Chaotic Honkai Verse Upgrade (1-A & L1-A)

[Mbpoops]

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hes talking abt ims not the primordial chaos here so there could be an argument for that tho idk how this wouild affect loli yog since she has nothing to do with it

 

[Weaver261]

Is that not what he was saying before you said imaginary space was the imaginary tree?

I think nova was just confused by my terminology usage.

So it’s deeper than SoQ but SoQ is also somehow discontinued from it and doesn’t encompass it… right.

Can it not be possible that this is interpreted in literally any other way that is more coherent? Surelyyyy not.

Let's just say imaginary space is Primordial chaos and everything will fit lol (personally feel like it makes more sense)

 

[Mbpoops]

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[ExcelsisBerny]

Her ontological status can vary honestly it don’t matter, but her AP should cap at Low 1-C. So even 1-A existence but Low 1-C power is possible lmao

I mean, if her power isn't 1-A, then she can't be 1-A in the first place.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I think nova was just confused by my terminology usage.

Let's just say imaginary space is Primordial chaos and everything will fit lol (personally feel like it makes more sense)

That js makes it L1C regardless since Chaos is bound by spacetime

Wasnt there a recent statement in Part 2 about Cocoon being above Spacetime or sum? So it contradicts that.

Like bro. Stop trying to “make it make sense” and js admit cross-timeline scaling shouldn’t be done.

 

[SuperNova55555]

I mean, if her power isn't 1-A, then she can't be 1-A in the first place.

I’m saying her existential status is 1-A. So maybe like she’s a 1-A human but has Low 1-C reach in the lower reality. Not that I’m personally pushing for 1-A tho

 

[Weaver261]

That js makes it L1C regardless since Chaos is bound by spacetime

Using the power of definition, you can create a world that isn't constrained by space time from the concept of chaos and you are saying chaos is bound to space time. You can't be serious

one word may contribute to the rise of a universe from the concept of chaos, and then fixate it, so it never perishes again.

Now, use it to create your world, unconstrained by time and space, eternally independent.

 

[Mbpoops]

why are we trying to make the primordial chaos imaginary space when the general consensus is that the primordial chaos is the soq

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Using the power of definition, you can create a world that isn't constrained by space time from the concept of chaos and you are saying chaos is bound to space time. You can't be serious

You’re ignoring the context when it suits you. The line is referring to how the person using the power is unbounded by space and time, not that the Chaos isn’t bound by space and time.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Using the power of definition, you can create a world that isn't constrained by space time from the concept of chaos and you are saying chaos is bound to space time. You can't be serious

Nono. “Unconstrained” is talking about the person beyond space-time. But what they create is framed within space-time:

Language frames the world, words make the rules, and so space and time are framed beyond this.

The analogy is literally a painter making painting on a canvas. He himself is unrestrained by the canvas (space-time) since he exists outside it but what he paints is restricted to it since he can’t paint outside the canvas so he uses the canvas as the “frame” to create all things. And chaos is js the blank space inside of the canvas being ready to be given definition by the painting

 

[Weaver261]

Nono. “Unconstrained” is talking about the person beyond space-time. But what they create is framed within space-time:

The Chinese text is more explicit

独立的世界

Last two words are "shije" which translate to world. We can check with translation helpers if u want

 

[SuperNova55555]

The Chinese text is more explicit

Last two words are "shije" which translate to world. We can check with translation helpers if u want

Just give me the whole raw bro

 

[Weaver261]

Just give me the whole raw bro

赞美吾主
你好。

恭喜你，抵达了这里。

你想问这里是什么地方？

噢……该怎么说呢，这里是天国，是星海，是仙界，是时空外的居所。

无论叫什么名字都无关紧要，因为在这里，你能获得一切，通过伟大的神力。

那么让我来为你演示神力的运作方式。

既然来到了这里，那么请告诉我，在前面的四篇故事里，无论是世尊，老人，王，演讲者，关于他们最大的共同点，是什么？

泡泡？不，不是，那只是一种表征，是一种象征手法，就像是太阳神坐着黄金马车出巡一样，并不是必须要黄金马车，只不过那是神明喜欢的东西。

——真正最大的共同点，在于语言，以及文字。

语言框定世界，文字制定规则，于是，时空就在这以外被框定。

譬如你，正看着这行文字，也如我，在通过这行文字看着你。

这就是神力的运作方式。人类会变老，肌肤会发灰，但文字之中的世界怎么可能会？这就是神赐的神力，“描述”，或者说“界定”。唯有超越界限，才能规定界限，正因脱离万物，所以能创造万物，于是万物都在手中诞生。

古往今来许多人通过文字来表达观念，将其视作工具，但他们并没有想象过，真正的世界无时无刻不在文字之中诞生，那么仅仅是一个字，都有可能促成一个宇宙从混沌的观念里兴起，然后固定下来，从此再也不会灭亡。

——这，便是神赐予我们的神力本身，可惜绝大多数人都只能懵懂地运用它，甚至忽视它的灵性。

现在，使用它，创造你的世界，不为时空所制约，永恒独立的世界。

顺便，如果有空的话，赞美吾主——尤格索托斯。

 

[SuperNova55555]

赞美吾主
你好。

恭喜你，抵达了这里。

你想问这里是什么地方？

噢……该怎么说呢，这里是天国，是星海，是仙界，是时空外的居所。

无论叫什么名字都无关紧要，因为在这里，你能获得一切，通过伟大的神力。

那么让我来为你演示神力的运作方式。

既然来到了这里，那么请告诉我，在前面的四篇故事里，无论是世尊，老人，王，演讲者，关于他们最大的共同点，是什么？

泡泡？不，不是，那只是一种表征，是一种象征手法，就像是太阳神坐着黄金马车出巡一样，并不是必须要黄金马车，只不过那是神明喜欢的东西。

——真正最大的共同点，在于语言，以及文字。

语言框定世界，文字制定规则，于是，时空就在这以外被框定。

譬如你，正看着这行文字，也如我，在通过这行文字看着你。

这就是神力的运作方式。人类会变老，肌肤会发灰，但文字之中的世界怎么可能会？这就是神赐的神力，“描述”，或者说“界定”。唯有超越界限，才能规定界限，正因脱离万物，所以能创造万物，于是万物都在手中诞生。

古往今来许多人通过文字来表达观念，将其视作工具，但他们并没有想象过，真正的世界无时无刻不在文字之中诞生，那么仅仅是一个字，都有可能促成一个宇宙从混沌的观念里兴起，然后固定下来，从此再也不会灭亡。

——这，便是神赐予我们的神力本身，可惜绝大多数人都只能懵懂地运用它，甚至忽视它的灵性。

现在，使用它，创造你的世界，不为时空所制约，永恒独立的世界。

顺便，如果有空的话，赞美吾主——尤格索托斯。

Yea this is so strange.

I checked the raws for both and the last sentence does say the world is unbound by space-time but then the former sentence says that space-time is explicitly beyond the world.

And they both use 世界 so it’s talking about the same thing

 

[Mbpoops]

why are we trying to make the primordial chaos imaginary space when the general consensus is that the primordial chaos is the soq

^

 

[Weaver261]

space-time is explicitly beyond the world.

You mean this line?

Language frames the world, words make the rules, and so space and time are framed beyond this.

This sentence means space and time are framed beyond the framework made by language and words. So, it's not defining space time inside space time but rather from beyond. That's how I understood it.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Yea this is so strange.

I checked the raws for both and the last sentence does say the world is unbound by space-time but then the former sentence says that space-time is explicitly beyond the world.

And they both use 世界 so it’s talking about the same thing

Well actually speaking the TL is sum like:

Now, use it, create your world, not constrained/restricted by space-time, an eternal independent world.

or

Now, use it, create your world, not bound by space and time, an eternal and independent world.

Since the “not bound by space and time” is separated with commas it can still contextually refer to the user of the power and not the world itself. But eh, its so strange.

 

[SuperNova55555]

You mean this line?

This sentence means space and time are framed beyond the framework made by language and words. So, it's not defining space time inside space time but rather from beyond. That's how I understood it.

Yes because the definers are beyond spacetime. But “definition” seems to only frame things within spacetime. That’s the issue here.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Well actually speaking the TL is sum like:

or

Since the “not bound by space and time” is separated with commas it can still contextually refer to the user of the power and not the world itself. But eh, its so strange.

The world is eternally independent because the scene is clearly using the analogy of a story written in a book. A world contained within words is eternal because it will never grow old and can always be read by everyone.

It makes absolutely no sense for the world itself to not be bound by space and time.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Ye I’m still very much so leaning towards chaos being within spacetime. At least the way it flows when I read it seem to imply that to me more.

 

[korea1234]

Is there anyone who can translate this?
It seems to be a description of the place where Yog-Sothoth resides.

这里是门后的世界，时空都已在此停滞，唯有智慧尚存。

 

[Maniaunavailable]

OP add votes pls :3

 

[Mbpoops]

I just wanna say i dont agree with the primordial chaos being imaginary space or a higher layer of the soq. chaos is most commonly used to describe the nature of the sea of quanta and this is something consistant throughout every game in hoyo, even genshin’s recent explanation of the abyss is like this.

Regarding Su’s space, we have like no information about it aside from it existing above the honkai.

The recent argument im honestly still confused what you’re trying to argue here? Are you trying to say that the imaginary tree doesnt exist and that the entire imaginary tree is just imaginary space? You can call me out for negative tracking here but the argument is confusing to me we have numerous statements and visuals about the imaginary tree being a real thing (in alien space, thus spoke apocolypse, second key manga, etc) sonthe imaginary tree is a real thing. The tree has imaginary spaces and properties but the overall larger part or “medium” of imaginary space exists outside the tree and sea

1A yog is fine imo for reiner reasons but eh idc abt loli slop

 

[Weaver261]

The recent argument im honestly still confused what you’re trying to argue here?

If u are confused, u can just ask me in discord yk? All of this should be basic knowledge for any Honkai verse supporters. I never said imaginary tree doesn't exist. I am only saying that according to the scans, imaginary tree is not a literal tree but just an analogy of how the universe works.

My argument is fairly simple. L1-A downgrade relied on imaginary space being part of the tree and the tree being born through 11D sea. I am trying to prove that the tree doesn't grow through the sea but rather the primordial chaos which exists above the sea. So, L1-A imaginary space isn't bounded by 11D bulk this should get L1-A back
Imaginary space being primordial chaos just my theory and assumption based on their similar traits. I am not using that here.

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

I agree with it all

 

[Mbpoops]

Bump

 

[korea1234]

I’d like to share a photo I stumbled upon.



According to the translation provided by the translation tool, chaos and order are in opposition to each other, and the space where chaos and order oppose each other is described as existing within a chaotic spacetime.

Of course, there’s no guarantee that the translation tool’s Chinese translation is accurate, so I’d need the help of a professional translator… But if the translation tool’s translation is correct, does that mean chaos is interpreted as existing within spacetime?

 

[KirbyFan03]

I’d like to share a photo I stumbled upon.



According to the translation provided by the translation tool, chaos and order are in opposition to each other, and the space where chaos and order oppose each other is described as existing within a chaotic spacetime.

Of course, there’s no guarantee that the translation tool’s Chinese translation is accurate, so I’d need the help of a professional translator… But if the translation tool’s translation is correct, does that mean chaos is interpreted as existing within spacetime?

If it is then it's a yes OR they're in a higher level of space-time

 

[korea1234]

If it is then it's a yes OR they're in a higher level of space-time

If the translation is correct, does that mean Nova is right? As far as I recall, Nova said that chaos exists within space-time.

 

[KirbyFan03]

If the translation is correct, does that mean Nova is right? As far as I recall, Nova said that chaos exists within space-time.

2-C Aeons.

 

[SuperNova55555]

If the translation is correct, does that mean Nova is right? As far as I recall, Nova said that chaos exists within space-time.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Nova is always right

 

[Re5yh]

2-C Aeons.

Low 3-C Yog and Aeons

 

[KirbyFan03]

Low 3-C Yog and Aeons

Nova willing

 

[Weaver261]

According to the translation provided by the translation tool, chaos and order are in opposition to each other, and the space where chaos and order oppose each other is described as existing within a chaotic spacetime.

The text says nothing about primordial chaos void being in space time. There're multiple statements about chatoic or distorted space times in honkai series either caused by honkai or other things. Also chronos description is about her own space time since all godheads (except outer gods) are from different space times. Since honkai stories are told across multiple space times and the text explitcitly said "在这个错乱的时空中" which translates to "In this chaotic spacetime". It's obviously not talking about primordial chaos which is a void of nothingness. Not to even mention that the text is more grounded to reality talking about how hope is just an illusion.

 

[KirbyFan03]

The text says nothing about primordial chaos void being in space time. There're multiple statements about chatoic or distorted space times in honkai series either caused by honkai or other things. Also chronos description is about her own space time since all godheads (except outer gods) are from different space times. Since honkai stories are told across multiple space times and the text explitcitly said "在这个错乱的时空中" which translates to "In this chaotic spacetime". It's obviously not talking about primordial chaos which is a void of nothingness. Not to even mention that the text is more grounded to reality talking about how hope is just an illusion.

Aren't godheads > Aeons?

 

[Mbpoops]

Aren't godheads > Aeons?

presumably yes

 

[KirbyFan03]

presumably yes

. . . 2-C Aeons lesgoooooooo!

 

[Mbpoops]

. . . 2-C Aeons lesgoooooooo!

kiana > aeons???? 1.3 seconds im in!

 

[Mbpoops]

The text says nothing about primordial chaos void being in space time. There're multiple statements about chatoic or distorted space times in honkai series either caused by honkai or other things. Also chronos description is about her own space time since all godheads (except outer gods) are from different space times. Since honkai stories are told across multiple space times and the text explitcitly said "在这个错乱的时空中" which translates to "In this chaotic spacetime". It's obviously not talking about primordial chaos which is a void of nothingness. Not to even mention that the text is more grounded to reality talking about how hope is just an illusion.

so basically they are in their own spacetime