Chaotic Honkai Verse Upgrade (1-A & L1-A)

[KirbyFan03]

kiana > aeons???? 1.3 seconds im in!

Yep! Plus goku victims

 

[KirbyFan03]

If the Chaotic spacetime thing is true then Aeons would be like... 4D?

 

[KirbyFan03]

If the Chaotic spacetime thing is true then Aeons would be like... 4D?

Since they have been described as higher dimensional beings before

 

[Weaver261]

Aren't godheads > Aeons?

Just because they came from different space times, doesn't mean they are limited to these space times. For example, Thanatos can literally kill Zeus who absorbed all concepts from gods. Also I've never said in this thread that godheads > aeons. They are in similar levels.

kiana > aeons???? 1.3 seconds im in!

Guys I really wish you guys to stop spamming nonsense stuffs in this thread. If you want to do useless banters like this, go to discussion thread please.


Edited - Also @KirbyFan03 , stop populating the threads with small replies. If you want to say something, group them in one reply.

 

[Mbpoops]

Guys I really wish you guys to stop spamming nonsense stuffs in this thread. If you want to do useless banters like this, go to discussion thread please.

My bad just funny.

Anyway going by the translatipn they just exist in their own chaotic spacetime not a debunk or anything just clearing that up

 

[KirbyFan03]

Just because they came from different space times, doesn't mean they are limited to these space times. For example, Thanatos can literally kill Zeus who absorbed all concepts from gods. Also I've never said in this thread that godheads > aeons. They are in similar levels.


Guys I really wish you guys to stop spamming nonsense stuffs in this thread. If you want to do useless banters like this, go to discussion thread please.


Edited - Also @KirbyFan03 , stop populating the threads with small replies. If you want to say something, group them in one reply.

Fair enough, personally I'm just agenda posting since everyone's nuking hoyoverse and I'm a sheep

 

[Hjdjdhf]

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[KingOfDarknessBelow]

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[Mbpoops]

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[PedjaTarzan]

summary pls QwQ

 

[Mbpoops]

If u are confused, u can just ask me in discord yk? All of this should be basic knowledge for any Honkai verse supporters. I never said imaginary tree doesn't exist. I am only saying that according to the scans, imaginary tree is not a literal tree but just an analogy of how the universe works.

My argument is fairly simple. L1-A downgrade relied on imaginary space being part of the tree and the tree being born through 11D sea. I am trying to prove that the tree doesn't grow through the sea but rather the primordial chaos which exists above the sea. So, L1-A imaginary space isn't bounded by 11D bulk this should get L1-A back
Imaginary space being primordial chaos just my theory and assumption based on their similar traits. I am not using that here.

Op side (should prolly write a summary)

 

[Mbpoops]

Both sides need to write one tbh

 

[SuperNova55555]

Both sides need to write one tbh

I'm kinda js waiting on the TL request to be answered for the Yog scan, since my major points havent changed since my first message on this thread, and whether or not SoQ is GGZ Chaos doesnt change that either.

The only thing ig is whether or not SoQ is part of Real Space, which the scan I originally posted might contradict in-game proof. Since we know that Imaginary Space is called the "realm of the Imaginary Tree":

Nagamitsu: Your current location is still under the influence of the Sea of Quanta. If you go any further, you’ll be completely within the realm of the Imaginary Tree.

And it's influence is juxtaposed to that of SoQ. If SoQ in its entirety is in fact = Imaginary Space then IS is delimited to SoQ, which is 11D (as the VN statements refer to the universe as a whole, or at the very least SoQ is explicitly dimensional since bubble worlds inherit dimensions from it), whereas if IS > SoQ (going it by it being "deeper" than SoQ), then it contradicts the earlier statement since SoQ has to be completely disjointed from IS.

And since IS is also the origin of the universe and all laws, then it'd also has to be the origin of SoQ:

Here in the Sea of Quanta, there are no rules, no boundaries, and no limitations.
It has existed since the creation of the universe, but most of the time, it was just as barren as when the universe was created.

^ Since it's also part of the universe.

Which means it's incoherent for SoQ to be disjointed from IS. Basically what I'm saying is that IS being the "realm of the Imaginary Tree" is an incredibly weird statement, which would contradict what should be derived from the Imaginary Space's status.

So that kinda js leaves us with 2 possibilities:
1) Have IS > SoQ (and consequently GGZ's chaos) = IT

or

2) Have SoQ = IS (and arbitrarily IT as well) > Real Space

As said, both of these statements are inconsistent but whatever, this is Hoyoverse. Nevertheless, if the former is chosen, then GGZ stuff can't hold up at all since Chaos would be delimited, whereas if the latter is chosen, then you can js refer to the anti-feats (dimensionality + framed within Space-Time, which we're waiting for proper TLs as said)

 

[Mbpoops]

So that kinda js leaves us with 2 possibilities:
1) Have IS > SoQ (and consequently GGZ's chaos) = IT

im also inclined to believing this. we also have the scan of the cocoon of finality existing above any known dimension which we know is imaginary space and this would put it above the SoQ/tree (and also the GGZ chaos ig?).

 

[SuperNova55555]

existing above any known

This scan also juxtaposes SoQ to IS though...

 

[Mbpoops]

This scan also juxtaposes SoQ to IS though...

how? all it says is that herrschers from the SoQ can reach the cocoon. we already know Sa is 1/10th of the CoF's power

 

[PedjaTarzan]

what scan even implies soq=IS

 

[SuperNova55555]

how? all it says is that herrschers from the SoQ can reach the cocoon. we already know Sa is 1/10th of the CoF's power

Because it’s literally telling you that both are outside the “proper world”. And it then directly namedrops Cocoon and SoQ. Unless I’m missing some important context, I’m not sure how this isn’t giving them some sort of an equivalent status.

 

[Mbpoops]

Because it’s literally telling you that both are outside the “proper world”. And it then directly namedrops Cocoon and SoQ. Unless I’m missing some important context, I’m not sure how this isn’t giving them some sort of an equivalent status.

nothing there says they juxapose eachother. two cosmological structures can exist outside of reality and not be related at all. it name drops the SoQ because SoQ herrschers arent apart of "finality" (seele and Sa) and Sa is 1/10th of the CoF's power

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Because it’s literally telling you that both are outside the “proper world”. And it then directly namedrops Cocoon and SoQ. Unless I’m missing some important context, I’m not sure how this isn’t giving them some sort of an equivalent status.

It was about specific bubble world that was about to get f*cked over and schrodinger compared it to durandal feat (i forgot what it was) and it required to transcend all dimensions (CoF) or to have herrscher be born in sea of quanta (seele) so i dont think it says that SoQ is = IS

 

[PedjaTarzan]

nothing there says they juxapose eachother. two cosmological structures can exist outside of reality and not be related at all. it name drops the SoQ because SoQ herrschers arent apart of "finality" (seele and Sa) and Sa is 1/10th of the CoF's power

“1/10th” of CoF power
Gets one shot by Kianas bullet finger
like schrodinger should stop powerscaling characters bcs why are you saying shes 1/10th of cof just to be one shot by its own goon (herrscher of finality)

 

[SuperNova55555]

two cosmological structures can exist outside of reality and not be related at all.

It's js sounds so weird because the way it is to be interpreted is that IT is equal to SoQ and IS is above IT but somehow not above SoQ

 

[Mbpoops]

“1/10th” of CoF power
Gets one shot by Kianas bullet finger

well kiana fused with the cocoon so this isnt surprising

like schrodinger should stop powerscaling characters bcs why are you saying shes 1/10th of cof just to be one shot by its own goon (herrscher of finality)

schrodinger the same person who got high diffed by einstein

 

[PlungingThroughTime]

+ Hua alone in Garuda was kinda throwing hands with Sa so honestly Schrodinger in lore is just highballing smh.

It's js sounds so weird because the way it is to be interpreted is that IT is equal to SoQ and IS is above IT but somehow not above SoQ

Oh boy, if only the game stated verbatim that the I.T. and SoQ are equal and that the cocoon exists in an Imaginary Space superior to the tree! If only we actually went there and it was revealed the Cocoon was the narrator all along!
Maybe this all implies that the Imaginary Space of the Tree IS superior to the SoQ!!

Not going to deepdive into all the different imaginary spaces and how they're just a broad term for a space that exists outside 4D reality.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Oh boy, if only the game stated verbatim that the I.T. and SoQ are equal and that the cocoon exists in an Imaginary Space superior to the tree! If only we actually went there and it was revealed the Cocoon was the narrator all along!
Maybe this all implies that the Imaginary Space of the Tree IS superior to the SoQ!!

I literally laid out the issue of how Imaginary Space is explicitly called the "realm of the Imaginary Tree". Even the CN specifies the Tree here. That'd be such an incredibly odd choice of words if you believe that IS somehow encompasses SoQ. Which is why I'm saying that if IS doesn't encompass SoQ, that'd be js an incredibly awkward arrangement of things.

Not going to deepdive into all the different imaginary spaces and how they're just a broad term for a space that exists outside 4D reality.

I've literally already been talking about this issue the entire thread, but I'm not sure how it factors in to this point.

 

[KirbyFan03]

“1/10th” of CoF power
Gets one shot by Kianas bullet finger
like schrodinger should stop powerscaling characters bcs why are you saying shes 1/10th of cof just to be one shot by its own goon (herrscher of finality)

How can something be outer if 1/10th of its power can be attained?

From what I understand Outer is indivisible and can't be reached by numbers/infinity stacking

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I literally laid out the issue of how Imaginary Space is explicitly called the "realm of the Imaginary Tree".

The tl you sent didnt even mention IS at all, the cn says that if you go further into soq you will enter the realm of IT, which just literally means u entered IT wtf?

Even the CN specifies the Tree here. That'd be such an incredibly odd choice of words if you believe that IS somehow encompasses SoQ. Which is why I'm saying that if IS doesn't encompass SoQ, that'd be js an incredibly awkward arrangement of things.


I've literally already been talking about this issue the entire thread, but I'm not sure how it factors in to this point.

Send hoyo to dagestan 2/3 years and forget

How can something be outer if 1/10th of its power can be attained?

From what I understand Outer is indivisible and can't be reached by numbers/infinity stacking

just dont argue its outer then .
Anyway i just dont find schrodinger and prometheus statement about Sa accurate, she literally got one shot by 3D being (Kiana).
But this doesnt matter as CoF with all its statement is just Low 1-A so this kind of shit isnt even problem if you ask me

 

[SuperNova55555]

The tl you sent didnt even mention IS at all, the cn says that if you go further into soq you will enter the realm of IT, which just literally means u entered IT wtf?

Weaver is literally the one who originally posted the scan in the context of IS

When durandal went further, where did she reach? Imaginary space

 

[Mbpoops]

How can something be outer if 1/10th of its power can be attained?

From what I understand Outer is indivisible and can't be reached by numbers/infinity stacking

who said anything about outer?

 

[Mbpoops]

Weaver is literally the one who originally posted the scan in the context of IS

son...

 

[KirbyFan03]

who said anything about outer?

Wasn't it rated as outer the other time before it got debunked? I'm fine with some anti feats here and there but I think being in a numerical position to a supposed outer structure doesn't make it outer anymore

As that's... a big anti feat

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Weaver is literally the one who originally posted the scan in the context of IS

okay i remember now, i guess hi3 just sees IS and Tree as one realm for whatever reason. its like they wrote that tree is the realm that holds 4D universe and then have the space from which universe originated aka imaginary space. i dont like this bcs both soq tree and honkai itself originated from this, and it also has cocoon who is imaginary singularity and origin of space which is crazy with what level of incoherency they write this verse.
i still hold up this quote

Send hoyo to dagestan 2/3 years and forget

 

[SuperNova55555]

okay i remember now, i guess hi3 just sees IS and Tree as one realm for whatever reason. its like they wrote that tree is the realm that holds 4D universe and then have the space from which universe originated aka imaginary space. i dont like this bcs both soq tree and honkai itself originated from this, and it also has cocoon who is imaginary singularity and origin of space which is crazy with what level of incoherency they write this verse.
i still hold up this quote

That's sorta the issue now because if you want the IS scaling to even remotely have a chance for anything higher than Low 1-C, you js kinda have to somehow pre-suppose that every time it says the Tree is in a rivalry with SoQ, you're implicitly excluding IS for some reason.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

So... what is the consensus so far?

 

[SuperNova55555]

So... what is the consensus so far?

Hoyo writers are braindead

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Hoyo writers are braindead

And gooners

 

[Mbpoops]

And gooners

they made durandal and rita tho so i cant hate

 

[Hecky2222]

And gooners

Based guys

 

[Weaver261]

That's sorta the issue now because if you want the IS scaling to even remotely have a chance for anything higher than Low 1-C, you js kinda have to somehow pre-suppose that every time it says the Tree is in a rivalry with SoQ, you're implicitly excluding IS for some reason.

Well that's literally what the whole Rivalry thing. Imaginary tree in rivalry with SoQ means that the leaf worlds on the tree are absorbed into the sea when they fell. Otto dialogue about the tree wanting to absorb the sea and the sea wanting to drown the tree is obviously flowery language to describe this. So it makes sense for 11D Tree and to be in rivalry with 11D sea without including L1-A Imaginary space.

“Every branch is a form of civilisation. Every bud is their past and present etched onto the dimension of time.”

“But growth is countered by a force - a selective and corrective system in the Tree’s rivalry against the Sea.”

“A natural system based upon the Imaginary mechanics. It breeds, nurtures, tests, and removes.”

“This is what humanity describes as the Honkai.”

“Indeed. Humanity will never escape the Honkai.”

“We must press forward because the Tree must grow. Those who fail become wilted shadows in the Sea of Quanta.”

 

[SuperNova55555]

Well that's literally what the whole Rivalry thing. Imaginary tree in rivalry with SoQ means that the leaf worlds on the tree are absorbed into the sea when they fell. Otto dialogue about the tree wanting to absorb the sea and the sea wanting to drown the tree is obviously flowery language to describe this. So it makes sense for 11D Tree and to be in rivalry with 11D sea without including L1-A Imaginary space.

This doesn't address the problem here...