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Chaotic Honkai Verse Upgrade (1-A & L1-A)

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i dont remember anything that says cof is even in imaginary space, i mean the page itself just says that it operates on its confines but theres no direct scan that says that + those are alr nuked, on top of that the wiki just says its “unknown imaginary space” but thats about it no scan nor ref supports that meanwhile game tells us it transcends dimensions its origin of space and transcends space and time where everything below cocoon cannot even interact so its up to hoyo to not fumble this (they will)
This is the best thing we've got for it.

Namely 1:42:34. - 'The Cocoon of Finality is the only Imaginary Singularity'

And Eins states (found this on the cosmology page under the CoF)

'Because an Imaginary Singularity at the core of a Herrscher is already a fixed point in the imaginary space'
 
It emerged from Imaginary Space. It’s js that IT (& IS) and SoQ happen to be the only two relevant entities in the universe
GGZ, HSR (see concepts tab) and Hi3 (The Tree emerged from an endless sea of unfathomable depths and boundaries) says primordial chaos, unfathomable depths, etc. Not sure where it says Imaginary Space, also fits with the idea of the tree drinking from the sea.

But I'm gonna level with you for a second, I really think it doesn't matter where the tree came from: It's inconsequential at this point. IDK why people think the Imaginary Space but I don't even wanna debate about it cause it doesn't matter for a second. I also think if it came from the SoQ it doesn't mean Imaginary space is superior to the tree, maybe it's just the place it grew into, idk.

Either way it doesn't matter.
 
We literally just spend over 10 pages going extensively on why this can’t be the case bruv.
Because the game just wants to say that IS is higher than tree while also being part of Tree, i mean you do know the scan for 4D spacetime being real space and then everything outside being IS, this is the case here, they gaslighting us into thinking IS=IT while also saying IS>IT.
All im seeing is that IT is IS and 4D space being the "Tree" while SoQ is Ether Bathtub + Bubbles.
It emerged from Imaginary Space. It’s js that IT (& IS) and SoQ happen to be the only two relevant entities in the universe
guess im gonna stick with low 1-C cof for now
 
Because the game just wants to say that IS is higher than tree while also being part of Tree, i mean you do know the scan for 4D spacetime being real space and then everything outside being IS, this is the case here, they gaslighting us into thinking IS=IT while also saying IS>IT.
All im seeing is that IT is IS and 4D space being the "Tree" while SoQ is Ether Bathtub + Bubbles.

guess im gonna stick with low 1-C cof for now
I don't recall the game ever implying or stating IS>IT.
 
GGZ, HSR (see concepts tab) and Hi3 (The Tree emerged from an endless sea of unfathomable depths and boundaries) says primordial chaos, unfathomable depths, etc. Not sure where it says Imaginary Space, also fits with the idea of the tree drinking from the sea.
Here. The previous scans also say IS is where “the roots are formed” or whatever.

Because the game just wants to say that IS is higher than tree while also being part of Tree, i mean you do know the scan for 4D spacetime being real space and then everything outside being IS, this is the case here, they gaslighting us into thinking IS=IT while also saying IS>IT.
All im seeing is that IT is IS and 4D space being the "Tree" while SoQ is Ether Bathtub + Bubbles
The “imaginary domains” outside leaves are Imaginary Subspaces, whilst the Imaginary Space in which IT is located in is the one where Durandal was in.
 
Here. The previous scans also say IS is where “the roots are formed” or whatever.


The “imaginary domains” outside leaves are Imaginary Subspaces, whilst the Imaginary Space in which IT is located in is the one where Durandal was in.
so like IS is also outside the tree then? that still tells you that hoyo wants to make IS just a realm above 4D spacetime of the tree, and also above all those img subspaces.
 
Here. The previous scans also say IS is where “the roots are formed” or whatever.
Then this is legitimately a case of the game being inconsistent around where the tree came from, unless it means it grew from the SoQ into Imaginary Space and formed its roots there and into the sea or some garbage.

Regardless I don't think it matters.
 
Ok so I can’t find the blacked-out parts (which talk about IS being the origin of the universe itself) but the Durandal stuff does say that the Imaginary Tree was where the laws and shit came into being from sooo uuuhhh lets just delete the verse
You would have to find raw that still says its Tree, since Ch 25 EX says its Space. preferably find raws for ch 25 EX too
 
You would have to find raw that still says its Tree, since Ch 25 EX says its Space. preferably find raws for ch 25 EX too
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It says Tree, so yea, IT and IS are nigh-interchangeable.
 
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It says Tree, so yea, IT and IS are nigh-interchangeable.
This explains why otto calls tree and soq higher D realms than 4D spacetime (real space)
and this means CoF is low 1-C if “point in img space” is just their location
but it can be argued higher via mental gymnastics that this “point in img space” is the origin of space given its transcedental nature over space and time (IS still has time) and dimensions making that specific point/singularity>IS=Tree=SoQ>Real space
 
Yeah.
This explains why otto calls tree and soq higher D realms than 4D spacetime (real space)
and this means CoF is low 1-C if “point in img space” is just their location
but it can be argued higher via mental gymnastics that this “point in img space” is the origin of space given its transcedental nature over space and time (IS still has time) and dimensions making that specific point/singularity>IS=Tree=SoQ>Real space
I agree.

Can't wait for 1-A Cocoon!!!
But yeah Imaginary Space and Tree aren't nigh interchangeable there's some situations where distinguishing between the two is important but I'll also agree the two are equal in dimensionality and sometimes are interchangeable. It's weird.
 
Now try and factor in HSR in all of this 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

IT for them is genuinely js real space
it only affects the real space part, IS is untouched as long as they dont explicitly mention it. Path space is as mysterious as it can get, but id doesnt get higher than just a realm outside 4D spacetime
I just wanna use mental gymnastic and turn img singularity as the low 1-A point in IS trough being origin of space and dimensions FAHHH
 
it only affects the real space part, IS is untouched as long as they dont explicitly mention it. Path space is as mysterious as it can get, but id doesnt get higher than just a realm outside 4D spacetime
I just wanna use mental gymnastic and turn img singularity as the low 1-A point in IS trough being origin of space and dimensions FAHHH
I feel like there's R>F arguments through the cocoon literally being the narrator when Kiana first meets with the Cocoon. Also all the 'cocoon transcends time and space' and whatnot.

Also it upscaling from the Tree and Imaginary Space and I feel like there's blatant arguments to get them back to 11D and the cocoon upscales that.

Hi3 can easily go higher lol.
 
I feel like there's R>F arguments through the cocoon literally being the narrator when Kiana first meets with the Cocoon. Also all the 'cocoon transcends time and space' and whatnot.

Also it upscaling from the Tree and Imaginary Space and I feel like there's blatant arguments to get them back to 11D and the cocoon upscales that.

Hi3 can easily go higher lol.
Let us…conclude whatever is proposed here first kay? also being narrator isnt rly an r>f stuff but the fact you literally cannot interact with cof in any way unless they allow it is an okay support but, it takes MUCH more than this
 
This has been running for 12 pages, if I may ask what agreement has been reached, is L1A acceptable?
 
Let us…conclude whatever is proposed here first kay? also being narrator isnt rly an r>f stuff but the fact you literally cannot interact with cof in any way unless they allow it is an okay support but, it takes MUCH more than this
Valid, but I'm pretty sure this threat needs concluding as is lmao. Most supporters have concluded that we don't have enough definite evidence to actually support the original post via Su's statements being unreliable (we don't know where he ends up), the SoQ and primordial sea not necessarily matching up, etc.
 
There are scans in part 1.5 of HI3rd where Cocoon of Finality is getting washed up by the SoQ tsunami lol
 
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Chapter 39, Daughter of the Sea Act 2.

Yeah, CoF ain't above the SoQ, kek
 
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Chapter 39, Daughter of the Sea Act 2.

Yeah, CoF ain't above the SoQ, kek
i think the abyss is refering to the honkai not the cocoon. and even then venus got destroyed by the honkai so this doesnt even matter
 
i think the abyss is refering to the honkai not the cocoon. and even then venus got destroyed by the honkai so this doesnt even matter
Abyss also include the Cocoon considering Seele also add the Cocoon of Finality in her dialogue. But the fact the SoQ can wash up the cocoon is still anti-feat for CoF superiority.
 
Abyss also include the Cocoon considering Seele also add the Cocoon of Finality in her dialogue. But the fact the SoQ can wash up the cocoon is still anti-feat for CoF superiority.
she included the cocoon because the cocoon controls the honkai. the tsunami whiped out he honkai enemies but also nearly all life on venus leaving vita the only survivor and the cocoon got bored of venus and left the tsunami did NOT wash away the cocoon it literally just got bored with venus
 
Here's my summary

Premise
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Imaginary space was originally L1-A accepted as per this thread
But it was later downgraded due to the misconception of Imaginary tree growing through 11D sea of quanta in this thread.

Current thread
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I have proved that imaginary tree growing through sea of quanta is actually a localization error.

En localized scan that caused the downgrade
"The Tree emerged from an endless Sea of unfathomable depths and boundaries."
original CN scan
“在树下, 是一片广袤的海, 它的深度无法探测, 它的边界不可触及”
Beneath the tree lies a vast sea, its depths immeasurable, its boundaries beyond reach.
Anyone can clearly see that this is a misunderstanding. So we now know that the imaginary tree doesn't grow through 11D sea of quanta. But how is that makes Imaginary space L 1A, you might ask. This is a bit confusing since the terms are loosely used in different contexts.
The Imaginary Tree has two parts. One is real space where MWI happens and the other is imaginary space.
Imaginary sigularity exists in imaginary space as a fixed point, dimensionless and existing in all dimensions. This is what was argued in L1-A upgrade thread.
Since the tree no longer grew through 11D SoQ, downgrade thread becomes invalid and making imaginary space L1-A again.

What're the current problems discussed here?
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1. Imaginary space is delimited to 11D if it's inside the tree and the tree is in rivalry with the sea.
Ans : As I've explained here, the tree's rivalry with the sea is about the process of leaf worlds falling into the sea and it's happening on real space level without including the imaginary space. Heck, the whole goal of project stigmata is to elavate humanity into imaginary space so that honkai won't destroy us.

2. Chaos is framed into space time
Ans : The text here literally said "Unconstrained by space-time". (But we are waiting TL request to be done to get better conclusion)
Now, use it to create your world, unconstrained by time and space, eternally independent world.

You guys can tell me to list more problems if I didn't address them but that's all I can think so far.

Current mods' evaluation:
@Reiner04 seems to agree with 1-A yog sothoth and waiting the consensus to be reached about Low 1-A matter.
@Vietthai96 doesn't say anything about 1-A yog sothoth but seems to disagree with Low 1-A.
 
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