storyline, nagamitsu game server analogy and zandar theory.

It would be crazy to claim that Honkai doesn't run on MWI when u literally get to see same people with parallel storylines.
You claimed Honkai alternate timelines don't exist because of quantum collapse. This is also used in Honkai impact part 1.5 where Su stated that observing future can make the future more deterministic

But that doesn't mean MWI no longer exists because worlds are already actualized in the universe as different space times. This universe containing infinite timelines actualized as different space times form a normal universe where wave function collapse determining the main future direction. It's weird for sure but it can work without being in contradictions.

Scan? I ain't got time for that lol....just search it up. I never fake and made up scans yall know that xD

GL with whatever

Blame Nous
I do somewhat agree tho

 

[Weaver261]

The problem with the mwi is that nous explicitly nukes the mwi with quantum state collapsing

I mean Nous isn't nuking MWI but rather the universe where MWI already happened. Also hi3 early chapter Einstein comments are funny. What do you mean wave function collapsing and creating a singular universe is the basis of MWI lol

 

[SuperNova55555]

Yeah no shit Aeons scaling to the physical universe especially their true form is just wrong, I only agreed with their avatars being 2-A ngl

Yo this doesn't mean anything bro. It's the same situation of Aeons having HDE but not scaling to that dimension in it's infinity. That's the same thing here. They exist in Path Space but no feats to show it affects the entirety of it outside of the Physical Universe

 

[Voidnether]

Yo this doesn't mean anything bro. It's the same situation of Aeons having HDE but not scaling to that dimension in it's infinity. That's the same thing here. They exist in Path Space but no feats to show it affects the entirety of it outside of the Physical Universe

Do you actually think Qlipoth and the rest boxed Tayzzyronth in the physical universe instead of Path Space? How do you even dilute an Aeon from their Path if it's not on Path Space

 

[Mbpoops]

I mean Nous isn't nuking MWI but rather the universe where MWI already happened. Also hi3 early chapter Einstein comments are funny. What do you mean wave function collapsing and creating a singular universe is the basis of MWI lol

So ur saying the worlds exist but nous just kills worlds that dont align with his future? I mean its believable tbf nous just precogs diff timelines

 

[SuperNova55555]

Do you actually think Qlipoth and the rest boxed Tayzzyronth in the physical universe instead of Path Space?

Their bodies, yeah. They just possess some abstract form of "condensed philosophy" like a soul-like thing or wtvr. But it doesn't matter since whether they exist in Path Space or not has NOTHING (and I mean, NOTHING) to do with my point. I can grant either and it would change (once again, so you understand it) NOTHING.

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

Following, I also I agree with aeons should be 2A

 

[Weaver261]

Aeons scale to the physical universe because they lack feats of anything higher.

Higher dimensional to 2-A is already L1-C. Since only dudu who fused with SoQ extra dimensions can entre the tree, aeons should also be h1c. no?

But to go to a future point in time, it requires the collapse of the other timelines. This only works if quantum collapse ONLY happens when Nous does an instant.

Also, it doesnt address the cosmological and narrative contradictions with Kallen's timeline

Kallen stuff isn't exactly creating a new branch on current point in time but rather going back to past and creating a timeline branching from that. So from objective view, the tree was always that way. I think they made it pretty clear in beyond will chapter. Due to MWI, infinite possibilities are realized as different space times in a singular universe and then only after that wave function collapse and decide the future where all these worlds are going to go in the future.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Aeons scale to the physical universe because they lack feats of anything higher.

HooH and IX

HooH is merged with the tree and IX is either SoQ or what u argued abt them being img space
and HooH has cn that implies hes merged with img space (or just path space of entire universe) which means he isnt capped to the physical part

 

[Weaver261]

So ur saying the worlds exist but nous just kills worlds that dont align with his future? I mean its believable tbf nous just precogs diff timelines

Nous doesn't kill anything except the possibilities of the whole universe. These possibilities aren't the same as MWI possibilities. Do u get what I am saying?

 

[Mbpoops]

Higher dimensional to 2-A is already L1-C. Since only dudu who fused with SoQ extra dimensions can entre the tree, aeons should also be h1c. no?

Folk

 

[Mbpoops]

Nous doesn't kill anything except the possibilities of the whole universe. These possibilities aren't the same as MWI possibilities. Do u get what I am saying?

If these possiblilites dont exist then they dont count. If they do exist then they do count for 2-A. Are you saying the worlds nous prunes are real and existing worlds or just mere “possibilities”

 

[SuperNova55555]

Higher dimensional to 2-A is already L1-C. Since only dudu who fused with SoQ extra dimensions can entre the tree, aeons should also be h1c. no?

You don't get a tier from just being higher-dimensional. You'd need to affect an infinite 5-dimensional space for that. But the feat is only infinite 4-dimensional

Kallen stuff isn't exactly creating a new branch on current point in time but rather going back to past and creating a timeline branching from that. So from objective view, the tree was always that way. I think they made it pretty clear in beyond will chapter. Due to MWI, infinite possibilities are realized as different space times in a singular universe and then only after that wave function collapse and decide the future where all these worlds are going to go in the future.

Nono. The issue is Herta saying that the branches and leaves are only the present. And the narrative issue is Nous supposedly cutting the branches

HooH and IX

HooH is merged with the tree and IX is either SoQ or what u argued abt them being img space
and HooH has cn that implies hes merged with img space (or just path space of entire universe) which means he isnt capped to the physical part

Feat for HooH affecting an infinite higher-dimensional realm beyond Real Space?

 

[Weaver261]

If these possiblilites dont exist then they dont count. If they do exist then they do count for 2-A. Are you saying the worlds nous prunes are real and existing worlds or just mere “possibilities”

Nous is pruning universe's timelines, not worlds' timelines.

 

[Mbpoops]

Nous is pruning universe's timelines, not worlds' timelines.

So nous didnt kill kallen

 

[SuperNova55555]

Nous is pruning universe's timelines, not worlds' timelines.

No that's just not what Herta says. At all.

She says that the multiplicity of branches are what make up the present. So Nous would have to prune the individual timelines of every leaf

 

[Weaver261]

You don't get a tier from just being higher-dimensional. You'd need to affect an infinite 5-dimensional space for that. But the feat is only infinite 4-dimensional

So did H1C thread passed or not lol xD

Nono. The issue is Herta saying that the branches and leaves are only the present. And the narrative issue is Nous supposedly cutting the branches

Obviously??? And Herta was just giving an analogy so that Cyrene can understand. It's not a literal theoretical model like zandar's or Otto's.
Branches are the timelines of different space times. And these different space times are the results of MWI. Nous cutting branches will mean the universe will have only one star cluster as zandar theory described it which isn't obvious the case.

I just think you are reading too much into Herta giving familiar and simple analogy so that Cyrene who doesn't know much can understand it in layman terms.

 

[Mbpoops]

Nous having more authority over the future than the supposed aeon/concept of time is quite silly

 

[SuperNova55555]

So did H1C thread passed or not lol xD

Do Aeons have feats of them affecting the entirety of Imaginary Space?

Nous cutting branches will mean the universe will have only one star cluster as zandar theory described it which isn't obvious the case.

No there are multiple worlds with each having a branch. That's fine. But leaves don't have parallel leaves, just themselves