Honkai — Abyssal Energy Manipulation

[Mbpoops]

further explanation will not prove anything,
Now try to show me the destruction of the Honkai universe caused by Abyss

I dont have to because welt blocked off the soq from reality lmao. And again just because they werent destroyed doesnt mean they are completely different

 

[Furina003]

I dont have to because welt blocked off the soq from reality lmao. And again just because they werent destroyed doesnt mean they are completely different

Instead of refuting it, you're reinforcing the contradiction itself. The universe in Genshin is completely destroyed, so is HSR set in a universe created by the Primordial One? If so, this would elevate the Phanes, the Surtalogy, and the Nibelungs above the Aeons.

 

[Furina003]

I hope you know this kills your entire argument

Well it hasnt. Because welt blocked off the soq from their reality (another goat welt W.) mars is still affected by it but thats a different topic

This doesnt debunk anything

Again this doesnt debunk anything. Imaginary space doesnt destroy the hi3 or hsr world so why should we assume they use the same imaginary space? See how you logic falls apart?

What

What contradiction lol

as i said before, instead of making it make sense, you're just making the contradiction even stronger, which we can assume is what welt did was the same as what alice did, holding abyss back. which means the background of cwrota hsr is still inside phanes' egg shell hahaha

 

[Mbpoops]

Instead of refuting it, you're reinforcing the contradiction itself. The universe in Genshin is completely destroyed, so is HSR set in a universe created by the Primordial One? If so, this would elevate the Phanes, the Surtalogy, and the Nibelungs above the Aeons.

We know genshin is a leaf world on the tree while hsr treats the tree as their universe (they can freely travel across leaf worlds on the tree) and leaf worlds are separated by imaginary barriers. One leaf world can fall off the tree into the soq and other leaves wont be affected this is consistant with the cosmology

 

[Mbpoops]

You genuienly just dont understand how the cosmology works

as i said before, instead of making it make sense, you're just making the contradiction even stronger, which we can assume is what welt did was the same as what alice did, holding abyss back. which means the background of cwrota hsr is still inside phanes' egg shell hahaha

 

[SuperNova55555]

There are functionally zero contradictions if genshin just takes place during the dusk wars btw.

Even it js being a big leaf wouldnt have as many contradictions either

 

[Mbpoops]

Even it js being a big leaf wouldnt have as many contradictions either

Which is what ive been saying lol

 

[Furina003]

We know genshin is a leaf world on the tree while hsr treats the tree as their universe (they can freely travel across leaf worlds on the tree) and leaf worlds are separated by imaginary barriers. One leaf world can fall off the tree into the soq and other leaves wont be affected this is consistant with the cosmology

there is no statement that genshin is just a leaf, because no leaf is as big as the universe, if you admit that the abyss/void realm is soq, then you also have to admit that the human realm is IT, because these 2 realms are in conflict with each other from the start as explained in hi3 that soq and it want to defeat each other. your argument is really weak, i admit your knowledge of hsr is good, but you ignore the perspective of genshin cosmology.

And one more thing, we need to upgrade the hexenzirkel to the same level as the emanator, because hexenzirkel like Octavia and Alice can travel between worlds separated by an imaginary barrier. This can only be done by emanator-level powers, right?

Oh yeah, they don't need to take the train

 

[Mbpoops]

there is no statement that genshin is just a leaf, because no leaf is as big as the universe,

Leaf worlds are akin to bubbles which can be up to the size of a universe bruh. Theres no need for a direct statement saying this because again otto looked into different realities and saw dvalin which itself would confirm genshin is a leaf on the tree

if you admit that the abyss/void realm is soq, then you also have to admit that the human realm is IT,

No. The human realm is a leaf on the IT

because these 2 realms are in conflict with each other from the start as explained in hi3 that soq and it want to defeat each other. your argument is really weak, i admit your knowledge of hsr is good, but you ignore the perspective of genshin cosmology.

The tree is a higher dimensional concept compared to it’s real space so this doesnt contradict anything

And one more thing, we need to upgrade the hexenzirkel to the same level as the emanator,

Emanator level doesnt exist yet ill try and work on separsting hax based on pathstrider, emanator, and aeon

because hexenzirkel like Octavia and Alice can travel between worlds separated by an imaginary barrier. This can only be done by emanator-level powers, right?

No anyone can do this i mean welt and void archives did it

Oh yeah, they don't need to take the train

March:

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Emanator level doesnt exist yet ill try and work on separsting hax based on pathstrider, emanator, and aeon

No anyone can do this i mean welt and void archives did it

March:

It does but Emanators are all frauds

Welt is HIM


March is a Fraud Emanator

Jokes aside don’t most people get around using the Silver Rail?

 

[Furina003]

Leaf worlds are akin to bubbles which can be up to the size of a universe bruh. Theres no need for a direct statement saying this because again otto looked into different realities and saw dvalin which itself would confirm genshin is a leaf on the tree

Otto saw Dvalin because their planet is in IT, but the Genshin world isn't just Teyvat.
You can see how the Genshin universe works, with the Surtalogi exploring various worlds, and Octavia being confirmed as an intergalactic explorer.

So, if you want to consider Soq the Abyss/Void Realm, you also have to consider the true universe as IT.

There's no such thing as a leaf being as big as the universe; it's only as big as a galaxy.

No. The human realm is a leaf on the IT

give me the scene

The tree is a higher dimensional concept compared to it’s real space so this doesnt contradict anything

Emanator level doesnt exist yet ill try and work on separsting hax based on pathstrider, emanator, and aeon

Yeah, surtalogi is also said to have the power to challenge higher dimensions, which is why he can move worlds. Octavia also does the same thing.

No anyone can do this i mean welt and void archives did it

octavia, alice and surtalogi have already done it

March:

??

 

[Mbpoops]

Otto saw Dvalin because their planet is in IT, but the Genshin world isn't just Teyvat.
You can see how the Genshin universe works, with the Surtalogi exploring various worlds, and Octavia being confirmed as an intergalactic explorer.

Which again just exists as a leaf world just a really bug leaf world

So, if you want to consider Soq the Abyss/Void Realm, you also have to consider the true universe as IT.

Or the true universe us just a leaf world

There's no such thing as a leaf being as big as the universe; it's only as big as a galaxy.

Chapter 32:

give me the scene

The fact the ggz world is trillions of light years in size and still exists as a leaf world

Yeah, surtalogi is also said to have the power to challenge higher dimensions, which is why he can move worlds. Octavia also does the same thing.

Again im fine with this as long as its consistant lol

octavia, alice and surtalogi have already done it

They just have dimensional travel then

??

March is an emanator yet she needs the trail to travel between leaf worlds

 

[Furina003]

Which again just exists as a leaf world just a really bug leaf world

yeah, teyvat is the leaf world, but not the whole universe

Or the true universe us just a leaf world

Chapter 32:

The fact the ggz world is trillions of light years in size and still exists as a leaf world

Again im fine with this as long as its consistant lol

ggz universe is IT, so that just reinforces what i said before

They just have dimensional travel then

there is no such scene

March is an emanator yet she needs the trail to travel between leaf worlds

yeah, that means surtalogi, alice and octavia, are above march level

 

[Mbpoops]

yeah, teyvat is the leaf world, but not the whole universe

The whole universe would be a leaf world

ggz universe is IT, so that just reinforces what i said before

No the hsr “universe” is the IT’s real space

there is no such scene

What?

yeah, that means surtalogi, alice and octavia, are above march level

Fine by me highschooler victim

 

[Furina003]

The whole universe would be a leaf world

oh no the universe is IT. so you want to consider the universe hsr also a leaf??

No the hsr “universe” is the IT’s real space

What?

they can penetrate the imaginary barrier

Fine by me highschooler victim

??

 

[Mbpoops]

oh no the universe is IT. so you want to consider the universe hsr also a leaf??

The “universe” is only the real space of the tree in relation to hsr the world of ggz is only a leaf world and it is trillions of light years in size. Genshin also follows this, the universe of genshin is only a leaf

they can penetrate the imaginary barrier

This is just dimensional travel

??

March got high diffed by highschoolers

 

[Furina003]

The “universe” is only the real space of the tree in relation to hsr the world of ggz is only a leaf world and it is trillions of light years in size. Genshin also follows this, the universe of genshin is only a leaf

Yes, so does Genshin, which means that the Genshin universe is a real world in the IT. At the base of the Tree IT it's just an analogy used to reflect a universe. yeah from this statement i understand a little that no character is able to reach the imaginary tree level.

This is just dimensional travel

yeah they broke through the imaginary barrier

 

[Vietthai96]

It is freaking 8 pages. Delete the verse i say

 

[Bahaha]

The Genshin universe could just be a leaf world fallen off from the tree and consumed by the sea of quanta. If not fallen off, Sea of Quanta still has the ability to corrupt real space and leaf worlds. That would make the contradictions mute.

 

[SuperNova55555]

The Genshin universe could just be a leaf world fallen off from the tree and consumed by the sea of quanta. If not fallen off, Sea of Quanta still has the ability to corrupt real space and leaf worlds. That would make the contradictions mute.

As I said, it can also js be that genshin took place during the Dusk Wars lol.

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Seriously can we just leave this aside until we get more info? We know Genshin is in Honkai’s multiverse but we don’t know it’s status or even truly what the Abyss is and how it relates to the other entities.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Honkai mfs dont even attempt for upgrades anymore, they js look at genshin scalers like this:

 

[Insert_creative_name_here_12]

Honkai scalers dont even attempt for upgrades anymore, they js look at genshin scalers for upscales like this:

Please Genshin I need this. My verse kinda has no scaling

 

[Mbpoops]

It is freaking 8 pages. Delete the verse i say

Would this include genshin and zzz

 

[Mbpoops]

Yes, so does Genshin, which means that the Genshin universe is a real world in the IT. At the base of the Tree IT it's just an analogy used to reflect a universe. yeah from this statement i understand a little that no character is able to reach the imaginary tree level.

1. You need to show proof that genshin’s universe is refering to the real space of the tree

2. Whatever ur talking abt no one reaching the tree has like no meaning here unless ur talking abt genshin mfs

yeah they broke through the imaginary barrier

Just dimensional travel

 

[SuperNova55555]

Btw what CN words are used to refer to genshin’s universe in general

 

[Furina003]

1. You need to show proof that genshin’s universe is refering to the real space of the tree

2. Whatever ur talking abt no one reaching the tree has like no meaning here unless ur talking abt genshin mfs

Just dimensional travel

I don’t need to prove it, because the nature of the True Universe itself reflects IT. In Genshin, there are two universes that oppose each other. This is very similar to the case in Honkai Impact 3rd, which explains that IT and SoQ are constantly trying to overcome one another.

The True Universe is also the place of origin of the dragons before Phanes separated it with the eggshell. Meanwhile, the Dark Universe is the Abyss / Void Realm. These two universes have been in opposition since the beginning. That is why the Abyss was able to invade the True Universe, which led to its destruction, and why elemental power can destroy Abyssal energy.

You yourself mentioned that Otto once saw Dvalin, which implies that the dragons’ planet indeed exists within IT. What I am referring to here is the universe where that planet exists.
IT is only an analogy used to explain a universe. This is even explained in HSR.

The Imaginary Tree is a theory of the universe widely accepted by the modern scientific community.

And each leaf is merely a representation of a civilization.

The worlds are separated from each other just as leaves are separated by air, between which are unknown imaginary domains that are nigh impossible to traverse.

What I mean is that a leaf is simply an expression used to describe a civilization or a world. That is what Teyvat is one of the leaves on the Imaginary Tree (IT). However, the True Universe is not the same as a leaf, because there are countless worlds that exist within the Genshin universe.

Characters like Octavia and Surtalogi have already traveled across other civilizations, which implies that every civilization or world they visited represents a different leaf.
This means that Teyvat and the thousands of civilizations or worlds they visited are already different leaves, which implies that they have crossed the Imaginary Barrier, since the Imaginary Barrier is the boundary between one world and another.

Therefore, the True Universe is not merely a leaf, but rather a cosmological structure far larger than a single leaf.

 

[Furina003]

Btw what CN words are used to refer to genshin’s universe in general

You can see in here

Official Translation Requests Thread (New forum)

Actually, can someone translate this one bump, it's the last scan necessary for the CRT i am making

vsbattles.com

 

[Mbpoops]

I don’t need to prove it, because the nature of the True Universe itself reflects IT. In Genshin, there are two universes that oppose each other. This is very similar to the case in Honkai Impact 3rd, which explains that IT and SoQ are constantly trying to overcome one another.

The True Universe is also the place of origin of the dragons before Phanes separated it with the eggshell. Meanwhile, the Dark Universe is the Abyss / Void Realm. These two universes have been in opposition since the beginning. That is why the Abyss was able to invade the True Universe, which led to its destruction, and why elemental power can destroy Abyssal energy.

i have been told genshin has both a true and false universe. The true universe does sound a lot like the IT vs soq so im fine with that being the real space of the tree (3+1) the false universe is still a leaf world though i just didnt know there was a false universe

You yourself mentioned that Otto once saw Dvalin, which implies that the dragons’ planet indeed exists within IT. What I am referring to here is the universe where that planet exists.
IT is only an analogy used to explain a universe. This is even explained in HSR.

And each leaf is merely a representation of a civilization.

What I mean is that a leaf is simply an expression used to describe a civilization or a world. That is what Teyvat is one of the leaves on the Imaginary Tree (IT). However, the True Universe is not the same as a leaf, because there are countless worlds that exist within the Genshin universe.

Characters like Octavia and Surtalogi have already traveled across other civilizations, which implies that every civilization or world they visited represents a different leaf.
This means that Teyvat and the thousands of civilizations or worlds they visited are already different leaves, which implies that they have crossed the Imaginary Barrier, since the Imaginary Barrier is the boundary between one world and another.

Therefore, the True Universe is not merely a leaf, but rather a cosmological structure far larger than a single leaf.

another reason why 5D real space is dumb lmao

Anyway like i said above fine with true universe being tree real space but the false universe (93 trillion LY) is still a leaf

 

[SuperNova55555]

Bro I cant tell thats a lot of text, cant u js point out the exact characters

 

[Furina003]

i have been told genshin has both a true and false universe. The true universe does sound a lot like the IT vs soq so im fine with that being the real space of the tree (3+1) the false universe is still a leaf world though i just didnt know there was a false universe

another reason why 5D real space is dumb lmao

Anyway like i said above fine with true universe being tree real space but the false universe (93 trillion LY) is still a leaf

I won't say much more, because I've already explained it.
but I just want to say that the fake universe and the true universe are 2 different universes, the true universe is a universe that has existed since the beginning which is contrary to the dark universe. while the false universe is the name for the universe inside the phanes egg shell, because this world is what they separated.
and has fake stars in it because this universe is just a reflection of the true universe.

Skirk explain like this:

在这里，我曾不止一次凝望头顶的星空。虽然是虚假的天幕，却能感受到创造者对宇宙的浪漫幻想。星汉迢迢，光阴漫漫，人类寄希望于用文字与书籍将历史的一角永远保存，而天幕的主人或许也怀着同样的情感，希望宇宙的一瞬定格在此处，化作永恒。
Here, more than once, I gazed at the starry sky above. Although it is a false firmament, one can still feel the creator’s romantic imagination of the universe. The river of stars stretches far, and time flows endlessly. Humanity hopes to preserve a fragment of its history forever through words and books. Perhaps the master of this firmament holds the same sentiment, wishing for a fleeting moment of the universe to be frozen here and turned into eternity.

Yeah, this is my final take. After this, you can interpret the universe however you want.

 

[Mbpoops]

I won't say much more, because I've already explained it.
but I just want to say that the fake universe and the true universe are 2 different universes,

i never said they were the same

the true universe is a universe that has existed since the beginning which is contrary to the dark universe.

basically tree vs sea

while the false universe is the name for the universe inside the phanes egg shell, because this world is what they separated.
and has fake stars in it because this universe is just a reflection of the true universe.

again this would be the leaf world while the true universe would just be the tree's real space

 

[Furina003]

Btw what CN words are used to refer to genshin’s universe in general

Byakuyakoku book:
原初的那一位，或许是法涅斯。它生着羽翼，头戴王冠，从蛋中出生，难以分辨雌雄。但是世界如果要被创造，蛋壳必须被打破。法涅斯——原初的那一位——却用蛋壳隔绝了「宇宙」和「世界的缩影」。
The Primordial One may have been Phanes. It had wings and wore a crown, and it was born from an egg, making it difficult to distinguish whether it was male or female. But if a world is to be created, the eggshell must be broken. Yet Phanes — the Primordial One — used the eggshell to separate the “universe” from the “microcosm of the world.”

The Genshin universe uses the word
「宇宙」yǔzhòu

 

[Le'garde273]

Holy yap, won't read that long ass mbpoops vs furina yap

Just imma say something that
There's like 10+ statements if Genshin universe being infinite so far and 1 statement it's being 93 billions light years, and if you still push the 93 billions years, that also didn't relevant anyways as the voyager itself already travels cosmos more than 100+ billions light years and no where near the entire universe entirely. So the universe genshin reside can't be mere "leaf"

 

[Furina003]

i never said they were the same

basically tree vs sea

again this would be the leaf world while the true universe would just be the tree's real space

I kind of see you combining the two but oh well.

 

[Mbpoops]

Holy yap, won't read that long ass mbpoops vs furina yap

Just imma say something that
There's like 10+ statements if Genshin universe being infinite so far and 1 statement it's being 93 billions light years,

the true universe is infinite but the false universe is 93 billion light years they are different things

and if you still push the 93 billions years, that also didn't relevant anyways as the voyager itself already travels cosmos more than 100+ billions light years and no where near the entire universe entirely. So the universe genshin reside can't be mere "leaf"

only the false universe is a leaf

 

[Le'garde273]

the true universe is infinite but the false universe is 93 billion light years they are different things

only the false universe is a leaf

Tbh, i never heard such as "false universe" Term in genshin other than "false sky" Instead

And tbf I don't push theory and assumptions to here

 

[Mbpoops]

Tbh, i never heard such as "false universe" Term in genshin other than "false sky" Instead

And tbf I don't push theory and assumptions to here

apparently it was in skirk's story or smthn idk muich abt genshin past fonatine tho thats just what ive been told

 

[Le'garde273]

apparently it was in skirk's story or smthn idk muich abt genshin past fonatine tho thats just what ive been told

This statement just refer to teyvat or them will once again or eventually back to the universe once again, since teyvat or them have been inside in the firmament of false sky all this time

And it's not talking about the universe have it's own fake version or etc, beside the universe have it's own shadow or dark version which we call as abyss.

 

[Mbpoops]

This statement just refer to teyvat or them will once again or eventually back to the universe once again, since teyvat or them have been inside in the firmament of false sky all this time

And it's not talking about the universe have it's own fake version or etc, beside the universe have it's own shadow or dark version which we call as abyss.

I see i see