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On Aeonic Scaling (Honkai)

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SuperNova55555 said:
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LMFAO
 
SuperNova55555 said:
They happen but Terminus goes back in time. Think of it as “ungrowing” the branches.
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Isn't this just blatant headcanon? Terminus is going back in time in this timeline too. Is he ungrowing this branch from the I.T? The whole point of Terminus is that he's seen the possible futures and that was expositing them. No 'ungrowing' is ever done.
 
PlungingThroughTime said:
Isn't this just blatant headcanon? Terminus is going back in time in this timeline too. Is he ungrowing this branch from the I.T? The whole point of Terminus is that he's seen the possible futures and that was expositing them. No 'ungrowing' is ever done.
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If Nanook (or rlly anyone else) destroyed the Tree, then there'd be no past to go back to. We KNOW that Finality is literally reversing time. That's what ungrow means:
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Oh right, you didn't play 3.8 yet lel
 
I am truly confused, how can we draw a conclusion that a leaf can be the size of a universe, is there any explicit statement that explains that, or is it merely headcanon from the Genshin and GGZ universes?

Even in HSR it is stated that a leaf is only a fragment of will a universe, not a universe itself.
A young shoot sprouted from the cracks of primordial chaos. Nurtured by time for billions of years, it grew into a huge, unrivaled tree.
The branches of the giant tree bore colorful young leaves, each containing a fragment of the universe's will — a will that eternally speaks in cryptic vagaries but also bestows stunning scenery, treasures, epics, and life upon every world
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Which is where the Imaginary Tree is the tree of the universe and these leaves represent a civilization/world that is bounded by an imaginary barrier.
Imaginary Tree (Theory)
The Imaginary Tree is a theory of the universe widely accepted by the modern scientific community.

This theory describes the various worlds existing in different spacetimes as having a tree-like structure. Every branch is a specific path along which worlds might exist, with every leaf being the marks these worlds have made along the parameter of time. The crown of the tree remains in a dynamic state as it absorbs the masterless Imaginary Energy from the space-time vasculature of the trunk. New shoots grow, withered leaves fall, and endless births and deaths occur among the infinite universe... Describing the universe's structure as a "tree" may be an attitude that views the Imaginary Tree as a life form.

Before the theory of Imaginary Tree was put forward, the universe had been addressed as "a void and indiscernible object" because of its undetectable nature. After the theory was developed, people would visualize its principle using imagination: The untamed imaginary energy surges endlessly through space-time vasculature, and forms at its tips "star clusters" that humans can understand — in other words, countless worlds. The worlds are separated from each other just as leaves are separated by air, between which are unknown imaginary domains that are nigh impossible to traverse.
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It is even explained here that the imaginary barrier only limits a world the size of a galaxy/star cluster
In the ancient times before Akivili the Trailblaze traversed the starry skies, people were already casting their eyes to the mighty galaxy above their heads. Armed with infinite curiosity towards the unknown, countless civilizations had started space exploration. However, their attempts had all failed.

In the Imaginary Tree theory put forward by Zandar One Kuwabara, 1st member of the Genius Society, the universe is filled with the mysterious Imaginary Energy. Imaginary Energy isolates star clusters from each other and even light canot pass through it. Therefore, human space exploration is often limited by the boundaries of their individual worlds, unable to advance any further. Zandar also poses a hypothesis that humans would be able to control the universe if we can control and manipulate Imaginary Energy. It was a romantic illusion for a long time, until it was brought in reality by the appearance of the Emanators of Aeons.
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Otto see teyvat, yeah its true. But teyvat only the planet not universe. so that doesn't prove that leaves are the size of the universe

I really want to see a scan in HSR that says that a leaf is the size of a universe.
 
I still think 2-A is fine for the while genshin universe stuff and infinite worlds would include genshin sized worlds but eh hsr will prolly contradict this in 5.3
 
Mbpoops said:
I still think 2-A is fine for the while genshin universe stuff and infinite worlds would include genshin sized worlds but eh hsr will prolly contradict this in 5.3
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thats your only solution bcs if hsr deadass nuked branches being timelines im making otto low 2-C because he made universe for kallen bcs thats how hsr makes it sound
 
Furina003 said:
I am truly confused, how can we draw a conclusion that a leaf can be the size of a universe, is there any explicit statement that explains that, or is it merely headcanon from the Genshin and GGZ universes?


Otto see teyvat, yeah its true.
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Thanks for answering your own question.

But anyway bubbles can be the size of universes and they mirror leaves so yh
 
SuperNova55555 said:
How does them being "metaphysical" (whatever that implies) say ANTYHING about the argument. This is a complete non-sequitur
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Because Path Space is clearly incorporeal in your own OP and that they were unaffected by the destruction of the physical plane? You can't have Path Space being incorporeal to not be considered metaphysical when it's unaffected by said destruction.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
thats your only solution bcs if hsr deadass nuked branches being timelines im making otto low 2-C because he made universe for kallen bcs thats how hsr makes it sound
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I explained in the OP that Kallen's branch literally CANNOT exist because Branches and Leaves don't cover the past 😭 😭 😭

Voidnether said:
Because Path Space is clearly incorporeal in your own OP and that they were unaffected by the destruction of the physical plane?
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Sooooo how does this relate to your earlier point? I'm really not following.
 
the fact nothing implies kallen branch is crooked or fragile is what makes hsr so incoherent, theres genuenly nothing that would disqualify otto making a branch unless the arc just doesnt exist, which is why nous statement isnt absolute
 
at the end of the day just combine what is more consistent since we only got one statement by herta and yao about whatever shit they talk about while for rest its repeated over and over and over even by zandar himself
 
SuperNova55555 said:
I explained in the OP that Kallen's branch literally CANNOT exist because Branches and Leaves don't cover the past 😭 😭 😭


Sooooo how does this relate to your earlier point? I'm really not following.
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That Aeons for their true forms scale to the Path Space entirely, and that Aeons avatars are 2-A given Nous wasn't even pruning the future as that'd lead to the branches growing endlessly and the leaves multiplying.

I'm just saying there's an infinite amount of non-fragile branches that exist in the Tree that comes from the result of Erudition forming the fragile branches into becoming a hardened shell that's fused with the trunk, whether as a bough (larger branches) or just branches.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
this unironically makes no sense because he cant just look into planet sized leaf but instead a planet within said leaf which what genshin is dont mix this up bro please
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where does this analogy come from when a leaf is explicitly only as big as a galaxy or star cluster??
 
PedjaTarzan said:
yeah teyvat only planet means what otto saw was only a leaf the size of a planet

YOUR OWN WORDS
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What do you mean? I ask you, how do you know that the universe is a leaf?? while the text in HSR states that it is only a star cluster??
In the Imaginary Tree theory put forward by Zandar One Kuwabara, 1st member of the Genius Society, the universe is filled with the mysterious Imaginary Energy. Imaginary Energy isolates star clusters from each other and even light canot pass through it. Therefore, human space exploration is often limited by the boundaries of their individual worlds, unable to advance any further. Zandar also poses a hypothesis that humans would be able to control the universe if we can control and manipulate Imaginary Energy. It was a romantic illusion for a long time, until it was brought in reality by the appearance of the Emanators of Aeons.
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Furina003 said:
What do you mean? I ask you, how do you know that the universe is a leaf?? while the text in HSR states that it is only a star cluster??
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because the sizes range from solar system to universe
asdana galaxy is leaf world and its millions of light years big, genshin is 93 billion, ggz is 6 trillion
Glamoth is several thousand light years big
Honkai 3rd is either solar via cof barrier or just milky way no one cares abt that
the assumption that leaf worlds are only solar sized is WRONG
 
Mbpoops said:
Or maybe he saw a planet inside a universe sized leaf..? Unless you wanna go with the other option and make genshin 2D
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I don't know why you're showing this, it's not even canon in the Genshin story, because Keqing and Fichl never left the planet.

No, I think it's a galaxy-sized leaf, so the leaf isn't for the entire Genshin universe, but only for the galaxy where the Genshin planet is located.
 
Furina003 said:
I don't know why you're showing this, it's not even canon in the Genshin story, because Keqing and Fichl never left the planet.
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Because genshin is 2 dimensional to the hi3 world
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No, I think it's a galaxy-sized leaf, so the leaf isn't for the entire Genshin universe, but only for the galaxy where the Genshin planet is located.
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Genshin is a galaxy? Saving this for later
 
PedjaTarzan said:
because the sizes range from solar system to universe
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This is what I want to see. Try to provide a scan that shows a leaf the size of the universe.
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asdana galaxy is leaf world and its millions of light years big
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just the size of the galaxy, actually strengthens my previous argument
PedjaTarzan said:
, genshin is 93 billion, ggz is 6 trillion
Glamoth is several thousand light years big
Honkai 3rd is either solar via cof barrier or just milky way no one cares abt that
the assumption that leaf worlds are only solar sized is WRONG
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where does this assumption come from?? when there is a scan from hsr directly if the leaf is only the size of a star cluster
 
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