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Massive TDOS Scaling Changes + Moving Verse To Alts (3/3 Staff & 5 Non-Staff Votes So Far, Currently Working Out Scaling Kinks)

Was this from him absorbing the base objects power in Evil Never Dies, or was this absorbing the powers or Airplane, Cobalt Blue, Cigar & Skully? (Apologies, I havent watched all of the seasons since I put up this thread)

I dont think that absorbing other characters should give specifically an LS modifier. At best it could be "Likely Far Higher" status on all stats :0

It's both combined. Evil Blood Bag, Cobalt Blue, Skull, Airplane, and Cigar, as well as all the objects in "Evil Never Dies" (Evil Blood Bag is killed a second time in Ep 5).
It is currently accepted as a "Likely" rating for LS, since it is just generically absorbing "Power", which is generally associated with strength.

Masked isn't too attached to the rating, but they can see the reasoning behind it. They would personally support a "Possibly" rating.
 
My main problem is that there isnt any close supporting things. While there arent anti-feats, theres very little supporting feats for Evil Blood Bomb being right besides that statement (unless there's more, like I mentioned above). The gap between High 5-A and 4-A is still a stupidly high amount, the gap between just each end of 4-B alone is over 800Bx, the 2 cannot easily be compared. And the only closer feat is High 6-C, comparing that to 4-A values is even harder than comparing a High 5-A feat.
If there are no anti-feats, then you can actually solidly scale them to that tier.
 
It's both combined. Evil Blood Bag, Cobalt Blue, Skull, Airplane, and Cigar, as well as all the objects in "Evil Never Dies" (Evil Blood Bag is killed a second time in Ep 5).
It is currently accepted as a "Likely" rating for LS, since it is just generically absorbing "Power", which is generally associated with strength.

Masked isn't too attached to the rating, but they can see the reasoning behind it. They would personally support a "Possibly" rating.
Possibly ratings would be fine with me, as long as they apply to other stats, not just LS :3

If there are no anti-feats, then you can actually solidly scale them to that tier.
I dont know if one offhand character statement is enough to bump up a verse's tier this high, especially if it isn't a focal point in the show (I missed it on my few rewatches of the show while calculating it).
 
Ok so:

This thread has the required mod votes and a ton of non-mod votes. What imma do now is specify what I'll do with the verse, and if anyone has any objections, they can respond here, because I'm tired of bumping this thread daily lmao:

  • AP: At least High 7-C, possibly Low 7-B, likely High 6-C, possibly 4-A. First three come from the highest tier calcs on the verse page, and the last one being possibly is scaling off the evil blood bomb statement that his strength is equal to the power source.
  • Speed: Immeasurable, same as it is on VSBW. Psychomaster talked about it earlier on in this thread
  • LS: Class M values for base objects and Class M, possibly Class T values for super objects. Both of the Class M values are calculated feats, and the possible rating comes from super objects narritively scaling above water's hydrokinesis (although not being shown to do so).

In addition, Evil Computer will get possible higher values in all stats due to getting a theoretical 32x boost from absorbing the characters in Evil Never Dies.

Dont delete the current vsbw pages yet, though. I want to put up the verse page and make both a Computer and Evil Computer page before anything, just to be safe :3
 
AP: At least High 7-C, possibly Low 7-B, likely High 6-C, possibly 4-A. First three come from the highest tier calcs on the verse page, and the last one being possibly is scaling off the evil blood bomb statement that his strength is equal to the power source.
Like I said, you can solidly scale them to 4-A based on the statement especially since there's no antifeats.

Also, what happened to Cringe Pill's feat? That's valid too.
 
Like I said, you can solidly scale them to 4-A based on the statement especially since there's no antifeats.
It still feels super off to scale an entire verse to 4-A just based off of statement. Are there any vsbw verses that scale the verse based off of a single statement without anti-feats? If there is, then i'd be fine with putting the 4-A AP back up. If not, then keeping the 4-A as a possibility should be a lot more accurate.

As for cringe pill's feat, I talked about it earlier :3
Something I noticed when doing all of the bonus TDOS calcs I did was the fact that nearly all of the strongest feats come from these kinds of "transition scenes". Half of the 4 highest tier feats I have on the WIP verse page are this way. This wouldnt mean anything usually, but in the case of Cringe Pill this does, as the earth suddenly starts/stops rotating as the shot plays, there's no aftermath (unlike in an instance like where Clock spins the earth in "It's Time For The", as there's a ton of effects of said feat happening). If the earth stopped spinning IRL, it would cause a ton of immediate changes.
 
As for the cringe pill feat...something I noticed when doing all of the bonus TDOS calcs I did was the fact that nearly all of the strongest feats come from these kinds of "transition scenes". Half of the 4 highest tier feats I have on the WIP verse page are this way. This wouldnt mean anything usually, but in the case of Cringe Pill this does, as the earth suddenly starts/stops rotating as the shot plays, there's no aftermath (unlike in an instance like where Clock spins the earth in "It's Time For The", as there's a ton of effects of said feat happening). If the earth stopped spinning IRL, it would cause a ton of immediate changes.
...I don't get what you mean by this? The area not being destroyed from the Earth rotating could've just been toon force shenanigans for all we know, but no ordinary person would actually be able to cause the planet to rotate by running unless they were superhuman.
It still feels super off to scale an entire verse to 4-A just based off of statement. Are there any vsbw verses that scale the verse based off of a single statement without anti-feats? If there is, then i'd be fine with putting the 4-A AP back up. If not, then keeping the 4-A as a possibility should be a lot more accurate.
It's a very straightforward one, though? All Evil Blood Bag is saying is that his energy matches that of the power source because he was created by the Evil Cloning Machine which makes him a reliable source, therefore he is as powerful as it. We can upgrade characters based on statements.
 
...I don't get what you mean by this? The area not being destroyed from the Earth rotating could've just been toon force shenanigans for all we know, but no ordinary person would actually be able to cause the planet to rotate by running unless they were superhuman.
Theres still no start up, it goes from the earth not spinning in one shot to spinning in the next and suddenly not in the third. Theres nothing besides Cringe Pill running with the spinning earth that implies that it was he who spun it too :0

It's a very straightforward one, though? All Evil Blood Bag is saying is that his energy matches that of the power source because he was created by the Evil Cloning Machine which makes him a reliable source, therefore he is as powerful as it. We can upgrade characters based on statements.
Thats fair enough then :0

Something still feels off with putting the cast at physical 4-A values given that the closest valid calc to it is High 6-C and the rest of the star feats are via abilities. Would a "likely 4-A" value be alright?
 
Theres still no start up, it goes from the earth not spinning in one shot to spinning in the next and suddenly not in the third. Theres nothing besides Cringe Pill running with the spinning earth that implies that it was he who spun it too :0
I mean, what do you expect from a show whose episodes are made in just a day. You can't expect everything to be animated in time.

How else are you supposed to explain the Earth being spun abnormally fast along with Cringe Pill also running to these locations in seconds then? The Earth does not spin fast like that, so it has to pretty much tie to Cringe Pill running. For reference, the Earth usually spins at ~465 m/s, but its speed while Cringe Pill is running is 12396938.1314 m/s. This is not normal at all, meaning its rotation speed was in fact being affected.
Something still feels off with putting the cast at physical 4-A values given that the closest valid calc to it is High 6-C and the rest of the star feats are via abilities. Would a "likely 4-A" value be alright?
As I've said earlier, Computer's feats of recreating the Rainbow Mountains and Bomb's Minds cape, alongside Cringe Pill rotating the Earth, are enough to act as supporting feats to keep the rating at a solid 4-A rating.
 
I mean, what do you expect from a show whose episodes are made in just a day. You can't expect everything to be animated in time.

How else are you supposed to explain the Earth being spun abnormally fast along with Cringe Pill also running to these locations in seconds then? The Earth does not spin fast like that, so it has to pretty much tie to Cringe Pill running. For reference, the Earth usually spins at ~465 m/s, but its speed while Cringe Pill is running is 12396938.1314 m/s. This is not normal at all, meaning its rotation speed was in fact being affected.
If the earth was spun and stopped, would it not affect the people and structures on it? And again, even if the earth was spinning and nothing being affected was caused by oversight/lack of time, there's no implication (like pushing the earth from the side or anything similar) that implies that Cringe Pill was the one performing the feat besides the fact that he was there when it happened :0

Cringe Pill running to those locations in seconds alongside the earth spinning is likely coincidental. Other characters have casually performed far faster feats (The earth spinning is only the 6th fastest feat in the verse page, and only the 3rd fastest non-FTL feat) :u
 
If the earth was spun and stopped, would it not affect the people and structures on it? And again, even if the earth was spinning and nothing being affected was caused by oversight/lack of time, there's no implication (like pushing the earth from the side or anything similar) that implies that Cringe Pill was the one performing the feat besides the fact that he was there when it happened :0

Cringe Pill running to those locations in seconds alongside the earth spinning is likely coincidental. Other characters have casually performed far faster feats (The earth spinning is only the 6th fastest feat in the verse page, and only the 3rd fastest non-FTL feat) :u
Once again, it being a cartoon and being made in a day simply means that they most likely didn't have the time to actually show the destruction or simply didn't care, but it's still a feat that cannot be ignored due to the fact that the Earth does not spin that fast, meaning that Cringe Pill was indeed the sole source in making the Earth spin faster. It being "coincidental" that the Earth was spinning fast when Cringe Pill was running is not a good argument as by that logic, you would quite literally be downgrading a lot of verses where they have feats involving a celestial body being spun through moving around the Earth fast.

What do these faster feats even have anything to do with Cringe Pill's feat?
 
What do these faster feats even have anything to do with Cringe Pill's feat?
It was to say that the earth wouldn't need to spin in order for Cringe Pill to run around the world since other characters have performed faster feats :0

Once again, it being a cartoon and being made in a day simply means that they most likely didn't have the time to actually show the destruction or simply didn't care, but it's still a feat that cannot be ignored due to the fact that the Earth does not spin that fast, meaning that Cringe Pill was indeed the sole source in making the Earth spin faster. It being "coincidental" that the Earth was spinning fast when Cringe Pill was running is not a good argument as by that logic, you would quite literally be downgrading a lot of verses where they have feats involving a celestial body being spun through moving around the Earth fast.
There was no aftermath at all, there's no start up and there's absolutely no pushing of the earth showing that he did it. Other verses with celestial body feats have showings that characters did the feat, him being there is the only proof :u
 
It was to say that the earth wouldn't need to spin in order for Cringe Pill to run around the world since other characters have performed faster feats :0
...I still don't get what you're trying to prove here, honestly. What do characters having faster feats than Cringe Pill's feat even have to do with the rotation KE not being valid? At this point, this is just a bad argument and you may as well cut it out.
There was no aftermath at all, there's no start up and there's absolutely no pushing of the earth showing that he did it. Other verses with celestial body feats have showings that characters did the feat, him being there is the only proof :u
Sorry to say this mate, but I've literally explained to you already as to why this is still legit, and at this point you're just stonewalling even when I gave a good explanation to you as to why it's still valid. You just keep repeating the same exact argument over and over even after I explained why this doesn't work. All you're doing now is just stonewalling yourself in such an eager and desperate attempt to downgrade the series.
How else are you supposed to explain the Earth being spun abnormally fast along with Cringe Pill also running to these locations in seconds then? The Earth does not spin fast like that, so it has to pretty much tie to Cringe Pill running. For reference, the Earth usually spins at ~465 m/s, but its speed while Cringe Pill is running is 12396938.1314 m/s. This is not normal at all, meaning its rotation speed was in fact being affected.
...I don't get what you mean by this? The area not being destroyed from the Earth rotating could've just been toon force shenanigans for all we know, but no ordinary person would actually be able to cause the planet to rotate by running unless they were superhuman.
 
...I still don't get what you're trying to prove here, honestly. What do characters having faster feats than Cringe Pill's feat even have to do with the rotation KE not being valid? At this point, this is just a bad argument and you may as well cut it out.

Sorry to say this mate, but I've literally explained to you already as to why this is still legit, and at this point you're just stonewalling even when I gave a good explanation to you as to why it's still valid. You just keep repeating the same exact argument over and over even after I explained why this doesn't work. All you're doing now is just stonewalling yourself in such an eager and desperate attempt to downgrade the series.
You don't have to do all of the insults, that shit hurts man >:/

I guess the toon force argument could work. I'm still hesitant to do 4-A cast scaling, it seems super out of place in terms of AP scaling consistency. Usually when a show's cast scales to specific AP value there's at least another feat in its overarching tier. II has 2 tier 7 feats that are both in megaton values, One has some fairly consistent 9-C and low-level 9-B scaling & BFDI has a bunch of consistent tier 4 stuff back when it was in tier 4 (and even now at 2-C there's plenty of explanations of why the cast is at that level physically). Meanwhile TDOS jumps from a High 6-C feat being 3rd strongest, a High 5-A feat being 2nd strongest and a 4-A feat being the strongest. Even then, the only time its implied to be physically 4-A is when Evil Blood Bomb makes a statement about him being equal to the evil cloning machine power source, the rest of the 4-A feats come from prep time (via Computer being implied to have made the room with bomb's mindscape) or harnessing the evil cloning machine power source's power itself :u
 
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