All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Segetero]

Thanks for the scans

 

[Sus]

ok but we agree gotenks is a fraud right

 

[Jx0x0]

He's not. Another headcanon that's necessary for the Super Buu > Kid Buu position when literally not a single source says that absorbing South Kaioshin made Buu stronger and the manga explains that Buu can't get power from the Kaioshin.

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Could never be my goat zamasu

 

[Jx0x0]

Are we reading the same text lmao? It literally says he lost power absorbing the Grand Kaioshin and nothing about absorbing the South Kaioshin affecting his power

 

[Robo432343]

Are we reading the same text lmao? It literally says he lost power absorbing the Grand Kaioshin and nothing about absorbing the South Kaioshin affecting his power

nah sadly the buu thats being referred to is buff buu because he's the one who absorbed grand kaioshin in the first place
i thought it was saying fat buu was weaker than kid buu initially but no

 

[Jx0x0]

nah sadly the buu thats being referred to is buff buu because he's the one who absorbed grand kaioshin in the first place
i thought it was saying fat buu was weaker than kid buu initially but no

He absorbed the South Kaioshin (doesn't state what happened to his power) then absorbed the Grand Kaioshin and he lost power, how do you interpret this to mean Buff Buu > Kid Buu? Whether it refers to Kid Buu or Buff Buu it just means they are stronger than Fat Buu which we know lol it's stated in the manga. Dabura explained that Buu can't use Kaioshin energy, so Buff Buu can at most be equal to Kid Buu or weaker than him but not stronger.

 

[Robo432343]

 

[Infinite9Luck]

idk man
daizenshuu says kid buu is weaker than buff buu

It doesn't say that and why you use Databook? You said yourself they are inconsistent, you should just use the manga + the author, the manga say Kid Buu > Buff Buu > Super Buu.
If you want to use databooks, there are more than 12 sources saying Kid Buu is the strongest.

That's a machine translation, and it is wrong, the japanese never mention "more powerful"

南の界王神を吸収したことで、魔人ブウは強く逞しい姿に変身を遂げた “By absorbing the South Kaioshin, Majin Buu accomplished a transformation into a sturdy and strong form.” Specifically 姿 means “form” or “appearance.” Not strength or power

Also, the website and picture refers to the anime, where it is explicitly stated multiple times Kid Buu is the strongest version multiple times. The anime as source of itself > a website talking about it.

He absorbed the South Kaioshin (doesn't state what happened to his power) then absorbed the Grand Kaioshin and he lost power, how do you interpret this to mean Buff Buu > Kid Buu? Whether it refers to Kid Buu or Buff Buu it just means they are stronger than Fat Buu which we know lol it's stated in the manga. Dabura explained that Buu can't use Kaioshin energy, so Buff Buu can at most be equal to Kid Buu or weaker than him but not stronger.

That's right, Darbura stated that he couldn't use Kibito and Kaioshin energy to resurrect Buu, meaning kaioshin energy can't be used to bring Buu back, which strongly match as well the Kaioshins being overall a minus type of power up for the Majin.

 

[Infinite9Luck]

Because you use databooks all the time, also no, more databook statements say Kid Buu is not the strongest than Kid buu being the strongest

I don't, I just need the manga to prove that point.

The KI is stated to raise, and never go back, the absorptions are stated to weaken him, and the south kaioshin was detached by Buu, hence he couldn't get KI from him.
The Kaioshin and Kibito, even if they are not the Grand Kaio, their KI can't be used to resurrect Buu, but Goku Vegeta Gohan and the other yes, etc.

Your translation basically admits that Buff Buu is a direct power up...

It doesn't say that, read it carefully, it just say it took the appearance and shape of something robust and strong, it does't ever say "more powerful", also in the anime itself, Kid Buu is the strongest by actual dialogues from the anime, hence he is > Buff Buu.

This is literally right after Buff Buu is mentioned, Kibitoshin directly call Kid Buu the strongest Buu.

Again

Stated explicitly by Goku again.

Anime > random website about the anime (which doesn't even contradict it anyway)

 

[TiltedFN]

Bro y'all actually still put Kid Buu below Buuhan for the manga are you serious? Reopen my last thread that's on my profile, it's definitive proof of Kid Buu > Buuhan. For those of you who are on the fence please read my post I promise it's worth it. If any of you want to reuse my post, or edit it into a better version, add links to scans etc. feel free to. This is getting ridiculous lmao. Most forced debate in DB history that won't die because Buuhan fans won't accept the truth. Can some mod or something tell me if I can reopen that thread, or add a new one if I add links? Give me a deadline of a few days and I'll do it, I'll make the final version, if necessary I'll consult mods to make sure it's up to standards.

You aren't going to get a better result on this site than we did so it's pointless to keep arguing. We put every single shred of evidence possible and people still deny it. That's just how it is. Kid Buu>Super Buu is a fine result. You were already told you need to wait months to argue again since we just went over it and did not get Kid Buu>Buuhan.

 

[Vietthai96]

Your translation basically admits that Buff Buu is a direct power up...

No, the text mean that his Buff form looks sturdy and strong, kind of referring to to his appearance, because normally Kid Buu looks weak and slimmy, you knows his elastic body i guess. Of course you can interpreting it as stronger in power but kind of nuance and broad. Similar to how Manga UI Goku when fighting Moro is stated to automatically make his body sturdy in response to attacks which break Moro arm when he tries to sneak attack Goku

 

[Robo432343]

anime wank

ok lets use anime scans then

Vegeta knows that Goku as a SSJ3 should be enough to defeat kid buu. However, Goku says he can’t and it’s all bc SSJ3 drained him due to the fight being dragged out. Also, even though Goku states kid buu is playing around, he is still sure of himself that he can beat him at 100%.

They even go as far to say that’s the only way to beat him since they don’t have fusion to rely on.

As you can see, kid buu being the most powerful is already contradicted since Goku is enough to beat him. Back when Buutenks was around, he claimed he was the strongest Majin born. Meaning, he is admitting that he is stronger than his original form (kid buu) since he remembers and knows how powerful he originally was before absorbing anyone.

Buutenks straight up declares Gohan as the strongest opponent he’s ever faced.

Lets not forget, Buutenks is completely aware of Goku and how strong he is. He even says Goku wouldn’t even be able to damage him.

Goku literally needs fusion to beat Buutenks.

Goku doesn’t even want to fuse. And only does so if he has to. When Buutenks became Buuccolo, Goku doesn’t say he himself can beat Buu, he just says Gohan can.

Once Buuhan is born, the Elder Kai says it’s all over.

Once again, Goku desperately needs someone to fuse with. He was so desperate that he was willing to fuse with Mr Satan.

When Vegeta shows up, Goku uses this as an opportunity to fuse. Buuhan (thinking that potara is equivalent to a dance fusion boost) says even if Goku and Vegeta fused, they wouldn’t be able to defeat him.

Goku makes it pretty clear that potara fusion is the ONLY way to stop Buuhan. (Remember, Goku was willing to fuse with Gohan, Vegeta and even Mr Satan FOREVER in order to stop Buu) Goku even implies Vegeta is at the same level he was before by mentioning how Buu is stronger than he was the last time he (Vegeta) fought him. Note there is no way Vegeta got stronger when he was dead. He didn’t even have a physical body till he got “revived”.

Goku even needs to fuse with Vegeta in order to beat regular super buu

but even with all this, you will still use the hype scans from the anime to argue kid buu is the strongest even tho the anime contradicts it

 

[TiltedFN]

Robo what are you on about

 

[TiltedFN]

No, the text mean that his Buff form looks sturdy and strong, kind of referring to to his appearance, because normally Kid Buu looks weak and slimmy, you knows his elastic body i guess. Of course you can interpreting it as stronger in power but kind of nuance and broad. Similar to how Manga UI Goku when fighting Moro is stated to automatically make his body sturdy in response to attacks which break Moro arm when he tries to sneak attack Goku

It's so obviously referring to his appearance lmao. Some translations say Buff Buu is "the strong Buu" but the actual translations just refer to him as a muscly man or heavily built. What's so silly about this in the first place is that the entire time, Kibito Kai is talking about how Kid Buu is the one who lost power overall, and is in reference to BOTH the Kais. It isn't, "Buff Buu lost power". You'd then have to assert he was talking about Buff Buu which is factually wrong since the context is Kid Buu and how Heart reduced his power. It really is just a reading problem lmao. People only read what they want to.

 

[Huesito88]

Buff Buu is clearly the strongest in terms of overall physique, man

Mr. Olympia winning physique

 

[Robo432343]

there is no way buff buu is losing to kid buu in arm wrestling

 

[StarShooter80]

there is no way buff buu is losing to kid buu in arm wrestling

Just typing up anything

 

[TiltedFN]

Robo I can see through your Rage Bait.

 

[Vietthai96]

It is called Robait

 

[Damage3245]

Topic so contentious that it's going to plague the general discussion thread for years to come...

 

[Jx0x0]

Topic so contentious that it's going to plague the general discussion thread for years to come...

Kid Buu is still listed below fusion forms of Buu. Reopen my thread or give me a deadline when I should post a new one if that one is not up to standard. I wrote it in a few hours.

 

[Damage3245]

Kid Buu is still listed below fusion forms of Buu. Reopen my thread or give me a deadline when I should post a new one if that one is not up to standard. I wrote it in a few hours.

You can revisit the topic in July.

 

[Jx0x0]

You can revisit the topic in July.

That's..... Enough time I guess

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

All this just for Goku to solo

 

[StrymULTRA]

In El Manga Legendario we have a statement of Piccolo getting a x5 multiplier by his fusion with Nail (4:08 if the timestamp doesn't work), do we use that here?

 

[Sus]

In El Manga Legendario we have a statement of Piccolo getting a x5 multiplier by his fusion with Kami (4:08 if the timestamp doesn't work), do we use that here?

we do yeah
mostly because its from the kakarot game too

remind me why is el manga legendario taken so reliably?

 

[StarShooter80]

In El Manga Legendario we have a statement of Piccolo getting a x5 multiplier by his fusion with Nail (4:08 if the timestamp doesn't work), do we use that here?

Yeah

 

[StrymULTRA]

why is el manga legendario taken so reliably?

This.

 

[Segetero]

Based on this scan should supreme Kai’s of time get type 2 acuasality as there only exists one supreme Kai of time regardless of how many histories there are

 

[StrymULTRA]

Based on this scan should supreme Kai’s of time get type 2 acuasality as there only exists one supreme Kai of time regardless of how many histories there are

We do accept that XenoVerse and Heroes are in the same multiverse, and in the former we have both Chronoa and also Demigra as the Kai of Time in another timeline.

 

[Mgebrat282]

Interesting. Did you request any calc group member to view it?

Yeah, several of them

 

[Segetero]

We do accept that XenoVerse and Heroes are in the same multiverse, and in the former we have both Chronoa and also Demigra as the Kai of Time in another timeline.

I’m pretty sure that is due to the meddling of fuu though

 

[Sus]

any multiplier for golden form?

 

[Dagoth_OwO]

Based on this scan should supreme Kai’s of time get type 2 acuasality as there only exists one supreme Kai of time regardless of how many histories there are

No, because there actually are more than one Supreme Kai of Time in other timelines like the XV timeline (UMX and World Mission exist too). It's just referring to the fact that they can't have two Supreme Kais alongside each other occupying that position and overseeing the many histories together, which is why Chronoa and Mechikabura had to actually compete for that title and why both of them couldn't be made a SKOT

 

[StarShooter80]

any multiplier for golden form?

If you think Golden Frieza is a fixed boost then it'd be >Blue's multiplier from his Final Form

He goes from being comparable though weaker to Goku base to base, to being stronger than SSB Goku in his Golden form, only loosing due to the stamina issue

 

[Sus]

If you think Golden Frieza is a fixed boost then it'd be >Blue's multiplier from his Final Form

He goes from being comparable though weaker to Goku base to base, to being stronger than SSB Goku in his Golden form, only loosing due to the stamina issue

in the movie its ~50x since goku used god form in base, no?

but that got retconned ig

 

[StarShooter80]

Can't retcon something that never existed

 

[Sus]

Can't retcon something that never existed

huh?

 

[RoninSlayer200]

in the movie its ~50x since goku used god form in base, no?

but that got retconned ig

If you mean Saiyan Beyond God, that form doesn't exist. Goku was just in base form.