The Slayer hunts down the Radio Demon | Frieren vs Alastor (8 - 7 - 1)

[Anonymous_Learner]

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Val got Low-godly Regen neg (High-mid Regen anti-feat? Might have to downgrade soon [Consistency>Alastor agenda])

 

[Sooshirohl]

What if Frieren just use power null or sealing to deal with the intangibility and regeneration?

do we even know how frieren's sealing works? pretty sure the only instance of it in the series is her sealing qual, but we have no idea how exactly the spell itself worked since it was never directly shown. for all we know it's something that might take time to actually pull off, which i'd imagine is something al wouldn't just stand around and let happen

like previously mentioned though i doubt she'd go for it immediately anyways, since she only seemed to use it as a last resort when her and the rest of the hero's party couldn't beat qual

 

[MrSpockVulcan]

What is Frieren's response to Alastor summoning his tentacles/shadows beneath her as a surprise attack?

 

[DarkLock92]

Would Frieren's mana detection work on Alastor?

 

[VoidGoji]

High Mid isn't and is insanely fast

I mean, she can fire stuff thats as large as his body, and spam it at that. Complete desintegration would make so only Low-Godly brings him back

 

[VoidGoji]

Would Frieren's mana detection work on Alastor?

If equalizing verses, yeah. His stuff is 70% just magic

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I mean, she can fire stuff thats as large as his body, and spam it at that. Complete desintegration would make so only Low-Godly brings him back

He is able to come back from that kind of damage yes

You need to either erase a Sinner from existence, destroy their soul, or kill them with a holy weapon in order to actually kill them permanently

 

[VoidGoji]

He is able to come back from that kind of damage yes

You need to either erase a Sinner from existence, destroy their soul, or kill them with a holy weapon in order to actually kill them permanently

I know, but his Low-Godly isn't instant, thats why I mentioned that such damage could decide this match

 

[DarkLock92]

He is able to come back from that kind of damage yes

You need to either erase a Sinner from existence, destroy their soul, or kill them with a holy weapon in order to actually kill them permanently

Currently his combat applicable Regen is only High-Mid at best.
Frieren can't kill him permanently, but she can incapacitate him by destroying his entire body which would count as a W

 

[DarkLock92]

Bump

 

[Doggo]

Couldn't Alastor summon the tentacles beneath Frieren, or does her force field also protect the ground?

She flies to the sky in character so she can easily see and defend against a tentacle from the ground

 

[Doggo]

So Frieren fights by flying around the air, spamming a crap ton of magical blasts, while dodging attacks with flight or blocking them with barriers. Her magical projectiles can be controlled, meaning even if Alastor dodges them, they will constantly follow him unless they hit something. So he has to constantly avoid them since he lacks the durability to block a single one. She can also teleport, so Alastor wrapping his tentacles around her forcefield won't work.

Also, Zoltarak (her main attack spell) and many of her magic abilities have a crap ton of AOE, which means she can envelop him in a single blast to bypass his regen via vaporization (her AP>his durability, mind you).

 

[DarkLock92]

So Frieren fights by flying around the air, spamming a crap ton of magical blasts, while dodging attacks with flight or blocking them with barriers. Her magical projectiles can be controlled, meaning even if Alastor dodges them, they will constantly follow him unless they hit something. So he has to constantly avoid them since he lacks the durability to block a single one. She can also teleport, so Alastor wrapping his tentacles around her forcefield won't work.

Also, Zoltarak (her main attack spell) and many of her magic abilities have a crap ton of AOE, which means she can envelop him in a single blast to bypass his regen via vaporization (her AP>his durability, mind you).

Can she interact with shadows? Alastor tends to turn into one very often.

 

[Doggo]

Can she interact with shadows? Alastor tends to turn into one very often.

I don't think so. Can he attack while being a shadow? Is the shadow thing weak to light or what?

 

[DarkLock92]

I don't think so. Can he attack while being a shadow? Is the shadow thing weak to light or what?

Yes. He can either send his shadow to attack others, like he did against Adam and Velvette

Or he can turn into a shadow and attack others, like he did against Vox in the finale

Nothing really suggests it's weak to light either, but I don't know if that's a default assumption for shadow based attacks

 

[Doggo]

Yes. He can either send his shadow to attack others, like he did against Adam and Velvette

Or he can turn into a shadow and attack others, like he did against Vox in the finale

Nothing really suggests it's weak to light either, but I don't know if that's a default assumption for shadow based attacks

Uhhh would it being intangible mean it can phase through her barrier or no? Looks deadly

 

[WeeklyBattles]

I don't think so. Can he attack while being a shadow? Is the shadow thing weak to light or what?

He can yes, he did so during the fight with vox

And no its not weak to light

 

[Doggo]

I think this hinges on whether his barrier can just phase through her barrier like that. If not, funni range spam babbyyyy

 

[DarkLock92]

Uhhh would it being intangible mean it can phase through her barrier or no? Looks deadly

Perhaps, plus since Frieren's magic system is heavily based on visualisation and belief, I don't think Frieren's will see herself interacting with shadows so she might just not be able to

 

[Doggo]

Perhaps, plus since Frieren's magic system is heavily based on visualisation and belief, I don't think Frieren's will see herself interacting with shadows so she might just not be able to

Frieren is smart; if she thinks she can't block shadows, then she will just keep dodging via flight and teleportation. She also has InfoAnal to help her figure that out, and ANPR would help her dodge his magic attacks.

Also, from what I've seen, I don't think Alastor has the dodging skills needed to counter Frieren's damaku spam. Stuff like her black hole creation would also be difficult to avoid and would probably just kill him.

Voting the Slayer

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Frieren is smart; if she thinks she can't block shadows, then she will just keep dodging via flight and teleportation. She also has InfoAnal to help her figure that out, and ANPR would help her dodge his magic attacks.

Alastor can both fly and teleport as well, and can forcibly teleport other people

 

[Doggo]

Alastor can both fly and teleport as well, and can forcibly teleport other people

Care to elaborate on the "teleport other people" part?

From the clips I've seen, his shadows come from the ground. Won't he lose his best wincon if he takes the fight to the sky? Correct me if I'm wrong

I think he has no counter to her ANPR. She would just keep predicting his attack patterns, and Freiren's whole thing is exploiting any opening her opponent has and pressuring them with constant attacks. She can try stuff like pretending to miss a Zoltraak, only for it to come back and hit him from behind, or catch him off guard by directly teleporting to his face for a point-blank blast. He will also have to constantly turn intangible, fly, and teleport just to avoid her homing attacks because she is the type to NOT give him room to breathe.

She also has her extra magic, like creating a giant stone golem to distract him or an invisible AOE TK blast that would one-shot him.

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Care to elaborate on the "teleport other people" part?

There are multiple instances of him forcibly teleporting other people to his location with his magic

From the clips I've seen, his shadows come from the ground. Won't he lose his best wincon if he takes the fight to the sky? Correct me if I'm wrong

His shadows come from him, he can extend them from his body as tendrils that can physically grab things despite being made of shadow

I think he has no counter to her ANPR. She would just keep predicting his attack patterns, and Freiren's whole thing is exploiting any opening her opponent has and pressuring them with constant attacks. She can try stuff like pretending to miss a Zoltraak, only for it to come back and hit him from behind, or catch him off guard by directly teleporting to his face for a point-blank blast. He will also have to constantly turn intangible, fly, and teleport just to avoid her homing attacks because she is the type to NOT give him room to breathe.

Considering he was able to avoid a city-spanning laser tracking him while also avoiding being constantly attacked by Shock.wav at the same time...

She also has her extra magic, like creating a giant stone golem to distract him or an invisible AOE TK blast that would one-shot him.

And Alastor in turn has hisown summons, as well as being able to summon Nifty and Husk to assist him at any given time

 

[Doggo]

There are multiple instances of him forcibly teleporting other people to his location with his magic

Can you show me an example? That sounds nasty. Does he also use it during combat?

His shadows come from him, he can extend them from his body as tendrils that can physically grab things despite being made of shadow

Then she has to constantly stay far away from him, which won't be hard unless that teleportation thing is true.

Considering he was able to avoid a city-spanning laser tracking him while also avoiding being constantly attacked by Shock.wav at the same time...

Avoiding a big laser is one thing.....but avoiding 10+ of them that are constantly following you is something else. He not only has to look after Freiren herself, but also multiple projectiles eager to pierce him with a new hole

And Alastor in turn has hisown summons, as well as being able to summon Nifty and Husk to assist him at any given time

I checked their stats....they do nothing. That Golem scales to Frieren, so Alastor has to fight two beings as strong as him.

You also have no counter for the AOE TK blast.

Simply put, not only is Alastor fighting a Kaiju who could one-shot him (and whose body can be repaired or recreated, meaning any damage he can inflict won't last), he has to constantly avoid several lasers following him

 

[Doggo]

One thing I also did not mention is her stealth. Alastor has no way of sensing her, and she can constantly track his location all the time with her enhanced senses. So Alastor has to deal with a Golem and 10+ homing lasers while having to make sure his opponent does not hide and jumpscare him with a funni blast.

 

[OmenISTIRED]

I think Alastors best bet would be to out last her.

Once he realizes she isn't gonna give him a chance to do much of anything he'll just fall back on evasion
utilizing his shadow form more in order to evade, Aswell as summoning his little goblins(And likely Husk & Nifty) to distract her
likely in attempt to get in close. But depending on how much AOE her attacks have his summons likely wont matter but still since he can
seemingly summon the goblins endlessly combining that with him taking pot shots either with his tentacles or his explosions(Or both)
and that would unintentionally on his part begin eating away at her Mana.

So i think this most likely comes down to which gives out first, Alastors stamina(And or success in evasion) or Frierens mana.

The only other way i can think of for this to end from looking both their profiles is if Alastor could intangibility through her barriers, Cause then
he would just bum rush her through all her attacks and defense get past the barrier then explode her point blank. If she survives he would just
keep doing that until she dies.

Overall though im still not sure who would win most often.

 

[DarkLock92]

Can you show me an example? That sounds nasty. Does he also use it during combat?



Then she has to constantly stay far away from him, which won't be hard unless that teleportation thing is true.



Avoiding a big laser is one thing.....but avoiding 10+ of them that are constantly following you is something else. He not only has to look after Freiren herself, but also multiple projectiles eager to pierce him with a new hole

Well Alastor's preferred method of dodging (when serious) is using his shadow pseudo-teleportation .

I checked their stats....they do nothing. That Golem scales to Frieren, so Alastor has to fight two beings as strong as him.

You also have no counter for the AOE TK blast.

Simply put, not only is Alastor fighting a Kaiju who could one-shot him (and whose body can be repaired or recreated, meaning any damage he can inflict won't last), he has to constantly avoid several lasers following him

Alastor still has his massive LS advantage, if he can't destroy the golem, he can definitely restrain it with his tentacles

 

[DarkLock92]

Voting the Slayer

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[Poketmonsrs]

Frieren FRA

 

[DarkLock92]

Frieren FRA

Counted

 

[WeeklyBattles]

Alastor FRA btw

 

[DarkLock92]

Alastor FRA btw

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[Ruby_R_Dracula]

munch munch, args for both?

 

[DarkLock92]

She also has her extra magic, like creating a giant stone golem to distract him

Stuff like her black hole creation

I looked it up and these seem to be anime-only additions (She technically makes smaller golems in the manga, but they don't seem to be used in combat). Is the anime canon for the Frieren verse?

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

Alastor FRA

 

[DarkLock92]

munch munch, args for both?

Frieren:
-She's capable of overwhelming Alastor with a barrage of offensive spells that pierce through his shield, and destroying his body beyond his combat applicable High-Mid regen.
-Her shields, which she has constantly active in combat, have layered magic resistance which neuter a lot of Al's kit.
-She's highly mobile and likes to fly out of range.
-She's much smarter, is great at stealth, has Info Analysis and ESP, which would allow her to analyse Alastor's fighting tactics and magic, track his position and exploit openings. Her feats in this area also indicate that she could determine that Al's staff is the source of his magic and break it, which would leave him drastically weakened.
-She possesses a TK AoE attack which apparently one-shots him (though maybe his regen can help survive this, I'm not sure).

Alastor:
-He has an overwhelming physical advantage, and he only needs to land one good hit to one-shot her or to grab and crush her with his vastly superior LS.
-His ability to become intangible by turning into a shadow, which also functions as pseudo-teleportation, is extremely useful here, as Frieren doesn't seem to have feats indicating that she can interact with those. He can also still attack while a shadow, which may or may not be able to pass through her shields depending on her visualisation, but that's much more debatable.
-He can use his tentacles, which he can summon a lot of, his minions and potentially Husk and Niffty to distract Frieren and maybe leave her open.
-His large stamina could allow him to stall and outlast her mana (though she has an incredible amount)

Y'all let me know if I missed anything or made any mistake

 

[DarkLock92]

Alastor FRA

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[OiEuSouDuvi]

Frieren FRA

I've been following since the beginning, but I haven't commented.

 

[DarkLock92]

Frieren FRA

I've been following since the beginning, but I haven't commented.

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[ShionAH]

Alastor FRA