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Massive TDOS Scaling Changes + Moving Verse To Alts (3/3 Staff & 5 Non-Staff Votes So Far, Currently Working Out Scaling Kinks)

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Ive been on a journey recently to powerscale object shows that hit the requirement for alts content (mainly because It's hard as hell to get calcs approved over here). When looking at TDOS, it appeared to be worthy of alts material, but I was flabbergasted at the fact that it was on VSBW due to a lot of the copyrighted stuff. For that reason, I would like to move The Daily Object Show over to alt battles and change some of the scaling based off of the re-watch of the season & bonus scaling I did.

Scaling changes:
  • Currently TDOS scales to 4-A based off of this pocket dimension with starry sky creation feat from Computer. However, Computer doesnt even say that it was he who made the buildings, just implied, and Computer's beams harnessing enough energy to create them is so far of a stretch to the point of unuseability. Evil Blood Bag's mindscape warping feat can give him 4-A values with reality warping as well, but it isn't something that the cast physically scales to. Blood Bag destroying the evil cloning machine power source also doesnt give 4-A reasoning, as the cloning machine power source should be weaker than the feats it performs due to how easily both the original cloning machine and cloning machine power source was tampered with/destroyed. Thus, this would lead to an overall cast downgrade from 4-A values to High 5-A values physically based off of the "normal pill spins the earth" feat.
  • ^ On that note, it may be better for a bigger downgrade. The High 5-A calc is the only one within tier 5, with the nearest being a High 6-C calc, so it could easily be counted as an outlier (Plus, while this is the only instance of the earth spinning within a full earth shot, it didnt look to be directly caused by Normal Pill). Thus a downgrade would put the cast at "At least High 7-C, possibly Low 7-B (Currently the highest tier calc I have not in tier 6 for TDOS, may be subject to change), likely High 6-C" values, due to members of the cast tanking attacks from Water Bottle's water manipulation, albeit with weaker waves and balls of water rather than the giant force Water Bottle summoned during the island rising calc.
  • The cast having immesurable speed is also likely incorrect. In their fight, a super object Computer and Evil Computer Supreme went through several portals, those of which he created earlier using Tablet Pen. That's how they managed to go backwards in time. Object/Super Object cross-scaling still works, but immesurable speed is likely wrong. Thus a downgrade to or Massively FTL scaling off of the 2 feats performed by Water Bottle & Evil Blood Bag/Evil Computer respectively :000
  • A lot of the characters in the verse page scale between Class M & Class P LS. Class M is fine, as pretty much all object show casts scale to each other and hosts scaling to the cast in terms of LS are no exception. However, Class T is a stretch. It's based off of a Super Object Evil Computer scaling to Water's hydrokinetic LS, but as of the current end of show there's no one that's been shown capable of grappling with or showing similar LS to the hydrokinesis (not even super objects). For that reason, a possibly Class T value would be more fitting. Class P is even more of the stretch to a point of unuseability though, as it's based off of a 32x multiplier with no link or scan. There are a few LS upgrades that can be put in place via new calcs I've done too, I've already got the super objects a Class M LS value that's like 10x higher than the usual one.
  • Just being robotic isn't proof of infinite stamina. While there haven't been any signs of stamina drain from any contestants up to the point I've watched, it could very well just be absurd superhuman stamina (this is actually a thing consistent with many of PsychoMaster's robotic character stamina scans, including the BFDI ones...is it true that robots have infinite stamina? Am I just high?)
For bonus scaling changes:
- Minor one here. In his real-world key, Computer is given telekinesis based off of this flash of light attempting to pull toast closer. However, this was more likely a sealing attempt, as this light appears right before most contestants get sealed. Given, they're mostly dragged closer to computer by computer to do this, but that just means that someone has to be close to computer to be sealed, not that computer has to pull a contestant close before getting sealed.

Havent gotten through all of them yet, but there's actually quite a bit of other series that FusionAnimates made that has TDOS contestants (That of which has been confirmed to be in TDOS' same verse in the description of Army Objects pt 3 & the Tiny Tacos pilot. A few of these will be listed in the "proof of copyrighted content" section :0000)

Proof of copyrighted content (major & minor instances):
 
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Overall all over your points seem pretty solid. Most of the higher-end feats do have context behind them, and the use of legitimate copyrighted characters with no alteration sort of pushes this into non-original territory. So you can count me as agreeing with the CRT.

The only thing I don't entirely stand by is the MFTL+ speed scaling and the AP. Has it the AP been settled yet? Additionally throwing an object at FTL speeds only scales to speed if someone was shown to dodge said object or the person showcases other movement related to that speed afaik.
 
Well I commented during a weekend

Overall all over your points seem pretty solid. Most of the higher-end feats do have context behind them, and the use of legitimate copyrighted characters with no alteration sort of pushes this into non-original territory. So you can count me as agreeing with the CRT.
YAYYAYYAYAYAY


The only thing I don't entirely stand by is the MFTL+ speed scaling and the AP. Has it the AP been settled yet? Additionally throwing an object at FTL speeds only scales to speed if someone was shown to dodge said object or the person showcases other movement related to that speed afaik.
Im just finishing up getting the stats & stuff approved actually!

Yeah the massively FTL+ speeds were a bust, the actual value for that feat turned out to be Hypersonic+ speeds. Right now the cast scales to Class M, possibly Class T LS (the latter for super objects only), Massively FTL speeds scaling off of water bottle throwing the really good smelling lotion into the sun (+ evil blood bag & evil computer performing a similar feat) and at least High 7-C, likely High 6-C values scaling off of the Tiny Tacos flying over the great wall of china and Water Bottle raising dream island :3
 
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YAYYAYYAYAYAY



Im just finishing up getting the stats & stuff approved actually!

Yeah the massively FTL+ speeds were a bust, the actual value for that feat turned out to be Hypersonic+ speeds. Right now the cast scales to Class M, possibly Class T LS (the latter for super objects only), Massively FTL speeds scaling off of water bottle throwing the really good smelling lotion into the sun (+ evil blood bag & evil computer performing a similar feat) and at least High 7-C, likely High 6-C values scaling off of the Tiny Tacos flying over the great wall of china and Water Bottle raising dream island :3
Might be a good idea to update the OP with the new values btw
 
Sorry for the wait, I was busy handling some personal things I needed to take care of.
I dropped a message on your message wall the first time I attempted this but didn't get a response. I didn't think to post the updated thread (this one) there because of the lack of response :0
If this was supposed to be on my wiki message wall, then I never really look there. You should've asked me on my forum message wall.
Proof of copyrighted content (major & minor instances):
Honestly, I don't really object to this. If Hal's whole existence is what the main problem is here (As much as the rest of these instances are small stuff), then go ahead and put it on Alt Battles.
Currently TDOS scales to 4-A based off of this pocket dimension with starry sky creation feat from Computer. However, Computer doesnt even say that it was he who made the buildings, just implied, and Computer's beams harnessing enough energy to create them is so far of a stretch to the point of unuseability. Evil Blood Bag's mindscape warping feat can give him 4-A values with reality warping as well, but it isn't something that the cast physically scales to. Blood Bag destroying the evil cloning machine power source also doesnt give 4-A reasoning, as the cloning machine power source should be weaker than the feats it performs due to how easily both the original cloning machine and cloning machine power source was tampered with/destroyed. Thus, this would lead to an overall cast downgrade from 4-A values to High 5-A values physically based off of the "normal pill spins the earth" feat.
Given how only Computer has been shown to host all of these seasons, it has to be reasonable that he was the one who recreated everything inside of the building including those location replicas, especially since recreating Bomb's mindscape would be something only he knows due to being there to know what it looks like. Even if you argue these somehow being overtime, the main point is Evil Blood Bag destroying the power source to the Evil Cloning Machine which is equal to him, which caused Bomb's mindscape to revert back to normal with its destruction as if this was the very power source was stabilizing the mindscape's appearance. In short, I disagree with 4-A being removed.
^ On that note, it may be better for a bigger downgrade. The High 5-A calc is the only one within tier 5, with the nearest being a High 6-C calc, so it could easily be counted as an outlier (Plus, while this is the only instance of the earth spinning within a full earth shot, it didnt look to be directly caused by Normal Pill). Thus a downgrade would put the cast at "At least High 7-C, possibly Low 7-B (Currently the highest tier calc I have not in tier 6 for TDOS, may be subject to change), likely High 6-C" values, due to members of the cast tanking attacks from Water Bottle's water manipulation, albeit with weaker waves and balls of water rather than the giant force Water Bottle summoned during the island rising calc.
Read above for why the consistency isn't affected due to these feats still being valid. Even then, the fact that there are hardly any anti-feats in the series shows that they can still scale to these feats.
The cast having immesurable speed is also likely incorrect. In their fight, a super object Computer and Evil Computer Supreme went through several portals, those of which he created earlier using Tablet Pen. That's how they managed to go backwards in time. Object/Super Object cross-scaling still works, but immesurable speed is likely wrong. Thus a downgrade to or Massively FTL scaling off of the 2 feats performed by Water Bottle & Evil Blood Bag/Evil Computer respectively :000
Yes, these portals lead to different dimensions, but what it has never shown was the ability to create portals through time. The fact that the time period Computer and Evil Computer have travelled to happened to be the same timeline at a different time period, as well as the fact that the portals they enter and leave through only show up briefly before disappearing as opposed to Tablet Pen's portals usually staying much longer (Not to mention how the portal they leave through after crashing near Cobalt Mountain is never previously seen from previous shots), means that the only way they could've truly ended up there was the result of them going fast enough to travel back in time.
A lot of the characters in the verse page scale between Class M & Class P LS. Class M is fine, as pretty much all object show casts scale to each other and hosts scaling to the cast in terms of LS are no exception. However, Class T is a stretch. It's based off of a Super Object Evil Computer scaling to Water's hydrokinetic LS, but as of the current end of show there's no one that's been shown capable of grappling with or showing similar LS to the hydrokinesis (not even super objects). For that reason, a possibly Class T value would be more fitting. Class P is even more of the stretch to a point of unuseability though, as it's based off of a 32x multiplier with no link or scan. There are a few LS upgrades that can be put in place via new calcs I've done too, I've already got the super objects a Class M LS value that's like 10x higher than the usual one.
The reason why the Super Objects scale to the Class T-P rating is due to how Super Objects are narratively above regular objects in power, which meant that they likely upscale from Water Bottle's island raising feat even if that was only done with a specific ability of hers.
Just being robotic isn't proof of infinite stamina. While there haven't been any signs of stamina drain from any contestants up to the point I've watched, it could very well just be absurd superhuman stamina (this is actually a thing consistent with many of PsychoMaster's robotic character stamina scans, including the BFDI ones...is it true that robots have infinite stamina? Am I just high?)
Hey, other robot profiles give Infinite stamina to them.

Side note, can you stop with the emoticon faces? It makes me start to question if you're some underage user or just being annoyingly childish.
 
Sorry for the wait, I was busy handling some personal things I needed to take care of.
That's alright!

Given how only Computer has been shown to host all of these seasons, it has to be reasonable that he was the one who recreated everything inside of the building including those location replicas, especially since recreating Bomb's mindscape would be something only he knows due to being there to know what it looks like.
Alright that's fair

Even if you argue these somehow being overtime, the main point is Evil Blood Bag destroying the power source to the Evil Cloning Machine which is equal to him, which caused Bomb's mindscape to revert back to normal with its destruction as if this was the very power source was stabilizing the mindscape's appearance. In short, I disagree with 4-A being removed.
Is this the only thing that scales the cast to 4-A values, or is there more? If there isn't, it could very well just be written off as an outlier or an incorrect statement :0

Will use an allegory for why destroying the power source shouldn't count:
Uranium-235 is what powered a lot of WWII nukes. It's used in a specific way to get the destructive power of said nuke (nuclear fission). Just destroying the power source doesn't work to support getting the value of the nuke explosion as AP, it's harnessed in order to get the bomb's explosive power. The power source is far weaker than the thing it's used for unless proven otherwise

Yes, these portals lead to different dimensions, but what it has never shown was the ability to create portals through time. The fact that the time period Computer and Evil Computer have travelled to happened to be the same timeline at a different time period, as well as the fact that the portals they enter and leave through only show up briefly before disappearing as opposed to Tablet Pen's portals usually staying much longer (Not to mention how the portal they leave through after crashing near Cobalt Mountain is never previously seen from previous shots), means that the only way they could've truly ended up there was the result of them going fast enough to travel back in time.
I dont have any more oppositions for this, this should work (y)

The reason why the Super Objects scale to the Class T-P rating is due to how Super Objects are narratively above regular objects in power, which meant that they likely upscale from Water Bottle's island raising feat even if that was only done with a specific ability of hers.
They still haven't shown capable of grappling with Water Bottle's hydrokinesis at all. Keeping the Class T value at a possible value for super objects should work given that explanation, but I don't see why anything more should, especially the Class P LS. Where did you get the 32x multiplier for the Class T value from?

Side note, can you stop with the emoticon faces? It makes me start to question if you're some underage user or just being annoyingly childish.
I use emoticons and words at the end of sentences to better express intention in wording, as the sentences I write online have been (and can usually be) misinterpreted. You can more tell what I mean by displaying certain emoticons and italicizing different words (e.g ":0" for confusion or making a point, ":u" for a separate version of that, ":>" for happy, ":/" for a bit peeved, etc). I apologize if it comes off as annoying though
 
Hey, other robot profiles give Infinite stamina to them.

Side note, can you stop with the emoticon faces? It makes me start to question if you're some underage user or just being annoyingly childish.

This isn't an answer.
Robots have physical limits, just like most other characters.

Side note, you don't have to be rude about it.

They still haven't shown capable of grappling with Water Bottle's hydrokinesis at all. Keeping the Class T value at a possible value for super objects should work given that explanation, but I don't see why anything more should, especially the Class P LS. Where did you get the 32x multiplier for the Class T value from?

The 32x multiplier currently comes from Evil Computer Supreme killing 32 other characters and absorbing their power.

I use emoticons and words at the end of sentences to better express intention in wording, as the sentences I write online have been (and can usually be) misinterpreted. You can more tell what I mean by displaying certain emoticons and italicizing different words (e.g ":0" for confusion or making a point, ":u" for a separate version of that, ":>" for happy, ":/" for a bit peeved, etc). I apologize if it comes off as annoying though

Pats you. Masked has found that there is no easy way to avoid being misinterpreted.
 
Is this the only thing that scales the cast to 4-A values, or is there more? If there isn't, it could very well just be written off as an outlier or an incorrect statement :0

Will use an allegory for why destroying the power source shouldn't count:
Uranium-235 is what powered a lot of WWII nukes. It's used in a specific way to get the destructive power of said nuke (nuclear fission). Just destroying the power source doesn't work to support getting the value of the nuke explosion as AP, it's harnessed in order to get the bomb's explosive power. The power source is far weaker than the thing it's used for unless proven otherwise
The thing is, though, is that Evil Blood Bag stated how the power source is equal to him in power, meaning that he would in fact physically scale to it due to how the very power source sustained the mindscape. It's also not really an outlier because of Computer's feats and Cringe Pill's Earth rotation as mentioned earlier, especially given how I've said that there are hardly any anti-feats in the series that would warrant them being inconsistent.
They still haven't shown capable of grappling with Water Bottle's hydrokinesis at all. Keeping the Class T value at a possible value for super objects should work given that explanation, but I don't see why anything more should, especially the Class P LS. Where did you get the 32x multiplier for the Class T value from?
It's from Evil Computer Supreme's multiplier.
 
The 32x multiplier currently comes from Evil Computer Supreme killing 32 other characters and absorbing their power.
Was this from him absorbing the base objects power in Evil Never Dies, or was this absorbing the powers or Airplane, Cobalt Blue, Cigar & Skully? (Apologies, I havent watched all of the seasons since I put up this thread)

I dont think that absorbing other characters should give specifically an LS modifier. At best it could be "Likely Far Higher" status on all stats :0

The thing is, though, is that Evil Blood Bag stated how the power source is equal to him in power, meaning that he would in fact physically scale to it due to how the very power source sustained the mindscape. It's also not really an outlier because of Computer's feats and Cringe Pill's Earth rotation as mentioned earlier, especially given how I've said that there are hardly any anti-feats in the series that would warrant them being inconsistent.
If Evil Blood Bomb saying that he's as strong as the evil cloning machine power source is the only supporting thing of the cast being 4-A, then it could very much just put the cast at "possibly 4-A" values given the statement. If it isnt the only thing and theres a few other supporting things, then a 4-A cast could work :u

My main problem is that there isnt any close supporting things. While there arent anti-feats, theres very little supporting feats for Evil Blood Bomb being right besides that statement (unless there's more, like I mentioned above). The gap between High 5-A and 4-A is still a stupidly high amount, the gap between just each end of 4-B alone is over 800Bx, the 2 cannot easily be compared. And the only closer feat is High 6-C, comparing that to 4-A values is even harder than comparing a High 5-A feat.

As for the cringe pill feat...something I noticed when doing all of the bonus TDOS calcs I did was the fact that nearly all of the strongest feats come from these kinds of "transition scenes". Half of the 4 highest tier feats I have on the WIP verse page are this way. This wouldnt mean anything usually, but in the case of Cringe Pill this does, as the earth suddenly starts/stops rotating as the shot plays, there's no aftermath (unlike in an instance like where Clock spins the earth in "It's Time For The", as there's a ton of effects of said feat happening). If the earth stopped spinning IRL, it would cause a ton of immediate changes.
 
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