Genshin hax (sahl propaganda) removal 2

[Frostyyyy12]

Well, it'd be the case where instead Aeons have some form of CM (with them being able to create said Paths and manipulate said Paths albeit I don't know what the alteration/destruction here would be) but functionally they would be AE (Type 2) with like atleast CM2 at the very least cause they created it unlike the Shades which are just representatives (given Space, Time, Life and Death already existed before the Shades) and this is the case where things such as Destruction, Erudition, Remembrance, etc didn't exist yet before their own Aeons created it

I don’t disagree with Conceptual Manipulation. What i disagree is with the idea that the Aeons are abstract. They are the only ones who can use conceptual powers to the maximum (Paths), so obviously they have some sort of CM, but that doesn’t inherently indicate that they are the concept themselves.

Speaking of which, i also disagree with the last part. The moment the future is set in stone, i.e, an aeon will appear in the future, the path will exist due to it being abstract. The casuality thing with Fuli is weird because only THEY act like an Aeon even though they aren’t born (i.e, gazing at people and making Emanators). And yeah, i agree with the comparison you made with them and the shades.

 

[Voidnether]

I don’t disagree with Conceptual Manipulation. What i disagree is with the idea that the Aeons are abstract. They are the only ones who can use conceptual powers to the maximum (Paths), so obviously they have some sort of CM, but that doesn’t inherently indicate that they are the concept themselves.

Speaking of which, i also disagree with the last part. The moment the future is set in stone, i.e, an aeon will appear in the future, the path will exist due to it being abstract. The casuality thing with Fuli is weird because only THEY act like an Aeon even though they aren’t born (i.e, gazing at people and making Emanators). And yeah, i agree with the comparison you made with them and the shades.

Well if you're implying that they wouldn't fit for the possible uses (i.e creation/alteration/destruction) but rather that their Conceptual Manipulation is them being able to manipulate the Paths down to a conceptual level (which again, to negate the HGR of the Aeons that I'm obviously bringing HGR back in a thread; Would be that you must separate the Path from the Aeon lol), I think this works plus Paths should already be established to be Type 2 for obvious reasons instead of Type 3 anyway

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Well if you're implying that they wouldn't fit for the possible uses (i.e creation/alteration/destruction) but rather that their Conceptual Manipulation is them being able to manipulate the Paths down to a conceptual level (which again, to negate the HGR of the Aeons that I'm obviously bringing HGR back in a thread; Would be that you must separate the Path from the Aeon lol), I think this works plus Paths should already be established to be Type 2 for obvious reasons instead of Type 3 anyway

I think the Paths themselves can alter other paths, but there is the notion of Nanook promising to destroy the other paths. Finality should be a different case since it’s the Path itself that the other paths submit to.

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

guys stop derailing this is about genshin not HSR.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

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[Frostyyyy12]

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[Mbpoops]

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[Frostyyyy12]

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[Natsuki012]

agree

 

[Mbpoops]

boop

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Since Istaroth is an abstract being (Concept), her HDE or AE Type 1 should be removed. I agree with the OP.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Since Istaroth is an abstract being (Concept), her HDE or AE Type 1 should be removed. I agree with the OP.

Istaroth is neither.

 

[Mbpoops]

Istaroth is fine shyt tho

 

[Just a Random Butler]

@Mbpoops asked me to ping you, I apologize in advance.

@Reiner04 @Reiner04 @Reiner04 @Reiner04 @Reiner04 @DarkDragonMedeus @Elizhaa @Qawsedf234

 

[Mbpoops]

I did?

 

[Just a Random Butler]

I did?

Jokes. It was not you, it was Woomy.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Can I have a rundown of the current topic at hand?

 

[Reiner04]

@Reiner04 @Reiner04 @Reiner04 @Reiner04

My fellow Reiner04s and I will comment when available.

 

[Mbpoops]

Reiner04 Reiner05 reiner06 reiner07

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

My fellow Reiner04s and I will comment when available.

Does that count as 5 votes from you guys

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Can I have a rundown of the current topic at hand?

Woomy told me to share this with you in regards to what you asked:

Genshin hax (sahl propaganda) removal 2

Higher-Dimensional Existence [4-D] (The Ruler of Time Istaroth is the embodiment of time, encompassing the entire temporal dimension, governing and embodying the entire timeline of the microcosm across past, present and future. This is just Temporal Omnipresence, something she literally has on...

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Genshin hax (sahl propaganda) removal 2

Higher-Dimensional Existence [4-D] (The Ruler of Time Istaroth is the embodiment of time, encompassing the entire temporal dimension, governing and embodying the entire timeline of the microcosm across past, present and future. This is just Temporal Omnipresence, something she literally has on...

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Genshin hax (sahl propaganda) removal 2

Example: 2B from nier. Robots should just be default longevity ngl type 6 or 8 immortality could work tho if they have seperate bodies they can swap to

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[Frostyyyy12]

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[Frostyyyy12]

My Woomy kinda homeless

Bump.

 

[AyOgUyS]

OP's arguments make sense to me, I agree for now

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Bump.

Also, 3 days left.

 

[LordGriffin1000]

Only gonna comment on what i can, honestly this should be done ability by ability given some of these are high grade abilities and discussing all of them at the same time results in a needlessly long discussion about "conceptual this, abstract that."

Anyway, that description of HDE alone really wouldn't do much without more (the fact that one of the scans yeets you to the Genshi Impact Wiki as the source is wild imo). If they got showings of having a connection to the timeline like their very existence being tied to it and vice versa (I'm talking about if they get nuked the timeline gets nuked by extension or something like that then sure). But governing the timeline and embodiment of time without context is just words (Id know, I had to do flips to prove HDE for basically the same thing)

Plot Manipulation kind fits if they actually decide how the narrative works, Fate hax can dictate this to but when they define it as "storytelling" it would lean towards plot manipulation. Are they other showing of them outright controlling the narrative, like they write something and then it happened? If so, I could see that staying.

Immortally should be changed to longevity. Saw in a comment that they said the character was a robot or ai. Those things still age and "die" in the sense of rusting, falling apart, losing power and so on. So they'd need statements that they could function indefinitely to get Immortality Type 1. If no evidence, I agree with that change.

Im not touching that Non-existent nonsense, sorry.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Plot Manipulation kind fits if they actually decide how the narrative works, Fate hax can dictate this to but when they define it as "storytelling" it would lean towards plot manipulation.

They never once described it as the narrative itself:

Venti: Long, long ago, "Time" began to write the story of this world.

She was given plot manipulation instead of fate hax because apparently, people would rather give someone a hax that they know they don’t have if they touched more than one second of the media in question, than actually understand that something is metaphoric. Istaroth is not writing the narrative. The Heavenly Principles merely govern the Fate of Tevyat and everyone in it, hence why it’s described as their “story”. There is a very massive difference between plot hax, and what the Heavenly Principles plus the Shades have been consistently said to do.

Matter of fact, this statement doesn’t even exist in the CN lmao. This is what Venti actually says:

很久很久以前，「時間」開始記錄這個世界。
“Long, long ago, ‘Time’ began to record this world.”

記錄 - record/document.

It has been shown numerous times that things have gone out of Istaroth’s favoured path. If she was actually controlling the narrative, these things do not make sense at all. This is literally how that “storytelling” (notice the quoting?) is described:

After all, "fate" is merely the manner in which the present ruler of this world plays with living beings.

The fact that you can literally fool fate in and of itself proves that this isn’t Plot Manipulation.

 

[AsterReal]

Plot Manipulation kind fits if they actually decide how the narrative works, Fate hax can dictate this to but when they define it as "storytelling" it would lean towards plot manipulation. Are they other showing of them outright controlling the narrative, like they write something and then it happened? If so, I could see that staying.

Plot Manipulation stems from the fact that the Heavenly Principles bestowed upon the world a magic called "Storytelling," which determined how people met, connected, and understood one another. Every person has a story, and its ending was written by the heavens long ago. The story of the evil dragon Durin was written and is part of Teyvat. But the attempt to create a parallel story about Mini-Durin caused the narrative magic to reject it, because a story about Durin already existed. So Teyvat began to reject that story and overwrite it with that of the Evil Durin.

 

[Furina003]

Plot Manipulation kind fits if they actually decide how the narrative works, Fate hax can dictate this to but when they define it as "storytelling" it would lean towards plot manipulation. Are they other showing of them outright controlling the narrative, like they write something and then it happened? If so, I could see that staying.

I've actually explained it extensively here.
Post in thread 'Genshin hax (sahl propaganda) removal 2' https://vsbattles.com/threads/genshin-hax-sahl-propaganda-removal-2.188117/post-7557736

But for additional context, storytelling magic is magic granted by the sky god, and it's used to write stories.


Even in the Durin trailer, we're shown how Anya writes all the events in the trailer.


Moreover, the NEP must also be maintained, because the abyss is clearly called a emptyness. op's rebuttal is simply based on disbelief without providing additional context. You can read more clearly about nep in this CRT

NEP 1 Aspect 1- 4 Abyss (Genshin Impact)

The Abyss, or Abyssal energy, originates from the Void Realm, a realm beyond the boundaries of the universe. In essence, the Abyss is not a living being, but rather a form of pure Chaos and emptiness that has no soul, logic, or physical form. The Abyss is also described as monster of void and...

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[Frostyyyy12]

Plot Manipulation kind fits if they actually decide how the narrative works, Fate hax can dictate this to but when they define it as "storytelling" it would lean towards plot manipulation. Are they other showing of them outright controlling the narrative, like they write something and then it happened? If so, I could see that staying.

Also, woomy already addressed this. You should take a look at this response and the one before that from him.

 

[Frostyyyy12]

Bump.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

so.. what are the current staff votes i only know Vietthai agrees with everything but what about the rest?

 

[Vietthai96]

LordGriffin is unsure about Plot hax, he is not comment on NEP. He didn't comment on CM part of the OP, he seems to agree with HDE, Immortality removal and Longevity thing

 

[MSahla]

Basically what Furina's says before. The Plot hax coming from the Storytelling magic where every living beings has its own story and their endings have long been written.

Spoiler

I think these two videos are the blantant scans for that Storytelling magic where you could see in the first video, in the world of Simulanka where every characters who enter that world become a characters in a story and what they doing is already written by Anya (Goddess of Fate). And in the second video, you could see Anya M Andersdotter herself wrote Durin's story with her pen.

Cimest: So basically, everything we've been through... is a story written by the Goddess of Fate.

Faurobert: Alright... Now we've really become characters in a story. But seeing as that Goddess wrote us in, why didn't she give us an ending?

Faurobert: First those poor souls in the cave, and now us. sigh We've all been through so much...

Cimest: So that must mean it was also the Goddess of Fate who came up with that line: "Stories follow rules, unfolding in cyclical patterns, but each should follow its own course."

But here's my comment before, i was not talking about the plot manip yet (cause i got nuked from this wiki)

But yeah, the staffs can decide it, i will not comment any further.

 

[MSahla]

Oh yeah, the staffs can actually ignore the CM cause they already got nuked from another crt. So yeah, they already gone.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

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[Natsuki012]

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